Get Your Network Neutrality Popcorn ReadyNew Markey bill aims to reheat the currently simmering debate... 04:16PM Wednesday Feb 13 2008 by Karl Bodetags: competition · fcc · business · Op/Ed · content · net-neutralityTipped by TK Junk Mail  Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA), chairman of the House Subcommittee on Telecommunication and the Internet, today introduced H.R. 5353 (pdf), the Internet Freedom Preservation Act. The new bill rekindles the debate over network neutrality, but does not regulate network neutrality. The bill tasks the FCC with studying the issue further over the next year, and asks the agency to conduct at least eight "public broadband summits" where Internet users can voice their opinions. Markey says his goal is to prevent "unreasonable discriminatory favoritism" by providers. "The global leadership in high technology the United States provides stems directly from historic policies that have ensured that telecommunications networks are open to all lawful uses and to all users," said Markey in a prepared statement. "In addition, because of the vital role that broadband networks and the Internet fulfill in exercising our First Amendment rights to speak, it is important that the United States adopt a policy endorsing the open nature of broadband networks."SaveTheInternet.com, a coalition of consumer advocates, insists the bill is "a Blow to the Gatekeepers," saying the legislation "gives hope to the millions of Americans who have called for action to ensure that the public not phone and cable companies control the fate of the Internet." The Open Internet Coalition, a group comprised of companies such as Google, eBay and TiVO, also issued a statement lending their support to the bill. "Over the last several months, we have seen repeated activities by the telephone and cable companies that threaten the existence of an open Internet," said the group. "Verizon, AT&T, and Comcast have all engaged in actions that collectively, if left unchecked, will hasten the end of the Internet as the greatest platform for openness and innovation in our nations history."In contrast Scott Cleland, a paid public relations and policy representative for the telecom industry, called the Markey bill the "Net Neutrality Wolf in Broadband Sheep's Clothing Act." "They can try and mask the net neutrality wolf with Internet Freedom sheep's clothing, but I doubt people will be fooled," insists Cleland. "The costume doesn't mask the long teeth and the wolf's breath."We asked AT&T for their opinion on Markey's new bill. While the bill's sponsors insist that the bill simply asks the FCC to study network neutrality, "it is far more than that," the company insists. "It would enact a new broadband policy for the United States that would include unprecedented regulation of the Internet," the company says. "As such, this bill will jeopardize billions in badly needed Internet investment and stifle broadband deployment."The idea that network neutrality legislation will result in capacity armageddon has long been the argument of the incumbent operators (and that of their many varied PR extensions). Neutrality supporters in contrast argue that if something isn't done, the future consists of major corporations throttling, crushing and derailing any content that competes with their own content interests (which for a company like Comcast, are substantial). Obviously the wild card in this new round of network neutrality fisticuffs is the Presidential election. A Presidential candidate such as Barak Obama, who supports network neutrality, could appoint a more progressive network neutrality advocate to lead the FCC, which would vastly change the agency's policy direction. The FCC's current policy direction, for those napping, is to essentially do what AT&T and Verizon tell them to do (nothing). That's not to say the FCC doesn't enjoy putting on a show while it does nothing; the agency today announced (pdf) that they're holding a February 26 hearing at Harvard Law School to hear from a group of "expert panelists" on network management issues, though who those panelists are is not specified. The meeting is open to the public. Related:- Rogers Website Messages Irk Google
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| "Hands Off The Internet believes that the best way to avoid burdensome and unnecessary regulation and mandates is by ensuring that market forces deliver the benefits that only fair competition...
I haven't seen any fair competition yet; I haven't seen competition AT ALL, fair or otherwise. I eagerly await the day when I have more than one broadband provider to choose from.
...can bring to the American consumer - maximum choice in supplier, content and technology.For example, recent years have shown that companies have raced to develop a variety of high-speed Internet access systems, including cable wire, DSL and wireless. These events were competition in its purest form, and we directly benefited consumers through lower prices.
the sentence in bold should be nominated for best fictional statement of the year; there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come. | |
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| Re: Must be law said by nasadude :the sentence in bold should be nominated for best fictional statement of the year; there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come. That is simply fantasy. Personally, I can choose my broadband provider from cable (Time Warner), aDSL or VDSL (AT&T), or satellite (WildBlue or HughesNet). Soon, wireless broadband will also be a reasonable option with 3G rollouts in place and 4G rollouts happening within the next 12-18 months. There's a TON of competition out there. | |
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| Re: Must be law said by MyDogHsFleas :...There's a TON of competition out there. I live in area code 20850; I eagerly await your list of multiple broadband providers in my area.
