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Google Aims To Scuttle MS/Yahoo Deal
CEO offers potential partnership, financial help
by Karl Bode 08:55AM Monday Feb 04 2008 Tipped by Revcb See Profile
Google is taking aim at the potential Microsoft & Yahoo merger over at the Google blog, suggesting the company will exert "the same sort of inappropriate and illegal influence over the Internet that it did with the PC." With the control of so many instant message and e-mail accounts, the company fears they'll use that leverage to apply their 90's strangehold all over again.
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Could a combination of the two take advantage of a PC software monopoly to unfairly limit the ability of consumers to freely access competitors' email, IM, and web-based services? Policymakers around the world need to ask these questions -- and consumers deserve satisfying answers.
Of course Microsoft was asking the same questions when Google recently acquired Doubleclick. Microsoft responded to Google's arguments by saying that a merger with Yahoo would create a "compelling number two competitor for Internet search and online advertising" to market leader Google. Microsoft's proposed merger with Yahoo would combine the No. 1 and No. 2 suppliers of Web-based e-mail, instant messaging (IM) and portals.

The NY Times notes that Google CEO Eric Schmidt over the weekend called Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang, offering the company help in fending off Microsoft. Reuters meanwhile makes it very clear the deal between Microsoft and Yahoo is far from being completed.

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Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

What a load of BS thrown out by Google's mouthpiece in his blog entry ( »googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/···net.html ).

To listen to this whining from a Google officer is kind of sickening. This is the same Google that has swallowed up dozens of companies since their start. And to complain about Microsoft doing the same thing is the height of hypocrisy.
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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Google is to on-line ads and search what Microsoft is to operating systems. Instead of whining about Microsoft trying to challenge its turf, it should leverage its position to create its own Linux distro to challenge Windows in corporate America or get behind one of the others with funding and R&D to make it more competitive.

IMO - allowing the merger and having Google challenge Microsoft's desktop will achieve more for the market than having Google spoon-feed Yahoo! some deals to torpedo the merger. If that happens, Google and Microsoft keep their respective positions and we lose.

I don't hate Microsoft or Windows but I truly didn't think the Vista egg was possible. Since Vista and Windows ME are of different lineage how could Microsoft lay a "Window ME"-like egg with Vista?!?!?

Someone needs to step in and make them pay with 20 or 30% market share drop. That would shake Microsoft's foundation and maybe they wouldn't "innovate" so much as to create a pile like Vista in the future. Imagine, taking a PC with 1GB of RAM that runs XP really well and have it pant and struggle to run Vista. That's what I call a fat, bloated pile.

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I thought the same thing: Google finally has the potential for some real competition and the first thing they do is try to kill the deal. Is not that precisely what Microsoft was accused of doing?

I never bought into the benevolent caretaker of the Internet PR Google has cloaked itself with. They control far too much information and practically all of the online ad market. They are awash in other people's money and while I like some of their products the real Google is starting to show through the PR veneer. If they could truly compete they wouldn't be trying this BS.
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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

Google does nothing that forces you to use Google search. People use it because they want to use it or because it works good for them. This isn't the same boat Microsoft has. You buy a PC, it comes with Windows 95%++ of the time, you have no choice but to accept it and give them revenue and turn around and not use it. They each control their own areas for very different reasons.

Microsoft is trying to buy their way into a competitive position in the search engine area rather than just offer something that people want to use. Google started out as nothing and made something that people found useful and it made them successful.

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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

said by firephoto:

Microsoft is trying to buy their way into a competitive position in the search engine area rather than just offer something that people want to use. Google started out as nothing and made something that people found useful and it made them successful.
And Google did it by buying up dozens(hundreds ?) of companies to get where they are. They are no different than Microsoft.
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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

What companies make them then number one search engine? My google mail doesn't make them number one in search and neither does google earth or sketchup or picassa or doubleclick or anything other than their search.

They are number one at the search and they make money on advertising due to that search. Microsoft has a search portal, advertising, hopefully some revenue. Does buying another search portal with advertising and revenue give them the chance to be better at it?
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They may have purchased Doubleclick (which BTW isn't final yet) making them the number one advertiser, but they became the number 1 search on their own. They maintain this search lead simply because they REFUSE to put advertising in the search. Most other search engines continue to this day to sell the number 1 up to the first 10 search results (IIRC Yahoo sells the first 3) and don't mark these results as paid advertising. As long as companies continue to realize that providing clean clear search results is what sells the search advertising Google will continue to dominate search.

