Ted 'Tubes' Stevens Tries To Fight PhishingIn the process attempts to make domain privacy a felony... ( old news - 04:28PM Wednesday Feb 27 2008) tags: legislation · trouble · scamCNET's Declan McCullagh says the Senate is considering a bill that would make phishing illegal. The only problem? It already is. 'Ole Tubes Stevens is back again, this time with the Anti-phishing Consumer Protection Act, which Stevens claims "empowers states and the federal government to pursue these criminals with significant fines and imprisonment." However, McCullagh notes that in addition to not doing anything that isn't already on the books, the law potentially comes with some serious consequences: the new bill would make keeping your domain registration private a federal offense. From the bill: It is unlawful for the registrant of a domain name used in any commercial activity to register such domain name in any Whois database with false or misleading identifying information, including the registrant's name, physical address, telephone number, facsimile number, or electronic mail address...
It is unlawful for a domain name registrar...to shield, mask, block or otherwise restrict access to, any domain name registrant's name, physical address, telephone number, facsimile number, or electronic mail address, or other identifying information in any Whois database... That's obviously not much fun for those who reasonably don't want their domain registration information made available to every weirdo on the Ted Steven Intertubes. One gets the feeling that the 84-year-old Stevens, currently under Federal corruption investigation, might want to give technology law a rest for a while.
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1 edit | Re: Good Grief said by pnh102  :Hey Teddy... do the GOP a favor... either resign now, or don't run for re-election. It is the residents of Alaska that keep returning him to Washington. At least he is no longer committee chairman.
Maybe someone needs to "send him an Internet" but from his previous speeches that takes several days so there is probably no point in it. | |
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| Re: Good Grief said by n2jtx :It is the residents of Alaska that keep returning him to Washington. At least he is no longer committee chairman. I know.
That's why all I can do is sit here and whine about it. But I can't blame the people of Alaska for sending this guy back. He (like every other well-entrenched incumbent) keeps bringing home the bacon.
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| Re: Good Grief said by rawgerz :This is another reason why I'm happy to see someone not over the age of 60 running for presidency. Congress is full of OLD idiots with no "real world" experience. I wouldn't even say his age is a factor. I do agree with you that someone who is in office for a long time does lose touch with the real world. If there were congressional term limits, it would force a turnover and allow for new blood to come in.
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| Re: Good Grief said by pnh102 : If there were congressional term limits, it would force a turnover and allow for new blood to come in. And then the incumbents could whine/cry about how they haven't had enough time to accomplish anything and how the n00bs won't know enough to be worthy of election. Just like they do in California. Fortunately, we just shot down that particular proposition purchased by the politicians currently holding office but who are on their way out as a result of our term limits for these assholes.
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| Re: Good Grief said by major marco :And then the incumbents could whine/cry about how they haven't had enough time to accomplish anything and how the n00bs won't know enough to be worthy of election. Personally, I find that when politicians fail to do most things, we are usually better off.
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| When that "tubes" quotation appeared in the news, I thought right away, this guy is in the pocket of lobbyists. Think about it, where would he get that metaphor when he obviously doesn't know much about the cyber-world?
But of course, it's just the kind of thing a lobbyist would use to influence such a person. The issue at the time was network neutrality - so a lobbyist tells him that if ISPs aren't allowed to discriminate, the "tubes" will be overloaded. It's superficially plausible, and misleading in ways a techno-ignorant legislator would fall for. | |
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| Re: Good Grief said by swhx7 :It's superficially plausible, and misleading in ways a techno-ignorant legislator would fall for. Larry Craig is looking for interns.
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| said by rawgerz :Congress is full of OLD idiots with no "real world" experience. I think their problem is that they don't realise that the internet has become the NEW "real world". | |
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| said by pnh102 :Hey Teddy... do the GOP a favor... either resign now, or don't run for re-election. You are among the many shining reasons as for why we need Congressional term limits! Considering Ted's facing an FBI investigation and jail, why is he in the Senate? Trying to get another bridge to nowhere approved? 
Ted was allegedly taking kickbacks from an Alaskan developer so the FBI raided his home. Another class act in Congress.
Funny, about 33% of Congress has written a bad check. The New Orleans Rep. got caught with $90,000 in his freezer. Kickbacks for helping ppl start businesses in Africa. He's been indicted.
Of course, there is Rep. Barney Frank who got nailed paying for a gay hooker then letting the gay hooker do hooking out of his D.C. home.
And, of course, there's Ted Kennedy who only killed a woman.