EVERYONE - if you only have one broadband provider, drop MyDogHsFleas a line and he will reveal where the other competitors are hiding in your area.
Seriously though, you are exceedingly lucky to even have two REAL choices of provider. sorry, satellite broadband is not a substitute for wired or even wireless broadband. the only people that think so are those trying desparately to convince people there is competition in the U.S. broadband market. | |
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| Re: Must be law said by nasadude :said by MyDogHsFleas :...There's a TON of competition out there. I live in area code 20850; I eagerly await your list of multiple broadband providers in my area. You said:
quote: there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come.
So now "the US market" equals "zip code 20850" ?? Come on. Pick an argument and stick with it, OK??
quote: sorry, satellite broadband is not a substitute for wired or even wireless broadband.
umm... yeah... it is. Maybe not a perfect one, but it is. I have a co-worker who lives in a remote area in Northern California on a ranch. He barely has POTS service (he has to maintain his own 1/4 mile of twisted pair). He is a work at home guy like me with heavy internet/VPN use, and uses satellite. It works OK for him. Maybe it's a little slower than if he had DSL or cable, but it works. | |
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| said by MyDogHsFleas :.. but it works. you know a potato and a few wires "work" to produce electricity - does that mean potato batteries are a substitute for duracell batteries? | |
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| said by MyDogHsFleas :said by nasadude :said by MyDogHsFleas :...There's a TON of competition out there. I live in area code 20850; I eagerly await your list of multiple broadband providers in my area. You said: quote: there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come.
So now "the US market" equals "zip code 20850" ?? Come on. Pick an argument and stick with it, OK?? quote: sorry, satellite broadband is not a substitute for wired or even wireless broadband.
umm... yeah... it is. Maybe not a perfect one, but it is. I have a co-worker who lives in a remote area in Northern California on a ranch. He barely has POTS service (he has to maintain his own 1/4 mile of twisted pair). He is a work at home guy like me with heavy internet/VPN use, and uses satellite. It works OK for him. Maybe it's a little slower than if he had DSL or cable, but it works. Yeah, and look how far we've come since the Telecom Act of 1996. Yep, competition all over the place, and getting cheaper by the minute/byte (which they'll soon be charging by). How much USF money do you think the telcos have collected over the intervening years? Enough to enable them to provide service to your friend's rural abode? Probably...
Where I live, a major metropolitan area, I only have one telco (AT&T), one cable company (Comcrap), to choose from. While there are plenty of resellers still for telco service, the prices are anything but competitive. Cable is an unattractive, even less reliable, and more expensive option. No teleco entity/reseller here offers speeds over 3Mbps/384Kbps without surcharging the hell out of you. Five miles away, there is Verizon Fios, but they can't compete in my location because AT&T is the monopoly telco here. The wiring in my neighborhood is the shits, and it is routine that my line pairs are stolen at least once a year by AT&T service techs in search of a reasonably quiet pair for a "new" install. The F2 cable run to my central office is defective, which AT&T has known for years, but AT&T won't replace it. Uverse is a substandard promise I won't hold my breath for, and probably won't be able to afford by the time it is implemented here, anyway.
Telecom competition is just a bad, and expensive, joke...but the subject under discussion was/is network neutrality, right? | |
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| I wouldn't call sub-dial-up speeds (satellite) "useable". I'm also far away enough from apparently everyone to get DSL, so I have two choices: dial-up (can't use it for gaming, which is basically all I do on the internet, anyway), or Comcrap. Tell me, how the HELL is there competition there? | |
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| Re: Must be law I wouldn't call sub-dial-up speeds (satellite) "useable". I'm also far away enough from apparently everyone to get DSL, so I have two choices: dial-up (can't use it for gaming, which is basically all I do on the internet, anyway), or Comcrap. Tell me, how the HELL is there competition there? Satellite has high latencies which make it unsuitable for gaming. If gaming's your thing you need DSL or cable, for sure.
Of course, gaming is optional entertainment, you are not using your broadband connection to make a living like I am! So frankly I have little sympathy. Pay your Comcast bill and play your games, or don't.
My co-worker who has satellite signed up for the "professional package" which doesn't have the download limits. He reports that once it gets going, speeds are pretty good, certainly a lot better than the dialup he used to have.