Above all though, Google is NOT a monopoly. MS is a convicted monopolist that is trying to extend that monopoly to other areas.

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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

said by rahvin112:

They may have purchased Doubleclick (which BTW isn't final yet) making them the number one advertiser, but they became the number 1 search on their own.
LOL. See here: »www.seobythesea.com/?p=64

And then look for these companies they BOUGHT:
Outride in 2001
Applied Semantics in 2003
Kaltix in 2003
Transformic, Inc. in 2006

And these are just the ones I could dig up in a few minutes.

And as Jerry Seinfeld says: "Not that there is anything wrong with that".
But I get a kick out of all those who somehow think Google is the personification of all that is good and honest and public spirited. Guess what people, they got where they are the same way every other company did - by being ruthless businessmen devoted to totally dominating their market and becoming a monopoly just like any other business.
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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

You're not making any valid point. So what if they bought joe-bobs-search-tech. People use google because it is the best.

Microsoft wants to buy millions of yahoo users and point them at their search engine and their advertisers and their products.

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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

People use google because they ran just about everyone else out of the business.

I don't really care what they do, or Microsoft for that matter. They are both for-profit entities and would not think twice to sell you for a nickel if they bought you for a penny.

Google has their "search bar" inserted into the installers of more and more online applications. It installs by default. This is not a good thing. You can continue to defend them as some sort of benevolent entity but behind the scenes it is all about the money. Do you really know where your information is?
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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

said by RadioDoc:

Do you really know where your information is?
I sure do. And what's out in the open is there because I let it be there. A person is crazy to think that anyone that wants you info doesn't have it already.

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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

said by firephoto:

said by RadioDoc:

Do you really know where your information is?
I sure do. And what's out in the open is there because I let it be there. A person is crazy to think that anyone that wants you info doesn't have it already.
Suit yourself. But don't use that as justification for blindly trusting any corporation.
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Of the list of companies you list 2 actually had a product. Trasformic had a product to search databases, and Applied Semantics which had an web advertising product. The other two were working on new search algorithms. Most of the acquisitions Google has made have been more about the people working at the company than the product they had. Given the difficulty hiring in the highly specialized field Google is in they have used acquisitions to get key people they wanted in their organization, and as any company they were always on the lookout for new technology that improves search. For that to somehow make their being number 1 in search a product of acquisitions, as you claim, is frankly a straw man. Google became number one in search all on their own. They used strategic acquisitions to maintain the cutting edge of their search, mainly on algorithms to filter out all the junk advertising sites trying to bump their page rank. You belittle their achievement, not only in calling them ruthless but especially in putting them in the same league as Microsoft.

What's even worse is you fall for the MS propaganda and think that being number 1 in search translates into some huge monopoly. What Microsoft really cares about is that Google with their Doubleclick acquisition (yet to be approved) will become the largest (by by no measure controlling advertising provider. Unlike MS's desktop monopoly where people are locked into using MS products. The minute Google fails to perform, people will start using other sites. The same holds true with the advertising. Yet you want to say it's the same thing as the Microsoft acquisition where you have a convicted monopolist with 90% share of operating systems and an equivalent share of the office software market acquiring the largest portal site on the Internet. Not only will MS use their desktop monopoly to integrate Yahoo! fully into the OS but they will leverage the email and IM integration into the OS and Office suite to monopolize internet portals. (That is if they don't screw it up.)

To equate the two situations is frankly trying to say an apple is an orange. Google is a company that tries to be a good business, not only to people but the environment. Rather than the one ton business crushing machine that MS is.

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Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?

Buying companies for their human resources acquisition is not that different from buying companies for their product. It is just like Microsoft buying Groove just to get Ray Ozzie. Without the personnel Google gets from their acquisition I do not think they will be able to get where they are now. Saying Google becomes no.1 on their own is a strawman.

Last time I checked, Google buyout of DoubleClick is already approved in USA. Even that, those combo is not even a monopoly of online advertisement, that's why it was approved. So are with Yahoo+Microsoft. BTW, have you heard of Linux or Mac OSX? Those two are proof that no one is locked onto Microsoft software/products. And your suggestion that Microsoft will integrate Yahoo! products over their own such as Windows Live Messenger (still the biggest IM service on the planet), Hotmail (still have the most active accounts in the world), Windows Live Spaces (has more users than any other social-networking sites in the planet) in their OS is hogwash.
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Oddly when I searched for "jet ski" on Google, Yahoo, and Ask.com the sponsored results were all marked on the search result page. All three included sponsored links on the right side of the page. Google's search showed the first result as a paid sponsored link. Are you saying Google never does this? Why here then? Yahoo showed the first two results as sponsored links. Did you mean they are secretly selling the rest of the links but are not showing them as sponsored?