Yes, Congress is whorehouse. Lobbyists own them.
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1 edit | Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs I would whole heartily disagree with address phone number thing for domains. There's an expect security that we all should have. You never know who on the net could show up at your biz or house. That in its self is frighting. As usual the spammers will lie and will get away with it, us sheep will follow the herd provided by our "gov". If bills like this keep coming we may end up with a law that says when posting on a forum you must include your Real name, address, phone number and your SSN.
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antarctica | Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs Just get a court order and approach the hosting company and find out who pays the bills or what IP logs on as admin. Easy peasy. | |
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| I think you are off base. I think domain entries should be accurate and public. If it scares you to have the infomation out there then maybe running public services isnt for you. The only reason to obfuscate domain information is to empower spammers. At the very least there should accurate information for reporting an abusive domain to a host so as to have it shut down. All spam electronic and real world need to be stopped. They both waste all sorts of resources. | |
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| Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs I have to disagree. I hate spam as much as anyone. Maybe more since we host email servers and I fight it daily. But my own info out there for anyone to see on the net, I think not and I'm not comfortable with that and I'm about as far as a spammer as you can get. Just because I like my privacy doesn't make me, my company, or my family "spammers" Nice try though. You don't see the CEO's of ATT or Comcast personal info up on who-is but your expecting anyone even personal website owners to have their full Name/Address/Phone numbers. Come on man get serious.
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Marietta, GA | Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs kfsutops has a good idea. Netfixer, the spammers will Lie anyway so they will never see a problem "most likely".
Ontop of that the most spam we see comes from Eastern block and Asia pac so US law wouldn't apply.
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| said by youngmoore :You don't see the CEO's of ATT or Comcast personal info up on who-is but your expecting anyone even personal website owners to have their full Name/Address/Phone numbers. Come on man get serious. Actually you picked a couple of bad examples to make your point. The domains comcast.com, comcast.net, att,com and att.net all have adequate published whois information (shown below) to allow anyone with a problem with their networks to be able to contact someone for help. The stealh domain registrations provide no such information without at least a court order.
If my network is being attacked, I prefer to contact the network admin of the offending network to find a solution rather than simply blocking perhaps an entire subnet forever. When the attacker comes from one of the stealthed domains, the only reasonable choice I have is the block forever option.
Registrant:
Comcast Corporation
1500 Market Street
Philadelphia, PA 19102
US
Domain Name: COMCAST.NET
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Administrative Contact:
Administrator, Domain Registration ContactMiddleName domregadmin@COMCAST.net
Comcast Corporation
1500 Market, West Tower
Philadelphia, PA 19102
US
215-320-8774 fax: 215-564-0132
Technical Contact:
Technical Contact, Domain Reg ContactMiddleName domregtech@comcastonline.com
Comcast Corporation
1500 Market St.
9Fl West
Philadelphia, PA 19102
US
215-320-8774 fax: 215-564-0132
Record expires on 24-Sep-2008.
Record created on 25-Sep-1997.
Database last updated on 28-Feb-2008 02:00:16 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
DNS101.COMCAST.NET 68.87.64.204
DNS102.COMCAST.NET 68.87.66.204
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Registrant:
Comcast Corp
1500 Market Street
Philadelphia, PA 19102
US
Domain Name: COMCAST.COM
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Comcast Corporation postmaster@COMCAST.COM
1500 MARKET ST
PHILADELPHIA, PA 19102-2100
US
215-981-7776 fax: 215-981-7776
Technical Contact:
Comcast Corporation postmaster@COMCAST.COM
1500 MARKET ST
PHILADELPHIA, PA 19102-2100
US
215-981-7776 fax: 215-981-7776
Record expires on 28-Aug-2010.
Record created on 29-Aug-1995.
Database last updated on 28-Feb-2008 02:01:50 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1-AUTH.SPRINTLINK.NET
NS2-AUTH.SPRINTLINK.NET
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Registrant:
AT&T Corp.
Corporate Administration
32 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10013
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eiss-dns@att.com
+1.3172651482 Fax: +1.3172651482
Domain Name: ATT.COM
Registrar of Record: Corporate Domains, Inc.
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NS2.ATTDNS.COM
NS3.ATTDNS.COM
NS1.ATTDNS.COM
NS5.ATTDNS.COM
NS4.ATTDNS.COM
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Expires on..............: 26-Apr-10
Record last updated on..: 13-Jul-07
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Domain Name: ATT.NET
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424 S. Woodsmill Rd
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800-325-1898 fax: 281-664-9975
Record expires on 14-Dec-2012.