And, hey, check out this Wednesday Evening Links here on our very own dslreports.com! "Satellite Broadband to serve 1.2 million homes by 2012". | |
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join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL | VPN over satellite broadband is no better than over dial-up. | |
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join:2001-12-06 Palo Alto, CA | Re: Must be law Heavy UDP traffic, like VPN, kills sat internet connections. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: Must be law When you've got a 280MB monthly cap that, if broken, results in your connection being throttled back to 14kbps...everything kills satellite Internet connections. | |
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| Re: Must be law said by Karl Bode :When you've got a 280MB monthly cap that, if broken, results in your connection being throttled back to 14kbps... everything kills satellite Internet connections. That's exactly correct. My co-worker I was referring to got some kind of "professional" level subscription that did not have the caps. Pretty much required if you're going to be a heavy user. | |
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| Re: Must be law And I'm sure the monthly cost for this satellite service is competitive with Cable/DSL prices.... not.
Cable and DSL are fungible; satellite simply isn't. It's not competitive from a cost/performance standpoint. The only people using satellite are people who can't get cable or DSL. Thus, it's not really a legitimate option for switching should a consumer wish to penalize their ISP for being non-neutral.
Having 2-3 firms to choose from isn't really competition, it's oligopoly. Or have you forgotten your Econ 101 lessons on the four basic types of markets? | |
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| Re: Must be law said by JakCrow :Who owns the wireless providers? You've got a good point there. AT&T and Verizon obviously overlap in the broadband and wireless business. Sprint and T-mobile do not. | |
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| "I can choose my broadband provider from cable (Time Warner), aDSL or VDSL (AT&T), or satellite (WildBlue or HughesNet)"
Maybe you can but I cant either! Anyone who thinks satellite is a viable solution for all is not aware of the high latency involved. Forget about playing games and no chance of VOIP, anything that needs a "good" low latency connection is out of the question. I have 2 choices and thats it! Cable is a high latency drag around here. Every once in a while a small guy pops up and gives the ISP game a whirl. They cannot compete, they cant under bid the Host Telco and the bundling that is offered. And they just end up calling the host telco with issues anyway.
I have spoken with them before and it was like talking to a 5 year old who knew about computers.
"How fast is the connection?: we cant promise any speeds. I know that, but what kind of connection is it?: ya see we cant promise any level of connection speed. Ok, Is it 128up 3down?: same answer.........never mind." is kinda how it went.
There are always posts here asking for service. In my ISP forum, there are always people asking when service is schedule to roll out. There is no competition in a lot of the country. | |
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| I like people like "Ahrenl"
Who will post a useful link of something to do about it for people like me that sit here and get pissed real easy and don't know what to do. | |
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| Three reasons that this bill is important and should be passed.
1. IT IS THE RIGHT BILL FOR RIGHT NOW. There is an urgent need for legislation that protects against efforts by phone and cable companies to block the free flow of information online. Recent examples include Comcast blocking peer-to-peer applications; Verizon censoring NARALs text messages; and AT&T's plans to start filtering all Internet traffic for copyright violations. We must send a strong and clear message that telco and cable plans to muck with content and discriminate in favor of themselves and their buddies will not be tolerated.
2. THE BILL MAKES NET NEUTRALITY THE LAW OF THE LAND. The bill is a major first step in a forward-thinking communications policy. It modernizes the Communications Act -- the foundation of media policy -- to ensure that Net Neutrality protections apply to new broadband services, just as they did to dial-up. It ensures that economic innovation, democratic participation and free speech will continue to flourish on the Internet by stopping would-be gatekeepers from discriminatory blocking or interfering with content. It gives the FCC a clear mandate to protect Net Neutrality everywhere.
3. THE BILL OPENS UP A NATIONAL CONVERSATION. It calls for a nationwide series of public hearings. For too long, communications policy has been made behind closed doors without public input. By taking the debate beyond the Beltway, we have a unique, grassroots opportunity to tell Congress that high-priced phone and cable lobbyists will no longer set the agenda.
If you agree, the best way to help out is by calling your representative and getting his/her name added to the bill:
»www.savetheinternet.com/
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|   JasonD
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| The problem is multi-media content... and the illegal trade that bittorrent and p2p allow. The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Things are becoming progressively worse as youtube, netflix, xbox marketplace, itunes movie rentals, et al, are increasingly enticing users.
