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join:2007-11-16
Endicott, NY | How 'unlimited' Just wondering.
I've heard sprint is much better about data than Verizon, but I would be very curious to know about any of those unlimitations. | |
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join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON | Re: How 'unlimited' True unlimited does not exist with large companies anymore. Sorry. =P | |
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join:2002-09-08
Atlanta, GA | If PSC Metro can do it for $45 why is the price $100+? | |
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join:2001-07-20
Saint Paul, MN
clubs: | Re: How 'unlimited' because Metro PCS has a network about 1/10th the size of Sprint. All those towers cost a lot of money, especially in rural areas where Metro has none. Also, as a Metro customer, unlimited is only on network. | |
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join:2002-09-08
Atlanta, GA | Re: How 'unlimited' If the towers / satellites are in place ANY company can lease them!!! Companies do not have their own towers...LMAOAU | |
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join:2001-07-20
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| Re: How 'unlimited' Not sure which cell company today uses satellites for comms. Iriduum used to. If a compnay wants to use another companies towers, they have to pay handsomely for the privelige of doing so. What is your point? You are WRONG that companies don't own any of their towers. It is true that some have been sold off, but most of the towers in their native network are owned by them. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: How 'unlimited' The towers may be owned by one or more companies, however it is required by law they be leased to competitors.
CAN you picture 3 towers side by side, how eye sore would that be? | |
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join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
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| Re: How 'unlimited' said by CatchingSpy  :The towers may be owned by one or more companies, however it is required by law they be leased to competitors. CAN you picture 3 towers side by side, how eye sore would that be? That's right and METRO PCS means just that METRO. Look at Detroit. Calling area is a joke. Go outside the "metro" area too far and your SOL. That's why MPCS can charge half the price for less then 1/10th the footprint. If they were "serious" about providing service, they would rent the tower space.. Oh wait.. then they would have to charge more.. Nope.. not going to happen.. yet.
As a user of Sprint and the data portion for a couple years now, unlimited means just that. Without going into specifics, I blow the 5GB cap away in 2 weeks. Sprint has not every sent me a "stop it" letter. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: How 'unlimited' That is disguesting... | |
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RadioDoc
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Chicago, IL | Re: How 'unlimited' That is nationwide. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Second line ! How much to add a second line ? Because if its $20 or less , Im heading over to sprint. I will resell my voyagers on ebay after the verizon disconnect fee.
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| Re: Second line ! Answered my own question , went to web chat with a rep. They don't allow another phone on plan.
If they could give me it for $125 with 2 phones I would jump on it in a heartbeat. Other then that I see no need.
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Second line ! Wouldn't that be like smuggling a friend in under your jacket while visiting a buffet restaurant?  | |
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They both suck, we're so screwed
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Philly burbs | Re: Second line ! Did somebody say, buffet? | |
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| Re: Second line ! Right... I'm pretty sure most buffets charge per head; you don't get a discount for bringing more mouths in the door. Sprint's actually giving a tiny discount if you bring mouths (and fingers I guess, for text service) in the door with you. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Second line ! "Buffet" and "decent dinner" do not belong in the same sentence. Probably not even the same paragraph.
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Davenport, FL | Re: Second line ! Normally I would agree, however there is an exception - Cape May Cafe in Disney. They have an excellent Buffet for $25 per head. | |
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join:2007-09-17
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| Not strong enough They need to undercut competitors. They should have an $80/month voice and then option to upgrade to $100/month unlimited everything.
BTW, the deal doesn't include PAM/DUN tethering.
This isn't going to attract millions of customers. An $80/month unlimited voice might. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Not strong enough Agreed. If I used cell phone data, I'd think $100 for both was a great deal, but since I only use voice, it doesn't look so hot. | |
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@vt.edu
| Economics First, they should have an unlimited $80, that would seal the deal for them.
Second, The $100 price is a deal. Simple economics says that they will make alot of money off of this. But we all know it isn't quite that ideal.
Besides an unlimited anything plan for $100 is more appeasing to customers that don't need all that voice because of the other services | |
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join:2005-10-18
Phoenix, AZ | MAybe It might attract more then most know if the extra line isn't outragous | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: MAybe no extra line here. You can't add one. Or at least thats what they told me this morning. | |
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Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Sounds interesting.. I wonder if the "data" inclusion would include tethering the phone to a laptop.
