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2008-Apr-10 10:38 am
Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....They were rolling out their fiber network in the Columbus ohio area in 1997 I believe.
While I give verizon kudos for their big investment..it is one out of sheer necessity and was about 10 years late to the fiber party IMHO. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....Ohh come on! Give me a break.
They may have fiber in their network, but it does not go to the house and it does nothing like FIOS.
You love stretching the truth, huh? and let me guess, you work in the bullshit errrrr... i mean marketing department i bet. | |
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2008-Apr-10 10:59 am
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by probboy:For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by hopeflicker:said by probboy:For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. You don't understand basic marketing tactics do you? TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. If FIOS didn't have ads touting fiber as the godsend of the internet then TW wouldn't have to tout the fact that their network contains more of this magical substance in their commercials. It's not bullshit at all. TW's network contains more fiber. It's a 100% factual statement. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....Maybe I'm being to obvious with this statment. Perhaps you can show us some information on how you arrived at a conclusion that TW has more fiber than Verizon. You do realize that TW is not in the same league when it comes to fiber route miles when going against Verizon and AT&T. | |
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said by Qumahlin:TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. Fiber is better. I've had Fios for a couple of years in one of my homes at the 15mb/2mb tier and trust me - it's faster than TW Cable ANY day. You could seriously run a production server off that thing. (we don't...) The only cable broadband to even get close to the speed and reliability I got from Fios is RCN Cable up in NYC. Those guys rock. As far as TW Cable? they're the worst cable company I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with when it comes to performance - their service crawls. Only Comcast can compete with them for the prestigious spot of #1 sucky ISP. Seriously though, Verizon totally sucks when it comes to billing, and probably a lot of other aspects too.. but when it comes to delivering fast internet service I have nothing but good things to say. Also- you can be sure that when the guys up at TW decide to start capping high usage users, Verizon will be there to scoop the customers up! Did I mention I hate Verizon's billing department yet?? | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by nitzan:The only cable broadband to even get close to the speed and reliability I got from Fios is RCN Cable up in NYC. Those guys rock. As far as TW Cable? they're the worst cable company I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with when it comes to performance - their service crawls. Only Comcast can compete with them for the prestigious spot of #1 sucky ISP. RCN is better because they have a higher node density/less people on each node. Their network was HFC from day 1. Not retrofitted like TWC. Also RCN built their network as a Metro Ethernet provider with the expectation of being able to be a business grade last mile provider. If I can Verizon I would have bought RCN, rebranded, and slowly upgraded to a PON architecture. RCN has lots of spare fiber, I see Toilet Paper roll thick fiber on poles in NYC. | |
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said by Qumahlin:said by hopeflicker:said by probboy:For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. You don't understand basic marketing tactics do you? TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. If FIOS didn't have ads touting fiber as the godsend of the internet then TW wouldn't have to tout the fact that their network contains more of this magical substance in their commercials. It's not bullshit at all. TW's network contains more fiber. It's a 100% factual statement. no, it's your typical misleading marketing bullshit. TW is comparing their fiber to Verizon. They are basically saying "hey, look! we have fiber too. Sign up today" nothing but misleading BS! | |
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But not an inch of it goes right to someone's house. | |
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said by hopeflicker:said by probboy:For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. Another VZ fanboy/troll .. Ok sorry.. But VZ's deployment of FIOS is isn't something to brage about. Ok, it's in Podoke NJ or another market that has been and still is mostly VZ. They could spend 20 billion and still scratch the market. WHY? Because they don't have the balls to see it through (sounds like Sprint). In my area, I have Comcast, WOW and AT&T offering cable/internet service. Thinkt he fastest is 10mbps but doesn't really matter. If I want TRUE digital HD tv, I'll go get a dish and slap in on my roof. If I want fast internet.. for some of us who have been living in the 4-8mbps range, 15 sounds good but since it's from VZ.. I'll pass and live with my comcrap service that makes me happy so far. Yes that's right. I'm not a VZ fan. Wireless, LL or cable/HSI.. I've worked with MANY VZ co techs in the past so based on how they do buisness, the company just isn't worth the time of day. JMO.. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....You apparently haven't experienced the joys of weather-related satellite service interruptions... | |