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for. | |
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| Re: The problem is multi-media content... said by JasonD :
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for. You mean the one that the users paid for, right? | |
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| said by JasonD :
You know, the one that they paid for. I'm sure they paid for every penny, and the right of way to use the countless miles of public infrastructure. Those gov't tax breaks, subsidies, etc... those were all just what they deserved to begin with. Those poor, poor telecoms. How dare the big scary gov't take an interest in public infrastructure not dominated by a local monopoly. tisk tisk | |
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| Re: The problem is multi-media content... said by Skeedatl :said by JasonD :
The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Then these same ISPs shouldn't be promising "crazy fast speeds" for "faster surfing", "faster video" and "faster music". The problem are a few ISPs promising what THEIR networks can't deliver. There is good reason Verizon is spending over $20 billion on fiber deloyment. There is a mint to be made on these bandwidth intensive goodies. Without Netflix, Google, Apple and the others, no customers would need broadband. I agree with everything you said and would like to add that there is a conflict of interest involved. I believe the same people that own the backbone in the area are also ISPs. | |
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| said by JasonD :
and the illegal trade that bittorrent and p2p allow. The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Things are becoming progressively worse as youtube, netflix, xbox marketplace, itunes movie rentals, et al, are increasingly enticing users.
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for. Yours is the most logical conclusion. Therefore most here will disagree with it. They want all this extra bandwidth without paying for it. -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page | |
|  |  |   Skeedatl Ah, push it - push it real good Premium join:2007-12-26 The Cloud | Re: The problem is multi-media content... To the contrary;
ISPs want to promise all this extra bandwidth without planning for it. | |
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join:2000-09-02 Three Rivers, MA | But we do pay for it. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Yours is the most logical conclusion. Therefore most here will disagree with it. You only believe it to be logical because you agree with it, despite the fact that the statement is based on incorrect information. | |
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| said by JasonD :
The internet wasn't designed for it The internet wasn't designed to transfer files, no sir! 
said by JasonD :
Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for. Ya know, consumers are already chipping in a fair amount of cash to their ISP to keep the network running smoothly & updated - it isn't all access fees (or at least it'd be extremely short-sighted for an ISP to not do so!). I mean, what next, ISPs forging fake packets to high-bandwidth sites like YouTube or iTunes because of "excessive use"? | |
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| said by JasonD :
and the illegal trade that bittorrent and p2p allow. The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Things are becoming progressively worse as youtube, netflix, xbox marketplace, itunes movie rentals, et al, are increasingly enticing users.
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for. you have drunk too deeply of the "bandwidth crunch" Koolaid, my son. I suggest you abstain from reading industry press releases for at least two months while your brain clears. | |
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| said by JasonD :
and the illegal trade that bittorrent and p2p allow. The internet wasn't designed for it, Contrary to your uninformed statement the internet was not designed with a large portion of the protocols in use on it today, however, that does not mean it can't handle it. Someone with a clue would say that the last mile can't handle it, but that is only due to poor planning on the part of the last mile providers. The internet can more than handle HD Video, streaming audio, gaming and P2P. | |
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| Re: The problem is multi-media content... I would take your argument a little further and say yes the internet was designed for every protocol that can ever be invented to work over and IP network. That was the beauty of the design.
The internet however was NOT designed to be a commercial whore for the mega corps of the US. It is great that it has gone commercial, but just like anything else those that have power want more power and more importantly more money. They get that power through control which allows them to make even more money. | |
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| The problem is false advertising and poor network management.
The way I view ISPs is a large scale version of a home or small office network. They have large connection to other ISPs via the backbone. The backbone is their internet. They have fast connection to all their subscribers. Subscribers are the "LAN users". The ISP has routers like we do at home, just bigger and better.
A problem they are facing is that their internet connections are maxed, or at least the budget they set for paying for that traffic. If you've been a college student living with other college students in the last 10 years, you know the first thing to think of is tell everyone to stop downloading so much... or to stop uploading so much. But the 100mbit ethernet doesn't regulate itself. The solution is get a better router, that prevents the upload from being maxed, by evenly allocating bandwidth... people go slower but not much slower. And the performance is better than letting things go at max speed and crashing into each other.
So... what they should be doing is going with these fair routing algorithms that delay/drop packets. People's packet loss goes up, and speed goes down, but TCP/IP is designed to handle this. More retransmits on the LAN, but the router only sends out as much traffic as it wants. Networking is smart enough now that they could even put the heaviest users on their own crowded link with half the bandwidth, and the low users on the other half... the majority of users don't have problems, and the heavy users do but its their own fault, and their programs handle it because its following the standard.