I'll have to check that out. | |
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Sounds interesting.. No, it doesn't. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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Margate City, NJ
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|  Financials killing them and losing customers as well
Sprint Nextel Corp. posted a dramatic $29.5 billion fourth-quarter loss even as it unveiled an unlimited wireless plan in a bid to stem the flood of subscriber defections.
The Overland Park, Kan., company also borrowed $2.5 billion under its revolving credit facility to increase financial flexibility, suspended dividend payments and admitted that business conditions are deteriorating, more difficult than expected and unlikely to improve soon.
Chief Executive Dan Hesse told analysts in a Thursday conference call. "We are taking the customer defection issue seriously." The company expects the turnover rate to rise 20 to 30 basis points in the first quarter as it loses another 1.2 million post-paid subscribers, and the rate isn't expected to improve in the second quarter, said acting Chief Financial Officer William Arendt. The loss of 1.2 million in the first quarter is roughly equal to the total loss Sprint had in all of 2007.
The news sent Sprint shares down as much as 13% to $7.75, their lowest levels since October 2002. The stock recently traded at $8.30, down 7.3% from its close Wednesday of $8.95. Unlimited calling plans won't save Sprint. Especially since AT&T and Verizon matched them. Sprint may have to merge with someone to stay alive.
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join:2000-03-08
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| Re: Financials killing them and losing customers as well said by TK Junk Mail :» money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/art···UNE5.htmSprint Nextel Corp. posted a dramatic $29.5 billion fourth-quarter loss even as it unveiled an unlimited wireless plan in a bid to stem the flood of subscriber defections.
The Overland Park, Kan., company also borrowed $2.5 billion under its revolving credit facility to increase financial flexibility, suspended dividend payments and admitted that business conditions are deteriorating, more difficult than expected and unlikely to improve soon.
Chief Executive Dan Hesse told analysts in a Thursday conference call. "We are taking the customer defection issue seriously." The company expects the turnover rate to rise 20 to 30 basis points in the first quarter as it loses another 1.2 million post-paid subscribers, and the rate isn't expected to improve in the second quarter, said acting Chief Financial Officer William Arendt. The loss of 1.2 million in the first quarter is roughly equal to the total loss Sprint had in all of 2007.
The news sent Sprint shares down as much as 13% to $7.75, their lowest levels since October 2002. The stock recently traded at $8.30, down 7.3% from its close Wednesday of $8.95. Unlimited calling plans won't save Sprint. Especially since AT&T and Verizon matched them. Sprint may have to merge with someone to stay alive. AT&T and Verzion is voice only for $99.
Sprint's is Voice, Data, GPS, TXT, TV and Direct Connect (2-way). | |
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Phoenix, AZ | Re: Financials killing them and losing customers as well I think your math might be wrong 99 + 20 -5 is not 94 | |
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Miami, FL | and T-mobile? | |
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join:2007-09-17 | Sprint will easily stay alive, they may just become a smaller company. They are a $40B company, bigger than Intel, Apple, Coca-Cola and Disney. Even if they lose millions more customers, they'll still likely be bigger than these companies. | |
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MattE
Obama '08
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | A $29.5 BILLION 4th QUARTER loss?
How do you lose $30 billion dollars in a single quarter? Wow. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Financials killing them and losing customers as well Fraud, usually ;p Their revenue was almost $10 billion, so somehow they blew $39 billion dollars in 3 months. I have no idea how they spend so much money. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| said by MattE :A $29.5 BILLION 4th QUARTER loss? How do you lose $30 billion dollars in a single quarter? Wow. They wrote off the books much of the money they paid for Nextel, because that was a total losing proposition and they lost money on the takeover.
Sprint reported a net loss of $29.45 billion - more than the company's market capitalization - or $10.36 a share, compared with net income $261 million, or 9 cents a share, a year earlier. Results for Sprint included a $29.7 billion goodwill write-down.