Record created on 13-Dec-1993.
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Domain servers in listed order:
ORCU.OR.BR.NP.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 199.191.129.139
WYCU.WY.BR.NP.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 199.191.128.43
OHCU.OH.MT.NP.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 199.191.144.75
MACU.MA.MT.NP.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 199.191.145.136
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs If your network is being attacked you work off of IP address blocks and their owners info, not domain name registrations per se. | |
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| said by NetFixer :said by youngmoore :You don't see the CEO's of ATT or Comcast personal info up on who-is but your expecting anyone even personal website owners to have their full Name/Address/Phone numbers. Come on man get serious. Actually you picked a couple of bad examples to make your point. The domains comcast.com, comcast.net, att,com and att.net all have adequate published whois information (shown below) to allow anyone with a problem with their networks to be able to contact someone for help. The stealh domain registrations provide no such information without at least a court order.
This is just incorrect.
I just checked one of mine to be sure. I have one registered via a proxy company, and it gives physical address for that organization and email addresses (administrative, technical) that get forwarded to me.
I believe other proxy domains are like this too - you can always see an email address to complain to. And if that doesn't work, you can always go to the hosting company. The only thing you need a court order for is getting personal information on individuals, and you don't need that to contact someone about anything being done on the domain.
If we can't have proxy registrations for individuals, then the only other way to make the business and individual registrations comparable would be to require the names and physical home addresses of the executives, board members and major stockholders on any corporate registration. I would support that. | |
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| The solution I came up with when I was publishing my own domain was to get a Post Office box and a GrandCentral phone number. If you do a whois on one of my domains (say, PCQandA.com), you'll get these instead of my real address/phone number.
I stop by the PO Box every so often to pick up the junk mail and donations that arrive there. (I use the PO Box for donations to help keep my site running also since I don't want to publish my address for that.) Any phone calls coming in will ring my real phones (via GrandCentral's service), but I can choose whether or not I take them and can block spam callers.
The PO Box costs me $26 per year (prices vary from post office to post office) and the GrandCentral number is free.
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2 edits | said by NetFixer :On the other hand if the spammers and scam artists who benefit most from stealth domain registrations, never knew which of their victims might show up on their doorstep with a 10 gauge shotgun...
A lot of bad policies come from thinking of one possible consequence and overlooking others. The person who show up with a gun could just as easily be some random crazy person who's offended by something that a blogger with his own domain wrote.
said by MJRudzik :If it scares you to have the infomation out there then maybe running public services isnt for you. The only reason to obfuscate domain information is to empower spammers. At the very least there should accurate information for reporting an abusive domain to a host so as to have it shut down. All spam electronic and real world need to be stopped. They both waste all sorts of resources.
Is avoiding waste of resources more important than humans being safe? Abolishing anonymity in advance only exposes the public (any domain owner) to hate mail, property damage or even violence from anyone who's offended by their website. The only real effect - and probably the political motivation - of an anti-masking rule is to "chill" expression on the part of indiividuals.
Businesses have nothing to fear from putting their physical addresses online; it's only individuals who have to reveal their home addresses.
You can report a domain that's spamming (or spreading malware, etc.) to its host without having the street address of the domain owner. And it's always possible to find out about domain ownership with a warrant or subpoena.
And that's the way it should be: prove to a judge that there is some illegal activity, and unmask the domain owner. If you can't prove that, you have no legitimate entitlement to the information. | |
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| Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs said by bogey780 :There needs to be a balance between privacy and public disclosure. Maybe a proxy system whereby someone puts a valid contact for someone who will vouch for the authenticity. I think thats a good idea, the proxy could be the registrar.
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I registered and paid the extra 10 bucks for "Domains By Proxy."
They have my info, but you can't get my personal info from a generic Whois.
There are PLENTY of good reasons for some people to do this. Mostly, if they aren't a business.
I do not want people to be able to dig up all that info. My band's website has plenty of ways to contact if needed.
Having all that info listed is like asking for freaks to harass you.
Yes, scammers and spammers suck. No, they shouldn't be able to hide completely. I agree that a balance should be struck... and I think Domains by Proxy is a good start. | |
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| I use Domains by Proxy on my domain. All my valid domain info is protected by them and a Court order is needed to retrieve it. They use their name and address for the public whois database.
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| I own a number of domains, and I don't have Domain Privacy, and I haven't received any of the spam that I have been promised. (WAAAH!)