I'm not sure the logic of using poor network management practices when the same benefit can be had from fair network management. I think its just them being taken in by equipment vendors and consultants trying to make some money reinventing the wheel.
To clarify: poor network management tries to save bandwidth by selectively closing or blocking prejudiced traffic, hoping that it will go away. Good network management slows traffic down and drops packets indiscriminately, according to the TCP/IP spec | |
|  |  wentlanc You Can't Fix Dumb..
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| So what about the multi-media content and perfectly legal trade that bit torrent and p2p allow? Not everything that crosses these applications is pirated, you know. But some people like you have to scream the sky is falling in a feeble attempt to assert their point.
Ultimately, one of two things must happen. Either the ISP's need to grow with the internet, or they need to get out and let someone else, aka muni bb, grow with it instead.
Oh, and newsflash for you, subscribers pay already. Content providers pay already. Which leaves them to control their network. Adding bandwidth is a method of controlling your network too. Why can't they do that? | |
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| What broadband investment? "It would enact a new broadband policy for the United States that would include unprecedented regulation of the Internet," the company says. "As such, this bill will jeopardize billions in badly needed Internet investment and stifle broadband deployment." AT&T's current investment in broadband is at best anemic and U. S. deployment is already stifled. | |
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| pffttt..... that's the problem with this country.......we have to study, have endless committees, check, recheck, hold droning mind numbing panels with boring mind numbing panelists, hold a hearing or 2, hold more hearings, add a little more procrastination, make bogus mind numbing pointless comments, clear their throats, wax poetic about the good times,introduce legislation that is meaningless, and extol the virtues of the useless legislation that was just passed. End of rant.Peace  -- BlooMe | |
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| Re: pffttt..... And then come to the wrong decision which costs 100s of millions. Then, six months later, arrive at a new decision once sub committee one decides sub committee 2 used flawed data. Then sub committee 3 interjects and says both are incorrect. Hence, leading to another failure. After 15 or 20 years a final decision is made costing 10s of billions over the initial 10 million budget. Ah yes, that's more like it. | |
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| Ed Markey is Unqualified This is the same guy who was whining about the iPhone not working with carriers other than AT&T even though it is technologically impossible for the phone in its current form to work with Verizon Wireless, Sprint, Alltel, or any other non-GSM carrier.
Perhaps he needs to gain a better understanding of technology before he spearheads ill-informed "reform" down our throats. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Ed Markey is Unqualified If the iPhone will not work on other carriers then you better tell all those people who hacked their iPhones to do just that. | |
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| Re: Ed Markey is Unqualified said by Lazlow :If the iPhone will not work on other carriers then you better tell all those people who hacked their iPhones to do just that. I'd LOVE to see how they got a GSM radio to sync up with a CDMA network.
Hint: you can only go to another GSM carrier, which excludes Sprint, Nextel, Verizon, etc. | |
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@verizon.net | Re: Ed Markey is Unqualified Indeed... though, one wonders if one could hack in a CDMA radio into an iPhone, and then get the iPhone to operate with the CDMA radio... probably not worth it for any consumer use, but it would be neat to see some crazy tech expert could do it... | |
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| The phone carrier is the issue, not the data. But even beyond that they just simply willingly locked the phone to the carrier that agreed to their terms. If sprint would of agreed, it would be locked to them, if alltel did it would be locked to them.
Bottom line is they locked it to control it not because it is not possible. | |
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| already useless Any net neutrality law in the works right now is useless. Since Comcast's throttling is "reasonably network management" and [my quote] "standard practices by the industry", there is no discrimination against traffic, its just the way TCP works 
Unless the Feds specifically quote RFCs as being law and any violation of them violates net neutrality + something against timing issues/packet loss slowing down, or dropping packets that, or dropping packets that aren't full (1500 bytes) (dropping packets that aren't full destroys any VOIP usage, since the data will have to be queues up in the TCPIP stack and that creates massive latency, one phone company is guilty of this, OTE of Greece "OTE has also been criticized for artificially limiting the number of packets passing per second through an ADSL line (probably unjustly, since ATM DSLAMs limit packets when they are congested, and no packet limitation appears in ΟΤΕ's brand new IP DSLAMs or in ones with enough bandwidth), thus making VoIP services over its broadband network unusable and unreliable" »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_···n_Greece ) | |
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