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Weezy
join:2000-09-13
Belen, NM
1 edit | Awaiting the French version of ChexSystems for ISP's. Chexsystems, for those of you unfamiliar with it, is similar to the big 3 credit reporting agencies.
What I'm waiting for is some sort of national database that France will use to keep track of these "three strikes pirates" .
You rack up "three strikes" with one ISP, your name goes into the database, and when you apply for service with another ISP, they in turn check the database to see if you're on the naughty list.
Any bets how long it takes for someone in this country to jump on the bandwagon?
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|  | Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Re: Awaiting the French version of ChexSystems for ISP's. Lol.... man I can just envision spammers drooling at the mouth over this one. I don't think the French government realizes just what can of worms they are about to open.
I can see it now, spammers targeting specific IPs with all sorts of laden emails telling people what they need do. | |
| | | jc100
join:2002-04-10
2 edits | Re: Awaiting the French version of ChexSystems for ISP's. Well lucky the idiot in this country doesn't have much longer (U.S.) but hell we could get worse, who knows. That said, a national DB is a hackers, identity theft, etc wet dream. Hell, look at how many laptops, HDDS, and systems have been lost or compromised in the U.S. alone. This data allows for someone to rip off that person's identity, steal their credit, or spend away on their accounts. Whomever advocates for any national system needs to be wacked across the head so common sense can enter. Sadly, people are all too willing to give up freedoms these days with grand promises that never pan out or originate from fear alone. In this case, to pander to the lobbyists whose agendas are a bit off mark. | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·AT&T Midwest
 ·Site5.com
 ·Comcast
| Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... Why worry about it? After all, the RIAA, MPAA, and various software makers only put out crap anyway. The music these days suck horribly, everything coming out on DVD blows hard, and the software isn't worth paying for. Pirates aren't downloading things like this that suck anyway, right? I mean, if it sucks that bad, why spend your time downloading it?
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| | SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... said by Nightfall  :Why worry about it? After all, the RIAA, MPAA, and various software makers only put out crap anyway. The music these days suck horribly, everything coming out on DVD blows hard, and the software isn't worth paying for. Pirates aren't downloading things like this that suck anyway, right? I mean, if it sucks that bad, why spend your time downloading it? Don't be so intellectually dishonest - that's not the sole reason people download. DRM accounts for the downloading cited by folk who would normally purchase content but the DRM restrictions. | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... thats no longer a issue with amazon's mp3's | |
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... said by jgkolt :thats no longer a issue with amazon's mp3's It is as along as Amazon's collection is as limited as it is currently. | |
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someone2
@pacbell.net
| More for a lack of choices of unrestricted, quality, content.
If these "pirates" who downloaded Mp3s actually had drm-free choices back several years ago when P2P "took off" in the late 90s, then there may not be so many "pirates" today.
I believe some people pirate just to download the individual music they want and to transfer it to their own portable devices without restrictions. | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·AT&T Midwest
·Site5.com
·Comcast
| Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... said by someone2 :
More for a lack of choices of unrestricted, quality, content.
If these "pirates" who downloaded Mp3s actually had drm-free choices back several years ago when P2P "took off" in the late 90s, then there may not be so many "pirates" today.
I believe some people pirate just to download the individual music they want and to transfer it to their own portable devices without restrictions.
DRM is a killer thats for sure. However, I believe some people pirate just so they don't have to pay for something they want. I know a lot of people who fall into this category. A lot more than the people who hate DRM, but I am sure that varies from person to person. | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... music is basically good marketing material. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... We can also blame record companies for giving artists a deadline which is usually the fault of most music out on big labels these days. | |
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conk10k
@charter.com
| Reason people download is because its a lot faster and easier and cheaper to just go to a p2p client then download what they want and listen to it like 10-30 seconds later. Why drive all the way to the mall for just one song you like that they don't have on amazon that is only 128kbps. They had a chance way back with napster to convert people to buyers but they missed the train. Only thing i see working is having ads in the songs to pay for the artists or like 15-25 cents a song. 99cents to me is still a lot of money once you add it up. I'm sure a lot more people would like it that cheap. You can posepone the advancement of technology like p2p but sooner or later it will be mainstream. Its inevitable, some middle men will just have to die before it happens like the riaa and mpaa. | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·AT&T Midwest
·Site5.com
·Comcast
| said by SilverSurfer :said by Nightfall :Why worry about it? After all, the RIAA, MPAA, and various software makers only put out crap anyway. The music these days suck horribly, everything coming out on DVD blows hard, and the software isn't worth paying for. Pirates aren't downloading things like this that suck anyway, right? I mean, if it sucks that bad, why spend your time downloading it? Don't be so intellectually dishonest - that's not the sole reason people download. DRM accounts for the downloading cited by folk who would normally purchase content but the DRM restrictions. Don't be so naive. DRM doesn't account for people who are just too cheap to pay for the product. | |
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: Well, with all the crap that is being produced.... said by Nightfall :Don't be so naive. DRM doesn't account for people who are just too cheap to pay for the product. I never said it did. What I did say was that you failed to notice that just as many download for DRM restrictions as do for the cheapness factor. I know far more many downloaders who would pay for the content but for DRM, and, in many instances, availability. Case in point: How many band's material is out of print? Not like you can head over to Amazon.com's newly DRM free content to download Question Mark & the Mysterians or any other for-pay content site, for that matter. But if you hop on Limewire et al. you can find out-of-print bands quite easily.
