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Canada First To Get Pre-Cert DOCSIS 3.0 Speeds
Videotron prepares to make the announcement tomorrow
by Karl Bode 01:48PM Tuesday Feb 05 2008
Canadian cable provider Videotron last year said they achieved speeds up to 98Mbps in trials of Cisco's pre-DOCSIS 3.0 wideband technology, and has stated that through bonding eight channels, they should be able to achieve speeds of 320Mbps. The company, which has been at the forefront of DOCSIS 3.0 deployment in North America, is preparing to unveil faster speeds tomorrow, according to this announcement:
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Videotron will be hosting a press meeting on Wednesday, February 6, 10:30, to provide details on brand new very high speed Internet product. During the meeting, Videotron Senior Vice-President, Marketing, Content and Product Development, Consumer Division, Manon Brouillette will unveil the new Internet product that will see Videotron offer one of North America's fastest Internet services.
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Earlier DOCSIS cable networks can only support transmissions within a single downstream 6 MHz radio frequency (RF) channel, limiting maximum throughput to around 40Mbps (shared). DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades will allow tuning into multiple 6 MHz channels through channel bonding technology, offering shared downstream data rates of 160 Mbps or higher and upstream data rates of 120 Mbps or higher.

Channel bonding combines multiple quadrature amplitude modulation (QAM) channels to ultimately offer cable broadband customers faster speeds. While DOCSIS 3.0 may not be here yet, ARRIS, Motorola, and Cisco are releasing pre-cert hardware that takes advantage of these advancements. We've been seeing a growing number of pre-cert 50-100Mbps cable solutions popping up in markets such as the UK, South Korea, and Singapore.

Videotron's announcement will be the first such offering we've seen in North America. No U.S. cable operators have yet to offer pre-certification DOCSIS 3.0 speeds to consumers, though Comcast promises to have 20% of their footprint wired with the standard by the end of this year. We'd expect those speeds, once offered, to closely mirror those of Verizon's FiOS broadband service (up to 50Mbps, depending on the market).

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ShadezeRO

join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL

Yeah

I give props on being first.

But what's the point if the connection is going to be throttled/capped? =\
ossito16

join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN

Re: Yeah

said by ShadezeRO:

I give props on being first.

But what's the point if the connection is going to be throttled/capped? =\
I had the same question. What would the purpose be to have such high speeds if ISP's want to regulate, censor, and throttle our connections. With torrent sites falling like flies who needs high speed. I could imagine these clowns offering 280mbps down and 5mbps up.

Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
kudos:2

Re: Yeah

Actually that is probably correct. Videotron is using *pre-cert* gear and if you read up on it, almost all the pre-cert gear's main flaw is it does NOT support UPSTREAM channel bonding!

Which means while they can offer 300mbps + down, on the up it will still be 30mbps SHARED upstream for all users on that section!

odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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Atlanta, GA
kudos:17
Reviews:
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Re: Yeah

Considering most upstreams are only running in D1.1 3.2MHz QAM16 and thus limited to 10Mbps using a D2.0 6.4MHz 64QAM upstream and a 4 X 256QAM downstream you'd have 160Mbps down/30Mbps up shared among 500-600 users. Upstream channel bonding is definitely going to be killer but traffic is still asymmetrical to the net so downstream is MUCH more important.
Done_Posting
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH

Re: Yeah

Well said. Of course, we're assuming their plant is clean enough to run QAM64 returns (which is probably a safe assumption since they're spending time and money on pre-cert DOCSIS 3.0 gear in the first place). Nevertheless, there are still plenty of modems out there chugging along with QPSK!

- Tate

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odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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join:2001-08-05
Atlanta, GA
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I prefer to call QPSK...

QAM4, but hey that's just my glass half full mind seeing the bright side of things.
AquaSport
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join:2007-05-03
California
said by odog:

Considering most upstreams are only running in D1.1 3.2MHz QAM16 and thus limited to 10Mbps using a D2.0 6.4MHz 64QAM upstream and a 4 X 256QAM downstream you'd have 160Mbps down/30Mbps up shared among 500-600 users. Upstream channel bonding is definitely going to be killer but traffic is still asymmetrical to the net so downstream is MUCH more important.
English, please.
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK

1 recommendation

said by ShadezeRO:

But what's the point if the connection is going to be throttled/capped? =\
1 word: MARKETING.

Or 2 words, from the consumer side: False Advertising.

ARGONAUT
Have a nice day.
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join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN
kudos:1

Updream data rates is more like it.

Upstream data rates in the US wont be increased that much.

FFH5
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

Without details, don't know how widespread offering will be

Until there are details available, we won't know where this may be offered. Or whether it may be available only in extremely limited areas. It takes time and money to rollout all the new Cisco routers and also provision any willing customers with the hardware they need at their end.

Also, no discussion yet on cost. How much will they charge for higher speed tiers?

N10Cities
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Fort Smith, AR
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Get ready to upgrade your NICs....

If speeds like this ever come to pass(320 Mbps), get ready to upgrade your NIC cards to Gigabit. Most ones currently in use top out at 100 Mbit..... only thing this type of speed would be useful for would be torrents and other PTP apps. Most sites out there won't put out anywhere near that type of bandwidth..... as mentioned before, with capping, throttling being implemented...who cares?

RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
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Re: Get ready to upgrade your NICs....