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Obama '08
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Financials killing them and losing customers as well said by TK Junk Mail :said by MattE :A $29.5 BILLION 4th QUARTER loss? How do you lose $30 billion dollars in a single quarter? Wow. They wrote off the books much of the money they paid for Nextel, because that was a total losing proposition and they lost money on the takeover. Sprint reported a net loss of $29.45 billion - more than the company's market capitalization - or $10.36 a share, compared with net income $261 million, or 9 cents a share, a year earlier. Results for Sprint included a $29.7 billion goodwill write-down. Now that makes sense. Thanks for the additional info. Hrm ... if Sprint drops any lower I may buy a few shares for kicks. | |
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join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME
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| So it was a goodwill write off. It was money they overpaid for Nextel. It was money already spent. So they really could have turned a profit but strategically chose to write off the goodwill in the last quarter of the year.
I am too lazy to check their balance sheet. | |
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| AT&T & Verizon didn't match, it was Sprint's idea first, Verizon and T-mobile just jumped on the idea faster...which is the nature of the business of course...but to make Sprint's pot more sweeter, thier plan includes unlimited text (SMS & MMS), voice, GPS, Sprint Music, Sprint TV, Internet browsing on IDEN & CDMA networks...(IDEN = Push to talk) on all phones including Blackberry's whereas Verizon's unlimited plan doesn't even include Blackberry's...please do more research on the plan before you offcer suggestions on the company's next steps...it is indeed a great deal for the variety of services it provides... | |
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Premium
join:2003-11-22
Springville, AL | Yay for Sprint. Do we also get unlimited sub-par customer service or do we get still get the boot for billing incompetence? | |
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Follow Me
join:2001-02-25
Philadelphia, PA
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| AT&T 's Unlimited Plan (See additional Lines) Family Rate Plan Details
Monthly Cost for first two lines $199.99
Additional lines $99.99 per line
Anytime Minutes Unlimited
Night & Weekend minutes Unlimited
Mobile to Mobile minutes Unlimited
Long Distance $0.00
Roaming Charges $0.00
Additional minutes $.00 per minute
One-time activation fee $36.00
Additional lines (2-5) activation fee $26.00
Contract length 2 years
Wow that is way too much!!!!!
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: AT&T 's Unlimited Plan (See additional Lines) I agree... these plans are way to expensive for me.
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Common Sense Dictates
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join:2002-08-19
Richmond, VA
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| said by mike417 :Wow that is way too much!!!!! Agreed! I've got four phones on their Family Plan now and that's bad enough. I can't justify nearly $400 a month for telephone service, especially with no data attached. I'm not impressed.
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join:2007-11-11
Erie, PA
| I have to agree. As I watch the Fed and analysts talking about recession, about rising gas and food prices, I think to myself that the next big crunch after the housing market is going to be the bloated service market. People are going to rethink how much those bloated cable, internet, and cell phone services are worth to them.
I already would like to lose my cable bill. I couldn't be bothered with the cost of a cell phone, let alone at $100 a month. My internet is reasonable at under $30 a month. My Vonage is also under $30 a month. But cable is pushing $60 a month and they keep pushing more content into the upper, higher priced tiers. Satellite isn't much better, if not worse once you get past the intro rates. | |
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join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
·Comcast
| What 's the big deal. I would like to see Verizon offer the same plan that Sprint offered in January of 2003. That is when I signed up with Sprint. They offered the following plan with Two Handsets for $85.00 per month:
1)2000 Minutes (For most customers 2000 Minutes is almost unlimited)
2)Unlimited Text Messaging and Picture uploading and downloading.
3)Unlimited Web Access
4)Use either handset as a Modem at 1X Speed.
5)Unlimited PCS to PCS Calling
The cost to add unlimited night and weekends for as many handsets as were on the plan was $10.00 per month.
6)To add unlimited roaming cost $5.00 per month per handset.
So for $105.00 per month plus crap charges, I had the above service on two handsets.
I had to give up the plan because Sprint did not provide a signal at my new residence. I had to switch to Verizon.
So why are the new plans such a big deal! | |
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In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| I assume Blackbery is extra..... If this included Blackberry data, then this would truly be a great deal as every business would buy it. Unfortunately, I am 99% sure that BB data plans still need to be layered on top of this.