I don't mind Domain Privacy, though, on one condition: That the information on a privacy-protected domain is useful for contacting the owner of that domain in the event of a technical or administrative problem.
I've tried on numerous occasions to contact domain owners about malware on their site -- and these guys have bought Domain Privacy from their Registrar. But contacting the Registrar is useless -- they refuse to forward any message to the registrant, no matter how important it is. To me, that's the problem.
If someone wants to replace their name on a registration with some generic "Privacy Protected - Contact Registrar" entry, fine -- but then provide a screened forwarding service that protects the registrant from spam and anonymous harassment but gets important messages through.
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| said by LiamJunket : It would seriously put a major dent on all these domains owned by criminal groups. But, of course, it would need more than US law. It would need ICANN to enforce the same stds. Like gun control laws, that's based on the flawed assumption that people follow the law. Go back and read what you typed TK -- do you think criminal groups are going to be worried about this law, over all the other ones they're already breaking??? | |
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| Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs Exactly. If I were the member of an online criminal group and suddenly I was required to put my real name/address on a domain, I'd find someone else's name/address to use. Probably something from identity theft.
Alternatively, they could auto-generate fake names/addresses. Take a list of common first names, a list of common last names, a list of street names, a list of cities and run them all through a random number generator and you get a new name/address each time. By the time the ISP and/or police realize and the domain gets shut down, the criminals are already on to the next domain and fake name/address.
I had, in fact, once had a similar idea for fake identity generation to poison phishing pages. (Generate a fake identity and submit it to the phishing form. If enough people do it enough times, the data they collect becomes useless.) I even got as far as to locate free lists of common first names, last names, street names, and cities. So everything the criminals would need are online for free right now.
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| Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs said by Jason Levine :Exactly. If I were the member of an online criminal group and suddenly I was required to put my real name/address on a domain, I'd find someone else's name/address to use. Probably something from identity theft. Well, under the rules, as they should be setup, they wouldn't get a domain name. Because no one would get a domain name until they replied to a registered letter from the address they used. No PO boxes, no 3rd party register companies, etc.
If you want a domain name you need a real street address and you must reply to a letter sent to that address. It would cost more. But that would be OK to, as it would keep all those buying domain names just on speculation out of the game.
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| Re: Phishing part not needed; but domain registration needs chgs That would make buying a domain name much more complex and it still wouldn't stop criminals.
Suppose a criminal overseas wants to buy merchandise using a stolen credit card. The website might realize that shipping that DVD player to Africa is a bad idea when the card is registered to someone in Florida. So the criminal dupes another victim.
This victim is convinced that he is helping out a small company overseas import goods from America. The details change from case to case. Sometimes the victim is wooed until they think they are engaged to the criminal. Sometimes they are mere business partners. In any case, the victim gets these boxes of goods and dutifully mails them back off to the criminal. (Or to someone else who mails them to someone else, etc until they reach the criminal.)
In the case of a registered letter domain name, the criminal would register a series of domain names in the victim's name and have them respond to the registered letters (with a pre-written response). The domains would be approved and the criminal would then open their phishing/cracking/whatever site. When one domain is closed, another would be activated. If all of the domains are closed, then the criminals would open others. If the person gets blacklisted, they criminals would move on to another sucker.
Meanwhile, I would be forced to put my real name/address/phone number for my domain name and would need to wait for the registered letter, respond to it, and wait for the approval every time I wanted a new website set up. It would be a huge pain for legal businesses/individuals and a minor speed bump for criminals.
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| Whatta Maroon! Dear Ted:
I would have thought that you'd learned not to go sticking your nose into that which you know absolutely nothing about, particulary since you were the laughingstock of the Internet for quite awhile after the "tubes" incident. But then I realized that cluelessness pretty much encompasses your ::ENTIRE:: life and career, so no surprise here now. | |
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| Lobbyists Im totally convinced that Ted Stevens is blatently owned by lobbyists and dosn't give a damn if you know it or not. Somebody put this in his head. But I can't figure out what industry / company would be in favor of this in concept? The only people who will gain from this are spammers! That's their primary feeding ground when generating email addresses. Who else would benefit from these suggestions? There must be more in the bill that we are overlooking.
By the way, Stevens is also one of the two guys who backed the infamous "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska in which an island with a population of 50 was going to be connected to Ketchikan (ummm, that's an island too) by a bridge larger than the Golden Gate Bridge for a price tag of $223 million!!! Even the islanders didn't want it because of what it would do to the environment. Bush even signed off on it but it eventually died late last year. »dir.salon.com/story/news/feature···bridges/ | |
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