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2008-Apr-13 11:38 pm
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....No, I haven't.. but there are 2 on top of homes right next door to me. The one guy has his on his 1st level roof, said he had some "jitters" during a windy storm (lots of trees that could have caused this). The other guy, had it for 3 years said he's never had anything go wrong except when his tuner failed. I'm sure that short of a flock of 747's flying over or some squirrel parking is big fat butt in front of the LNB device, signal dropouts seem to be few if not far far between. Heck, I'm sure it's more reliable then my VoIP service I had with plutorocket (aka sunrocket). | |
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said by probboy:For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. What a loaded statement. Of course they don't care about the logistics, but what those logistics translate to are exactly what people care about. The further away from the home the fiber terminates, the more crowded the copper network and the harder it is to reliably provide feature-rich services. | |
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I would disagree with that. While they do not care how it gets to them, they do care how often there is a problem. In all the years I have had cable internet (beta tester for it years ago) through all the companies (some went bankrupt or bought out and I move a lot) the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues. It is very likely that moving to Docsis 3.0 will probably exacerbate these issues further (based on the history that every time speed increases the specs tighten for "good signal"). From that perspective I think upgrading to Docsis 3.0 is probably throwing good money after bad. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by Lazlow:the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues How exactly would FTTH eliminate problems between you and the headend/CO? It's not like the fiber goes straight to the Verizon CO with no equipment on it. The problems will be in the same place, between you and the headend. Fiber is not immune to signal issues either, just outside interference issues. | |
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2008-Apr-10 8:10 pm
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....Fiber is far more robust than copper. While it is not without problems they are far fewer than copper. They are not nearly as susceptible to temperature and environment changes. There is a reason that even the cable companies use Fiber. It works. | |
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said by smcallah:said by Lazlow:the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues How exactly would FTTH eliminate problems between you and the headend/CO? It's not like the fiber goes straight to the Verizon CO with no equipment on it. The problems will be in the same place, between you and the headend. Fiber is not immune to signal issues either, just outside interference issues. Um, there is nothing in between you and the head end except for welded splices and 1 optical splitter. With HFC, DC power injectors, a fiber node, 2-10 amplifiers, 100s of taps and threaded connectors waiting to rust and get rained on. Wanna play copper last mile roulette? | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by patcat88:[Um, there is nothing in between you and the head end except for welded splices and 1 optical splitter. With HFC, DC power injectors, a fiber node, 2-10 amplifiers, 100s of taps and threaded connectors waiting to rust and get rained on. Wanna play copper last mile roulette? I don't get your point. You act as if when something in the cable plant breaks that they won't fix it. How exactly is it playing roulette if they're going to fix it? "Oh, that tap doesn't work anymore? Just leave it, those people can do without TV, Phone, and Internet, who cares?" No, they don't care about the revenue at all, they'll let everything break and not fix it... | |
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2008-Apr-12 11:22 pm
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....smcallah
The problem comes in that it is apparently exceedingly difficult for them to track down what exactly (of the above list) is causing the problem. In the last two years I have been down for over a month on three different occasions. It is always a trivial thing(last time it was a cracked line right next to the amp) that is broken and is easy to fix(once they FINALLY figure out what is broken). It usually takes about ten (10) visits from low level techs in order to get a senior tech (they used to call them line techs) out. That amounts to ten(10) afternoons I have to take off from work to wait for them to show up (if they show up). In this last round they wanted to charge me for a service call for not being home (which I was). Fortunately the tech they sent could not describe my house. It also did not hurt that I was on the phone with my Corporate Escalation rep asking her WTF the tech was.
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....Lazy and unsupervised technicians obviously.
Are you trying to imply such a thing wouldn't happen with Verizon? Be real.
I'm neither for cable or telco here, I'm just being realistic. Both have their faults, but neither one as a whole is stupid.