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join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL | Too little, too late The latest results mark the end for Sprint. Watch for a them to start selling off starting with the Nextel network. | |
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join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
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| Re: Too little, too late That would be a god-send to what business customers Nextel has left. Sprint purchased Nextel then started to transform the company into what they thought it should be. Nextel was just fine at doing what they did best (except text messaging  ) provide top notch customer service to high value customers. When they went to Sprint it seemed like they did not care at all that there were businesses' paying thousands of dollars a month for many lines, just treated them like any other Sprint customer.
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join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| Re: Too little, too late I guess it depends on where you are. Nextel sucked before Sprint and they still suck after Sprint. We were actually hoping Sprint would unscrew them down here.
Still get dropped calls (which I call and complain on each and every time), direct connect is getting worse each day, I'm lucky to get text messages and if I do it's usually 8 hours from when the person sent them.
Why won't Sprint cancel me for being a high maintenance users like they have other people?
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | Unlimited Everything* * Everything does not include fees, taxes, unfees, and surcharges. | |
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@comcast.net | Re: Unlimited Everything* Can you get your Corporate Discount off of the $99.99/mo price? If so, that's a good 15-25% depending on which company you work for! | |
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join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT | No bill ever includes taxes, and Sprint only has one non-fee which if I remember correctly is going away in a month as a result of their settlement in a lawsuit. | |
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join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | ha... make it unlimited talk for $50 and you have a deal that would get a lot of switchers to sprint... but gawd $99? if they said no to verizon they definatly are gona say no to sprint too | |
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join:2004-02-15
Roseville, CA
| Umm... Seems to be some confusion here as Sprint's data plan IS unlimited. By the way, if tethering is a make or break deal for you, just get a phone that doesn't report it as tethering. I burn 20-40GB's a month at least (tethered right now in fact) tethering with my Mogul, and did it for years before using my 6700. I've never been billed for an overage and only have the $15 data plan.
I think it's a decent deal actually, especially when you consider that Sprint is pretty good about offering a number of different discounts. | |
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| Unlimited is not a new thing... Unlimited / “Flat-Rate” wireless plans are not a new thing to the industry…The first Unlimited Wireless Voice Plan that I am aware of started around December of 2002 when AT&T Wireless launched their new GSM network and were trying to encourage users to move away from their legacy TDMA network. The plan was offered at $99.99 per month for Unlimited Wireless Minutes. Both myself personally and a few others I know remain on the plan to date. Secondly, Sprint / Nextel had been offering an Unlimited Voice Plan on the Nextel network about the last 2 Years and only recently stopped offering the plan.
There is a lot of speculation about the impact of these plans in the industry and my personal assessment of the situation is that these plans are being offered more as a media stunt to get attention and will most likely discontinue within the next few months. Wireless Service Providers thrive on people going over their monthly minutes or only using a fraction of what they are paying for and they just love “pay-per-use” features like text messaging…Billing a customer $0.20 per text message to a user that did not even solicit is a gold mine. I could go on for hours about this…
Only a select group of consumers can rationalize spending $100 per month for their monthly service. According to the Aberdeen Group Report from June of 2007 called “Wireless Mobility Expense Optimization” corporations are spending an average of $124.50 per month per user and would be spending 40% less per month if they were managing their services more closely. If corporations were spending the 40% less or $72.40 per user per month, increasing to the $99.99 unlimited plan would increase their monthly spend by at least $42.00 per user (includes tax which equals about 15% depending on the region). That does not even include a data plans or email which would add another $45.00 per month. As an example I personally am moving over to the AT&T Unlimited Plan and will be including the email and data plan which means my bill will be about $170.00 per month which is lot of cash for the average consumer or business. The only way I can justify this much is because I use on average at least 3,500 minutes per month, I spend a great deal of time outside of the office and I am addicted to talking on my phone.
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| Re: Unlimited is not a new thing... Actually there was a company in Cleveland in 2000 called North Coast PCS, and it offered unlimited Text and Voice and internets..
it is now called Revol, and is expanding quickly across the midwest,
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Sprint Unveils $99 'Unlimited Everything' Plan
) but give it some time and less the AHole ceo for vzw does next. I need some popcorn.. this is gonna get good 
Its still too much for me