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Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11 | Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Maybe Comcast could just do rolling connection blackouts during peak times to save their poor overloaded network.  | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... I'm glad to be using indie DSL-Extreme.
I have VERY little issue with the connection as long as AT&T doesn't mess with the line.
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@swbell.net
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Wrong, it hands off at Layer 1, copper pair. Since in the USA almost all competitor ISPs must provide their own DSLAMs/termination modems. This isn't Canada where you get 1 fiber optic cable with all of your customers' ATM PVCs on it. | |
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Here We Go Again.
join:2004-06-13
Saint Charles, MO
| Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... said by patcat88  :Wrong, it hands off at Layer 1, copper pair. Since in the USA almost all competitor ISPs must provide their own DSLAMs/termination modems. This isn't Canada where you get 1 fiber optic cable with all of your customers' ATM PVCs on it. Wrong. Very few "providers" have their own equipment. They would rather piggyback off of the companies that actually build networks! Hnading off at the cable pair would require the non-LEC ISP's to have DSLAMS in every central office. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Thats why there is a CLEC like Covad, but Covad and its clones have no interest in throttling. Ma bell does. The CLECs will present a aggregated interface to the ISP. | |
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stfu
@sbc.com
| said by patcat88 :Wrong, it hands off at Layer 1, copper pair. Since in the USA almost all competitor ISPs must provide their own DSLAMs/termination modems. This isn't Canada where you get 1 fiber optic cable with all of your customers' ATM PVCs on it. You have no idea what you are talking about. I worked on wholesale DSL for nearly a decade in SBC/ATT. The wholesale subscribers are handed off to the independent ISPs at the ATM level. | |
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Carbon Based Lifeform
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Sshh, don't give them ideas. | |
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FicmanS
Premium
join:2005-01-11
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Man you would think the Comcast folks would get tired of seeing all these reports... Maybe it's just me... | |
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join:2004-05-19
Morgantown, WV | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... I am tired of it, but what am I going to do? It's comcast, dialup, or no internet. Those are the choices. Comcast knows this, so why should they care? | |
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Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs: | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... That was how it was for me for a very long time, finally FIOS became available and away I went.
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Dook?
join:2005-01-28
Jacksonville, FL
| I'm in pretty much the same boat. I had DSL, but it was so flakey that I just had to give it the boot. So yeah, I have Comcast, but its only because its the only thing I could get around here. That and it was only 10 bucks more than my DSL for a lot more speed. | |
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join:2007-01-15
Hampton, NH
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| Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Or if Congress and the likes of MS and Google are able to push through more open access. No even better let the NSA get involved. Once they decide that faster and more reliable broadband coast to coast is in the interest of National Security then Comcast (and the others will put up or disappear. 
Remember the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency was set up after the Soviet Union beat the U.S. into space with Sputnik. Its mission was to prevent "technological surprise."
If Uncle Sam says "give em them the best (before the Russians beat us to it again)"...
I'm kidding of course. I have Comcast. Had Verizon DSL and it sucked and cable was about the same price (cheaper with intro rate). I average 6-7 pass through and 4 while surfing with peak spikes of 15 -21. I'm not seeing a huge difference in downloading video or streaming (which could be the source servers) but over all it is faster.