You can't fault an entire company for what a few soon to be unemployed or currently unemployed techs do. And that is my point. | |
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2008-Apr-14 3:40 pm
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....Employees are going to be employees, regardless of who employs them. But, if you can reduce the number of things that can go wrong it is more likely that the average employee will be able to figure out the problem. If you have a device with ten parts and a competing product with 100 parts, which one are you better off using? All things break down. The fewer things that can break down the easier it is to figure out the problem. Cable just has too many things that can go wrong between the house and the head end. Fiber has things that can break down as well, but they are far fewer in number and even the ones that are there are not as susceptible to partial failure. When fiber hardware fails it is usually dead, pretty much go or no go. When cable fails it can sorta work. When you get 50 things in somebody's connection chain that sorta work (most peoples), how do you find the one that is not sorta working enough? | |
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network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. | |
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2008-Apr-10 11:37 am
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by hottboiinnc4:network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. About 10 years ago, having a all-fiber nationwide backbone was a big deal (think @Home) but it's 2008 and everyone rides fiber backbones, just not necessarily owned by their provider. The mis-information here is how accessible is that fiber. The average college kid would love a bargain on a keg of beer, but how do you think he/she would feel if you told them they had to drink it through a stirrer straw? | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....He'd say "pass the straw, please." | |
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said by hottboiinnc4:network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. But the reason for TW to advertise their "fiber" network is to try to compare to FIOS. Yes, they may have fiber in their system, but then again you can not compare TWs fiber to FIOS. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....TWC does not say they're system is direct to the door. Just says they have a fiber optic network. Thats the thing. They are well within their rights to say they have it. They just don't say how much of it is. But its only maybe a few hundred feet thats not fiber.
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by hottboiinnc4:TWC does not say they're system is direct to the door. Just says they have a fiber optic network. Thats the thing. They are well within their rights to say they have it. They just don't say how much of it is. But its only maybe a few hundred feet thats not fiber. But on another note VZ is just pissed at TWC about their Digital phone and other services Yes, i agree with ya. They do have fiber in their system. My whole rant here is they are misleading people to think that they have **FIBER** like Verizon does, when in fact, they DONT. | |
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....they're not misleading because they don't state how far the fiber goes into their network. And out of VZ's footprint how much of it is actually FTTH?
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by hottboiinnc4:they're not misleading because they don't state how far the fiber goes into their network. And out of VZ's footprint how much of it is actually FTTH? TWC has MORE Fiber in their network than VZ Are they not comparing it to FIOS? You know they are. | |
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Verizon (Actually it's predecesors Bell Atlantic and Nynex) have been deploying fiber since the early 80s. Verizon has more fiber deployed, even minus the fios fiber, then Time Warner probably will ever have. Verizon's core network/inter office facilities have been running in excess of 10 gig for over a decade with legs now running in excess of 320 gig. Once it hits the CO/pop/RT every phone call made runs on fiber, every T1 runs on fiber, every DS3 runs on fiber, every gig-e, every fractional...... Time Warner cannot even come close to the bandwidth capabilities Verizon has and has had for many years. The Bells were the pioneers in the deployment of fiber. edit: I did not have time to look it up earlier, but here is some perspective. Time Warner-- 24,000 miles of fiber in their network. » www.twtelecom.com/about_ ··· rks.htmlComcast-- 90,000 miles of fiber in their network. » www.comcastcommercial.co ··· temid=33Verizon-- 250,000 miles of fiber in West Virginia alone! » www22.verizon.com/about/ ··· nity/wv/To make statements that the telcos were 10 years too late to the party is an uninformed opinion. The rbocs were the first to deploy fiber and did in a big way, but not with consumer data in mind. Rboc fiber was deployed toward a different end. They were selling dial tone and business data and built a network to carry that second to none. Consumer data connections were not a market until the 90's. The cable companies were not investing and building with an "eye" toward the future-- they just got lucky that their network was more rapidly and economically adaptable to consumer data needs than the telco networks were. Cable has spent pennies on their networks to deliver data and it will catch up with them in time. | |
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said by Rick5 about 10 years late to the fiber party IMHO. [/BQUOTE :The Bells were using fiber in the 1970s, before most neighborhoods even had cable. | |
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the main thing is that Verizon needed FiOS to even compete with cable because copper pair is pretty much incapable of ever touching what even DOCSIS2.0 can deliver. | |
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A bit off topic, but important. » www.grc.com/securitynow.htmEpisode #139 | 10 Apr 2008 | 81 min. Network Congestion quote: Steve: ...And then when I got my T1s, or certainly when most people switched from a modem to a broadband connection, to either DSL, high-speed DSL or cable modem, it's like, whoa, just think of all the stuff I can get now. I mean, so there...