That's 320 megabits per node, not per customer. Your NIC will be fine.
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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Get ready to upgrade your NICs....

Hell, my cable modem is so old my switch link light shows 10Mbps. I suppose I might have to upgrade it if I subscribed to Charter's 10Mbps package. Since my cable bill is already the better of two Franklins, I'll wait until 10Mbps is the base package.

Of course at the rate the base package is bumped, they'll probably kick my DOCSIS 1.1 POS 3COM SharkFin off the plant first.
ydoucare

join:2003-03-12
Lafayette, IN
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said by N10Cities:

If speeds like this ever come to pass(320 Mbps), get ready to upgrade your NIC cards to Gigabit. Most ones currently in use top out at 100 Mbit..... only thing this type of speed would be useful for would be torrents and other PTP apps. Most sites out there won't put out anywhere near that type of bandwidth..... as mentioned before, with capping, throttling being implemented...who cares?
You're never going to get that much bandwidth to your house, so your 10/100 nic will be more than sufficient.

N10Cities
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Fort Smith, AR

Re: Get ready to upgrade your NICs....

Thanks for the clarification....

ztmike
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN

New speeds tomorrow?

"The company, which has been at the forefront of DOCSIS 3.0 deployment in North America, is preparing to unveil faster speeds tomorrow"

Does that mean that they are letting customers order these "new speeds" by tomorrow?
pat_lc2000

join:2006-02-04
Ottawa, ON

caps

Does this mean videotron is going to let up on there hugely low caps...if so they become useful.

Smokey
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Wild West

Interesting

This announcement will be interesting. I would like to know more details on just what kind of upgrades must be made to the plant and the nodes to make this work.
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime

join:2001-08-27
Bakersfield, CA

faster upload, I hope

I'm all for an increase in speed in any direction, but where it's really needed is in the upstream direction.
A friend of mine has space on my dedicated server where he backs up large data files, each between 600 and 700MB. Do you know how frustrating it is to upload files when you only have 384 kilobits of upload bandwidth? It takes my friend 3 and a half hours to upload a 600mb file, yet he can download that same file in just 10 minutes! I don't know what the upstream limit of Docsis 1.0/1.1 or 2.0 is per node, but I'd have to guess, even Docsis 1.0, which many ISP's still use, can do better than 1 or 2mbps upstream. And yet only cable Vision offers speeds greater than 2mbit upstream to it's users. Get with the times already, and give us more upstream. ISP operators could keep their downstream speeds the same, but add more upload, and I'm sure many of us would be quite happy.

RARPSL

join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY

Re: faster upload, I hope

said by kd6cae:

And yet only cable Vision offers speeds greater than 2mbit upstream to it's users.
Cablevision (OptOnline/OOL) is my Connectivity provider and their Standard offering is 15/2 Mbs and their BOOST Offering is 30/5 Mbs (with the 30 down uncapped in the modem settings so you can get over that if your node is currently not overloaded and the incoming feed can support that bandwidth).
CWO333

join:2005-02-24
Chicago, IL

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said by kd6cae:

I don't know what the upstream limit of Docsis 1.0/1.1 or 2.0 is per node, but I'd have to guess, even Docsis 1.0, which many ISP's still use, can do better than 1 or 2mbps upstream.
DOCSIS 1.1 - 9Mbps upstream shared between all on the node
DOCSIS 2.0 - 27Mbps upstream shared between all on the node
DOCSIS 3.0 - Depends on how many channels they bond on the upstream but pre-cert gear is just that because so far, they don't support upstream channel bonding.
clandestin

join:2002-05-02
Montreal-Nord, QC

Low cap and no upstream

Well Videotron has already a tier called Extreme High-Speed Internet Plus at 20Mb /1 Mb with a cap of 20Go in download and 10 Go in upload for $79.95/month and $7.95 per additionnal gigabyte, no fees limit.

Knowing them, it should be 100Mb / 1Mb at around $99.00 with a cap of, let say, 50Go combined.

So you bust your limit in less than hour.

Vidoetorn is always acting like a child telling that is daddy is more strong than yours.
clandestin

join:2002-05-02
Montreal-Nord, QC

Re: Low cap and no upstream

Well here's the offer...

$69.95 for 30Mb/1Mb
$79.95 for 50Mb/1Mb
Done_Posting
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH

Re: Low cap and no upstream

Wow, be still my fluttering heart...

1 Mbps upstream will be pretty saturated when you're downloading some types of traffic at full blast because of overhead!

- Tate

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jessegr

join:2005-03-05
Gatineau, QC

Caps!

Really hope they ease up on the caps.

Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT

Nice job VideoTron...

It's good to see a company staying on the cutting edge and showing what's possible.

I'm looking very forward to Comcasts rollout of this which is slated to be available to 20% of their customer base this year.

I guess we'll have to see whether that comes to pass but I think that Comcast is very serious about this given their public statements.

Really..this is a very exciting and innovative time in the whole broadband world. Verizon...and their fios initiative..
the cable co's and docsis 3.0.

Well.until we get to pewverse that is.
Someone please put that company out of it's misery.

It's painful to watch.
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TWVTTW

@verizon.net

OK

Time Warner meet Video Tron
Video Tron meet Time Warner

caps are no way to introduce upgrades, hope they both choke on their own stupidity