Comcast should stop micro managing the bandwidth and just focus on new subscribers or they'll lose even more market share to FiOS. Ok I'm out of oxygen. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... said by puffgussy36 :Comcast should stop micro managing the bandwidth and just focus on new subscribers or they'll lose even more market share to FiOS. Ok I'm out of oxygen. Comcast isn't loosing any serious amount of customers to FIOS. What about all the Comcast markets in ATT/Qwest land? They will never see FIOS (or more generically, FTTP). Next issue, Joe Six Pack doesn't care about speed, its not something he can rationalize. Next, people don't like change. Next people will take the cheaper product, retention offers will do wonders. | |
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join:2007-01-15
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·Comcast
2 edits | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... said by patcat88 Comcast isn't loosing any serious amount of customers to FIOS. What about all the Comcast markets in ATT/Qwest land? They will never see FIOS (or more generically, FTTP). Next issue, Joe Six Pack doesn't care about speed, its not something he can rationalize. Next, people don't like change. Next people will take the cheaper product, retention offers will do wonders. | |
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Scree
In the pipe 5 by 5
join:2001-04-24
Mount Laurel, NJ | They will care when many start to go no internet. lol | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| said by FicmanS :Man you would think the Comcast folks would get tired of seeing all these reports... Maybe it's just me... Odd thing, I'm not had a problem (like the one posted) or seen any RESET messages since going to CC a month ago. I spend a lot of time on the internet so I would think I would have seen something by now.  | |
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join:2002-04-10
| Better idea, why not just bill people and provide no service but lots of promises. Basically, let's advertise say 20mbit download with burstable speeds for X amount a month. In reality, give customers a line that doesn't work and still bill them for it. Why not. Essentially, this is what Comcraptic is doing anyway. They are providing a useless line that now interferes with activities (legal and not) that the customer chooses. I guess since Comcast is now the watchdog, the *AA's should sue them when it comes to customer's usage. Since they feel the need to play police, by all means, let them take the fall when their methods still allow traffic to occur. | |
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Since then Joe Six Pack and grandma will drop the service. Then CC is in deep trouble. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by BabyBear :Maybe Comcast could just do rolling connection blackouts during peak times to save their poor overloaded network. Or how about this novel idea: UPGRADE THEIR NETWORK!
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Rollin.. Rollin.. Rollin... Increase speed without upgrading, then turn on throttling to surpress the congestion created by the speed upgrade. Perfect idea. | |
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA
| On the other hand... (thinking more after submitting) 100 SYN packets per second to the same address is what most engineers would consider a SYN flood. Knocking it down is a good thing.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: On the other hand... (thinking more after submitting) said by Cabal :100 SYN packets per second to the same address is what most engineers would consider a SYN flood. Knocking it down is a good thing. Except they still do barely anything about the SPAM coming from infected systems on the Comcast network. | |
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bleearg13
join:2001-03-03
Gaithersburg, MD
| said by Cabal :Knocking it down is a good thing. Except when you have folks with the Fasterfox Add-on for Firefox that can be used to tweak the number of sessions opened per page. | |
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luminaire
Premium
join:2005-03-22
Oakville, ON
clubs:
| Re: On the other hand... (thinking more after submitting) said by espaeth :said by Cabal :100 SYN packets per second to the same address is what most engineers would consider a SYN flood. Exactly - this will trip DoS mitigation hardware from Cisco, Tipping Point, Checkpoint, Arbor, etc. What next? If I make several connection attempts to DoD network addresses Comcast dispatches the FBI to throttle my connection by taking my hardware? The number of unrelated events that we can relate to Comcast throttling are endless - time to get creative people! We have to make a decision, and I think this should be one of those opt-out kind of deals. On the one hand you have a vast multitude of users who have infected computers, and don't know how to control them. On the other hand you have users who may generate traffic that fits the traffic profile of an infected box, but it legitimate. For the sake of protecting the stability of the internet there should be an option to deploy this type of attack mitigation (syn rate limiting) tech to protect home users. Power users or techs should have a way to opt out and of this and simply get the dumb pipe we all have been craving for lately. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by Cabal :100 SYN packets per second to the same address is what most engineers would consider a SYN flood. Knocking it down is a good thing. Doesn't Windows XP in most cases (post-SP2 anyway) have a limit of 10 half-open SYN sessions?
So, in reality, the only people this would affect, is the people who have hacked out that limitation ... which is almost guaranteed to be Johnny Bittorrent and his uber leet buddies who think setting uTorrent to 6000 sessions means faster downloads? | |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| RST the RST's hmm perhaps that why some 'normally regular' sites are not opening on the first or second try..
When will this madness end?
FCC? not likely
Customers? Most won't notice it or care.