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44402812
Hack The Planet
Premium
join:2006-08-28
Plattsburgh, NY
| said by Nightfall :said by SilverSurfer :said by Nightfall :Why worry about it? After all, the RIAA, MPAA, and various software makers only put out crap anyway. The music these days suck horribly, everything coming out on DVD blows hard, and the software isn't worth paying for. Pirates aren't downloading things like this that suck anyway, right? I mean, if it sucks that bad, why spend your time downloading it? Don't be so intellectually dishonest - that's not the sole reason people download. DRM accounts for the downloading cited by folk who would normally purchase content but the DRM restrictions. Don't be so naive. DRM doesn't account for people who are just too cheap to pay for the product. Not trying to sound like a D@#k but why do you care so much about pirates? Theft happens in every industry... Nothing new...move on  | |
| Surfinusa
Premium
join:2001-02-08
|  Sounds nicer than taking people to court
But for all those who download knowning its illegal, that sounds like a break for them.
As oposed to what they are doing in the US taking people to court or pay us off and we will forget what you did for now but reserve the right for the artists to still sue you if they want. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Is there any "due process"? Yes I know this is an American phrase (from the U.S. Constitution), but the concept is universal. Is it purely based on the say-so of this agency, or is some proof or evidence required?
According to previous articles the organization that will monitor internet traffic and identify people has some connection with the copyright cartel - clearly a conflict of interest. If there is no standard of evidence, no independent review, then this is an invitation to abuse. | |
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NoRebatesPlease
@xo.net
| No sense... This makes no sense.
Piracy and torrents generate traffic. ISPs get their rates based on traffic. Without illegal traffic, spam, junkmail, etc, ISPs would lose current rates, increasing costs to others.
Either something else (video, gaming, streaming...) has to keep the traffic-rate model, or this will fail.
Three strikes. How unoriginal. | |
| ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| punishing the wrong people since when did downloading music, videos, and files become illegal. People are not hacking into password protected sites to get stuff. Why don't they worry about people sneaking DVD screeners, video recording movies, and promo CDs. I see it like this, if the bank left the doors and vaults open when they closed with no security what do you think will happen? Sure we know we should not take something that doesn't belong to us but if it is there, oh well. When sites are no longer available to download from then the fun will be over. Go ahead and take away people's access to broadband then see what the telco/cable companies do. That could be a lot of lost revenue. | |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
·Comcast
| Re: punishing the wrong people I'm thinking that with all of the corporate corruption against people, maybe stealing music is a form of payback. The RIAA doesn't make people *want* to be honest, and I personally don't feel much sympathy for any large corporate entities who get taken for a ride these days. Mostly they are ripping off consumers on various levels anyway. | |
| mikenolan7
Premium
join:2005-06-07
Torrance, CA | Three Strikes This story must be bogus. The French would never adopt an American saying like three strikes and you're out. Freedom Fries anyone? | |
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Re: Three Strikes Of course not, they said something like "Trois coups et vous êtes hors". | |
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9
1 edit | So..... My account would be terminated in no less than 30 yr I've been file sharing for over 10 years now. Never heard a peep from my ISP. I'd hope they have a new business model by then. I think we'll make it through this.
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Needs More Time
@sbcglobal.net
| How long, exactly, is it supposed to take... ...for the music industry to adopt a new business model?
"We have to do something, but it is only transitional, only to give time to the industry to adapt and maybe to encourage a new business model," says French digital copyright regulator Jean Berbinau.
Napster was sued in 2000. Here we are, eight years later, and there are people who are still claiming (and with a straight face apparently) that the music industry still "needs more time" to Get With The Program?
I actually don't have a problem with anyone making such claims. Provided, of course, that they don't have a problem with me refusing to take anything they say seriously ever again. | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom
| Re: How long, exactly, is it supposed to take... said by Needs More Time :...for the music industry to adopt a new business model?
"We have to do something, but it is only transitional, only to give time to the industry to adapt and maybe to encourage a new business model," says French digital copyright regulator Jean Berbinau.
Napster was sued in 2000. Here we are, eight years later, and there are people who are still claiming (and with a straight face apparently) that the music industry still "needs more time" to Get With The Program? I actually don't have a problem with anyone making such claims. Provided, of course, that they don't have a problem with me refusing to take anything they say seriously ever again. yea this guy is full of it
these people dont want a new model they want control back of the old one
nothing will come of this but lost ISP revenue | |
| Joseph327
join:2006-02-03
Jacksonville, FL | French government sending e-mail warnings to P2P users! France is being overtaken by muslim maggots and that is all they are worried about? Fucking Idiots!!! | |
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