Leo: You do, you start downloading stuff.
Steve: You know what I mean? Yes. There is behavior elasticity in the type of connection you have and how feasible it is for you to do certain things on the 'Net. And so what that means to me is that people who have fiber are going to be much more inclined to grab big chunks of stuff because now they can so much more easily...
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....said by aefstoggaflm:A bit off topic, but important. » www.grc.com/securitynow.htmEpisode #139 | 10 Apr 2008 | 81 min. Network Congestion quote: Steve: ...And then when I got my T1s, or certainly when most people switched from a modem to a broadband connection, to either DSL, high-speed DSL or cable modem, it's like, whoa, just think of all the stuff I can get now. I mean, so there...
Leo: You do, you start downloading stuff.
Steve: You know what I mean? Yes. There is behavior elasticity in the type of connection you have and how feasible it is for you to do certain things on the 'Net. And so what that means to me is that people who have fiber are going to be much more inclined to grab big chunks of stuff because now they can so much more easily...
same could be related to cars, before the US interstate system people took Greyhounds or trains for long hauls. the Interstate opened and everyone started driving distances longer then with in the same state. and as anyone who has used I-95 knows, congestion is common. | |
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Best idea, for Verizon to make an ad saying they INVENTED fiber, weren't they and Bell Labs the same thing corporate history wise? lets see TWC beat that. | |
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2008-Apr-10 10:39 am
Marketing Dept types are mostly sleazeballsIn a corporation the marketing departments are usually the ones with the least tenuous hold on the truth. The old saw "buyer beware" applies as always to ANYONE buying anything. Lies are their stock in trade. | |
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FIOS is a super serviceHere in Fairfax County, VA the choices are Cox Cable, satellite or Verizon's FIOS. My daughter's family have moved from Cox to FIOS and couldn't be happier. Verizon's internet service and TV picture quality are simply the best (the Motorola STBs could be better however). I have FIOS internet but kept Dish Network because of their superior DVRs. Overall, Verizon has "built the better mousetrap" IMHO.
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For the Customer it's all about Implementation!!!In this area of Olean, NY Time Warner runs faster and IS more stable than Verizon's DSL. Yes I know they are talking about Fios but Verizon said since last June they were putting Fios in no later than June 07 and still nothing. They just keep pushing it back. Yeah I'll wire an entire city with Fios but what does it matter if I call Verizon and say "hey i want your service now" and they say "oh sorry but we still can not install it in your home yet". Call Time Warner and ask them to install Cable in your house and you have it. No excuses or waiting or FALSE statements of When you can get it like Fios does. Time Warner realizes the money to be made in this area where verizon just cares about Major Cities. | |
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2008-Apr-10 11:18 am
Where is the ad copy with false claims?That spot is pretty funny, but it doesn't make any false claims. I looked on youtube for others that might, but didn't see any. The article says "this and other ads" so does anyone know where to find the other spots or ad copy that Verizon is taking issue with? | |
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2008-Apr-10 2:21 pm
Ads are way offWhile I can't say Verizon's ads are 100% truthful, I know the cable company ads are way off. There's one that Comcast is running now, which annoys the hell out of me. It shows a one "glowing" guy (a play off of FIOS's ad) running up to his neighbor touting how he's getting FIOS installed so he can get a fiber connection. The neighbor claims he gets the best TV, Internet and phone service from Comcast via a "fiber network". The first guy then tells Verizon to "stop digging". This is ridiculous. While Comcast technically has more miles of fiber cable than Verizon, it's because Comcast is offered in a lot more places than FIOS, not because Comcast has a better network. FIOS's fiber runs to the home and beats Comcast with respect to performance and quality for the same price or cheaper than Comcast. | |