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Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| Re: RST the RST's said by pokesph : Most won't notice it or care. And there you have your corporate mantra on screwing your customer (Emperor's Club excluded)! | |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| how to control your network in 3 easy steps 1.invent a "bandwidth hogging" bogeyman that can be claimed to be disrupting "regular" customers and using up "scarce" bandwidth
2. put into place equipment that can see what is going across the network and "break" any attempt to use P2P applications
3. after weathering the resultant storm of publicity, quietly implement the full spectrum of "deep packet inspection" capabilities as "regular" network management.
then, just sit back and block, delay or otherwise interfere with any activity that costs the company money or keeps them from making money. | |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
 ·surpasshosting
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| huh? This seems like a pretty cursory examination to me (7 paragraphs and a few screenshots?)
I haven't noticed any changes in web browsing, file downloads, games, or anything else in my Comcast connection -- if all this nefarious packet tinkering is going on it would certainly be disruptive. Hopefully someone will dig deeper and find out exactly what's going on. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: huh? I am vindicated! | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27 | Codename: "Sir Lagalot"
A New Comcast Network Protocol management! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
2 edits | All traffic? Uhm... ok.
Why is it that on Blast 16mbps service I still see 17+mbps download and ~2.2mbps upload consistently?
EDIT: Bolded the question so everyone can see that all I did was ask a simple question.
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SparkChaser
BURY BECK
Premium
join:2000-06-06
Downingtown, PA | Testing on Saturday I think they were forging all the packets on Saturday because it looked like nothing was there.  | |
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SgtPoopalot
@robertmorris.edu | Seems to affect online gaming I am a hard core FPS gamer, and I think my intermittant game freezes are because of this as well. | |
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stunod2002
join:2003-11-07
Carol Stream, IL | Sounds like Sat. With all this reset stuff and dropping of connections Comcast is starting to be no better that Satellite.. Sure the speed is great. while you have it. At least with Sat. you know when you are going to get whacked.. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| 100 SYN? Nothing but bittorrent generates 100 SYN packets that quickly. So, essentially, they are just stating that if you generate 100 SYN packets WITH ANY PROTOCOL, not just Bittorrent, Comcast is sending fake TCP RSTs. So if you try and establish 100 session to a website (or 1 session to 100 different websites) they'll start throwing TCP RST flags on your sessions.
This won't be noticed by the majority of users out there, as nothing really but bittorrent attempts to open 100 sessions at once. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| Re: 100 SYN? said by Matt :This won't be noticed by the majority of users out there, as nothing really but bittorrent attempts to open 100 sessions at once. I would imagine that business users where there's more than a handful of computers could do this with "normal" traffic. Or perhaps a large family with a bunch of kids + computers. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: 100 SYN? said by sporkme :said by Matt :This won't be noticed by the majority of users out there, as nothing really but bittorrent attempts to open 100 sessions at once. I would imagine that business users where there's more than a handful of computers could do this with "normal" traffic. Or perhaps a large family with a bunch of kids + computers. Business users is a good point. I also didn't think about a decent sized family of 4 or more computers. Hell 3 simultaneous users connecting to MySpace with it's gazillion separate sessions would eat up 100 in no time I bet. | |
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banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL
·Comcast
1 edit | Interesting... I've been having a number of new issues with my Comcast connection lately that could be symtompatic of that kind of network management. I'm now getting a high number of "connection was reset" errors while web browsing, and talking via Skype or playing games online has become a constant stream of disconnections and sync problems.
Then again, all I know is what I see. | |
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GTaylor
Premium
join:2002-12-14
Frisco, TX
clubs:
| Wonder if Road Runner is doing the same because as of Thursday I've hit a wall on my browser, it'll work for about 2 minutes then all of a sudden will lag, Firefox will show 60-75 second connections to certain sites(popular and lesser known). All anti-virus/rootkit/adware scans came up empty and system resources seemed normal. | |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL | Re: Wonder if Road Runner is doing the same I haven't seen any issues with my RR connection down here in Texas, yet. But you can guarentee the moment I do i'll probably be looking into a DS1 just for file-sharing use. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| I noticed the same, or a similar phenomenon intermittently on the weekend on RR. One should not be too quick to attribute it to traffic shaping, though. There could have been other network problems. If it persists or gets worse I will look into it more. | |
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Hehe
@ssa.gov | "protocol agnostic" At least they are now "protocol agnostic"!