Are you also saying Google isn't a monopoly because they haven't been convicted of being one? Google got where they are by acquiring the companies and resources they needed to improve and gain market share to dominate the market. If MS and Yahoo want to do the same thing I don't see the the difference.

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Yeah...

Of course Google is going to have a problem with any competition that may actually threaten the stranglehold they have over internet searches and online advertising. Naturally, they want to keep their monopoly safe and sound. We can't have it affecting that shareholder value, now can we.

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What a joke.

Google is just pi$$ed because they can't buy Yahoo because the merger would never be approved.
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Re: and let the mud slingling begin

Microsoft responded to Google's arguments by saying that a merger with Yahoo would create a "compelling number two competitor for Internet search and online advertising" to market leader
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Of course Microsoft was asking the same questions when Google recently acquired Doubleclick-a known spy

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Re: and let the mud slingling begin

Sounds like Microsoft was thinking ahead on this. Maybe they're not as unintelligent as people often allude too.

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said by NPGMBR:

Sounds like Microsoft was thinking ahead on this. Maybe they're not as unintelligent as people often allude too.
No one's ever said that MS is unintelligent. They make buggy, bloated software. But their business practices have ALWAYS been extremely aggressive. From DOS to Windows to Internet Explorer to Yahoo.
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You sure about that? Seems you are trying to answer for the entire world. I'm sure there are a few milllion that have spedifically said that the folks running Microsoft were unintelligent!

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MS's Ballmer shoots back

»news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2008020···d/142142
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer rebuffed Google 's accusations that an acquisition of Yahoo would be anticompetitive.

"Google's clearly got a dominant position," Ballmer said. "They have about 75 percent of paid search worldwide. We think this enhances competition and anything else would be less good."

Ballmer continued with a hard push as to how a deal with Yahoo will let Microsoft move faster in building out areas such as search, online services and online advertising.

"We are going to have to innovate like crazy," Ballmer said.

But he also stressed how long it could take for a Yahoo deal to eventually benefit shareholders. Ballmer said he looks at whether investments will pay off five to 10 years down the line, but investors often want to see results in three years.

"Sometimes those investments look smart, sometimes it takes a while for them to pay off," Ballmer said.

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how about...

multiple companies bid for part of Yahoo? AT&T, Time Warner, GE/NBC Universal, etc.
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Google may be #1 in search but not elsewhere....

Although Google is number 1 in search they aren't even close in email, IM and the type of content that Yahoo! provides.

I think allowing this merger is a clear mistake, it might provide better competition in search but it's NOT going to be good for everything else Yahoo! does. Frankly I like Yahoo! and I know Microsoft will f*ck Yahoo! up really badly with their branding and make the thing run on Silverlight because MS wants to sell it. Microsoft can't help but advertise and use their software all over the whole site and I'm sure they will make Firefox work badly with the site and use other aggressive means to extend their monopoly. Not only that but they will integrate their very anti-privacy tracking crap on Yahoo!. In general MS buying Yahoo! is a huge thumbs down for me. Even if the US approves it I hope the EU snowballs it.

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I think

Google is just upset that they didn't offer to buy them, but microsoft did. Google could have easily ponied up the cash. They have enough of it.

They could have taken microsoft's lunch even further,but they chose not to.

Google really has nothing to complain about here, their tactics are just out of microsoft's own playbook.
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Yahoo & MSN Serch

When Google hit it's stride, and I got my first Google Search Appliance, I never looked back. To me Google has provided 300% more relevant results to what I search for, on a consistent basis than any other search engine I've used. So why bother with the competitors, they simply aren't able to compete, and I don't see how merging the two will help. Crap+Crap = More Crap.

The only site that's actually in the race seems to be Google, I have yet to find anything that comes close, except maybe en.wikipedia.org

{Sarchasm on}USE »www.aliweb.com/ for all your searching needs {/off}

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Hehehe

Google can also see how bad M$ is and how they are trying to take over everything!!!

THE MORE POWER TO THEM

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Google buys Ask.com or Amazon (k9)?

Ask.com has a few key things that Google lacks (this form someone who uses and loves Google). If those two teamed up along with A9 (Amazon), then Microsoft would be blown away.
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