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DSL?Doesn't all your dsl traffic to/from telcos go over fiber once past the dslam? » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLAM | |
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2008-Apr-10 4:18 pm
This is expected....All of this is expected....The only issue I take with the TWC ad is the satellite statement. TWC is on an HFC system and the fiber goes all the way to the node (this is the route most phone companies are taking now anyway...). It does allow them to make the claim of having more fiber and from a technical aspect a FTTN system should be able to keep pace with a FTTH system for quite sometime still...FTTH is more future proof (way more future proof) but as far as consumers are concerned for the next 8-10 years FTTN should perform just as well. (possibly even beyond that?) | |
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Re: This is expected....TWC should be kicking themselves right now. Its defintely not smart of them to show that commercial. (I actually just saw that commercial on the tv as we speak)
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2008-Apr-13 3:17 am
Re: This is expected....Don't be so hasty. Remember that VZ is running FiOS ads in markets that are not even close to being built all the way out, so many of the people who see this ad can only get DSL and a Dish bundled. And you'd better believe if you call for FiOS and you can't get it, they'll be glad to cross sell that call into a Dish bundle. I would bet that upwards of 40-50% of all Verizon territory homes that see FiOS ads can't get FiOS service. | |
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2008-Apr-10 9:52 pm
taking betsI'm willing to place a $5000 wager that Verizon has more fiber in their network than any other US Cable Company. Any takers? | |
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2008-Apr-11 1:32 am
its all about moneyFirst off i have fiber from verizon in its better than cable but i use to have comcast in it was also good however when it comes down to best bang for your buck cable whens even though the picture quality of fiber is better not all the channels are hd in netheir are cables but cables stb support hd with no upgrade unlike verizon where you have to pay for a a hd stb $15.99 a month for a hd DVR or $9.99 for a standard hd stb. cable gives you free hd stb in cable has alot more free hd channels then fiber as of right now. in who cares who has the better looking HD as long as it looks better then regular TV thats good enough for most people. in i also think its bullshit how fiber ENTERNET supposedly has a better signal then cable because when i had comcast i swear it allways was fast i never had any problems even during rush hour it seemed to go faster so whatever the difference is its not a big deal. i personally would switch back but verizon locked me in for to fuckin years but ether way im happy because verizon lowerd my bill down to $130 a month for tv enternet in phone do to me not haveing service for three months because of a bad wire to the router wich was locking up are stbs in disconnecting me from the enternet it took me 40 plus phone calls in 7 missed appointments befor they finally got here in changed it. i also broke my phone from venting from the ridiculous long ASS waits to talk to a dumb ASS tech that has no manners or respect for you then putts you on hold because hes to dumb to fix it. finally after 20 calls they put me through to there tier 2 department which is were they keep the DORKS who finally found the problem. im finally happy but verizon needs more DORKS like the ones in there tier 2 department they litterly built my connection from the ground so thats what the DORK claimed they did any ways since the wire has been changed i havent had any problems but however my upload shows for megs in im only suppose to have 2 also i got HBO in stars for free in one DVR. so as of right now im still pissed but they made up for in so im happy for now also they credit my account for all the three months without service. VERIZON has problems but atleast i got this kick ass del for now butt in 2 years im going back to cable cable gives alot more bang for the buck verizon gives alot of problems for the buck in god im so pissed at them for there fuck up verizon blow me whor. | |
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Re: its all about moneyAtleast there are periods in this post. Can we have a return or a tab now? | |
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a 'Fibersfiber' en ingles, por favor? | |
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