Should I switch to FIOS? | |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| i say the FCC should impose heavy fines just as the EU does, ignoring any thought/policy/political differences between the US and EU. Maybe it is getting to be the time to clearly define what 'network nuetrality', 'reasonable network management', and internet QoS standards for various connection types and speeds.
It wouldn't blow my mind if other ISPs start pulling crap like this. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
1 edit | I have a friend who is a Electronic Engineer.....
Like Comcast a Kumquat looks good on the outside but is bitter on the inside. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
1 edit | Re: I have a friend who is a Electronic Engineer..... How do you use TCP resets to close a UDP-based RTP stream?
Edit: I noticed you said Skype conference mode, which isn't really VoIP, in the same way that TeamSpeak isn't technically VoIP. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: I have a friend who is a Electronic Engineer..... I've had VERY good luck using Skypeout with a bluetooth headset for teleconference calls. I have a 3Mbps/512kbps DSL line and it works VERY well 99% of the time.
The few times that I have issues are typically from heavy bandwidth use spikes (download/upload) or CPU spikes.
I've even had a session work decently when tunneled over SSH to a and connection sent through web squid proxy server.
Lastly, I had a VPN tunnel then port forwarded through an SSH session to a squid proxy server, and it STILL worked (many hickups though... due to VPN performance).
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | Lol, I've actually heard that on some earlier codec stuff I worked on .... Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-max Head-d-d--d-droom! | |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Is this your typical Comcast user? Data collection methodology
We synthetically generated TCP SYN packets at a rate of 100 SYN packets per second using the hping utility [3].
Don't think so.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 |  (topic offline) Throw a fuc*king positive spin on this one Rick
This entire topic was removed, either temporarily, or permanently.
stated reason was: | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| I'm curious.. how many who are seeing this have recently upgraded to the new Firefox?
This seems to have started for me after the last release.
Wonder if there's any tie in with that?
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join:2004-11-09
Fairfield, PA
| Re: I'm curious.. lets start to suspend contracts to/from comcast for every area they choose to **** with, and allow a competitor to wire the area and see how they like it. ok comcast u wanna mess with my area lets rip up your contract and let verizon fios to wire the area and you will lose 125,000 subs to due bad habits on their part. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| said by Rick :how many who are seeing this have recently upgraded to the new Firefox? This seems to have started for me after the last release. Wonder if there's any tie in with that? I have noticed for the first time I am having trouble with websites rendering properly in FireFox. Most of the time is flash animation. I have all of the necessary software to run them, I have the extension which controls how they open, I give it permission to run and still nothing. When I switch over to IE, or Safari (for Windows) no problem.
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
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| Re: I'm curious.. said by Transmaster :I have noticed for the first time I am having trouble with websites rendering properly in FireFox. Most of the time is flash animation. I have all of the necessary software to run them, I have the extension which controls how they open, I give it permission to run and still nothing. When I switch over to IE, or Safari (for Windows) no problem. Was this using 2.0.0.13 or the new 3.0 Beta? I've been
using the former and have noticed a few sites here and there
that didn't seem to want to load properly or at all using
Firefox. I haven't tried any of them with IE. This is with
AT&T U-Verse, BTW.
I've even seen problems with this site (mostly 502 page
construction timeouts and the like), but have attributed
that more to heavy user load here than a possible bug with
Firefox.
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: | Re: I'm curious.. 2.0.0.13 is what I'm using. And, as noted above, the problem seems to trace back to just about the same time I started using it.
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
Premium
join:2000-03-14
Aubrey, TX | all this without All this crap, and they don't even have DOCSIS 3.0 yet. Wait until you see what they do then! | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: all this without said by dadkins :Uhm... ok. Why is it that on Blast 16mbps service I still see 17+mbps download and ~2.2mbps upload consistently? EDIT: Bolded the question so everyone can see that all I did was ask a simple question. Maybe you're in a non problematic area
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: all this without A distinct possibility.
Thank you for a concise answer!  | |
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join:2007-08-30
Jersey City, NJ | If by the end of the year Comcast's solution involves anything remotely related to caps or $ per gigabyte schemes; I will cancel immediately and move to Fios. | |
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University of Colorado Researchers Retract Claims
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