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| Re: Popcorn? I've got to agree. When I go to see a movie in the theatre, I don't buy popcorn or any other snacks/drinks. When I'm home though, I pop popcorn all the time. Ever since getting my wife a Whirley Pop, we eat a lot of popcorn. Even when we're not watching TV/movies.
So is it ok to pirate an NBC show provided you eat plenty of popcorn while watching it?  -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
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| We eat popcorn while watching movies at home, at least 2-3 times a week. I haven't been to a theater in over 10 years, but I do my share to consume popcorn.
We make our popcorn with oil in a Stir Crazy (best popper ever) and use real butter. Microwave popcorn and it's cousin "air" poppers are both trash.
This is the popcorn thread isn't it?  -- KEN LEEEEEEE... tulibu dibu douchoo! | |
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| Re: We eat popcorn while watching movies at home, Sure. Why not. 
I used to love Microwave popcorn until I started popping my own. Now I can't imagine going back. (Though I do have some Microwave popcorn left over that I'll have to use eventually.)
Have you ever tried popcorn for breakfast? A big bowl of popcorn with some milk poured over it. (Perhaps some sugar if you want it sweeter, but I prefer it without.) -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
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| Re: We eat popcorn while watching movies at home, said by Jason Levine :Sure. Why not.  ... Have you ever tried popcorn for breakfast? A big bowl of popcorn with some milk poured over it. (Perhaps some sugar if you want it sweeter, but I prefer it without.) No, if I want a corn product for breakfast, I'm having grits.  | |
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| said by DataDoc We make our popcorn with oil in a Stir Crazy (best popper ever) and use real butter. [/BQUOTE :Bought this again a couple of years and won't look back. It's a bit of a drag to have to clean it, but not hard and worth it for the quality of the result. The hybrid popcorn in a jar works better than the bog standard bagged stuff. | |
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| Re: We eat popcorn while watching movies at home, Yeah, Rickenbacker's works for us, and not the white corn, only the yellow.
You have to hand wash the dome with a sponge, but I plug the bottom back in for a few seconds (after removing the stirrer) and then it's easy to paper towel the remaining oil away. | |
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| Farmers aren't selling less popcorn because of piracy, they are selling their corn crops for ethanol. Next NBC will be claiming that piracy hurts both corn farmers and gas companies because nobody is driving to the movies.
I say, P2P use saves gas...something nobody can argue with these days! | |
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| Re: Popcorn? said by 8744675 :Farmers aren't selling less popcorn because of piracy, they are selling their corn crops for ethanol. Next NBC will be claiming that piracy hurts both corn farmers and gas companies because nobody is driving to the movies. I say, P2P use saves gas...something nobody can argue with these days! then the pirates could say they are supporting reduction in CO2 emissions by staying home. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: Popcorn? said by Kearnstd :said by 8744675 :I say, P2P use saves gas...something nobody can argue with these days! then the pirates could say they are supporting reduction in CO2 emissions by staying home.
Al Gore must be for P2P! | |
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join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Re: Popcorn? So the solution for climate change is culture change. I dig it! I can just see the spin on this:
"At The Pirate Bay, we're saving the planet, bit by bit."  | |
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| Here we go again. :\ Here we go again. *rolls eyes*
If you over legislate or try to DRM everything, you'll probably kill the 'net. I don't know how much traffic on the 'net is in violation of various copyright laws, but if you kill everything off, you won't have a 'net, and there goes all your business, corporate moguls. I agree something has to be done about what's going on, but this isn't it. | |
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| Re: Here we go again. :\ said by DeafRandy :
If you over legislate or try to DRM everything, you'll probably kill the 'net. You won't kill the 'net, but you will drive up costs for normal consumers and push some users further underground in their unauthorized distribution of content. | |
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| said by DeafRandy :
Here we go again. *rolls eyes*
If you over legislate or try to DRM everything, you'll probably kill the 'net. I don't know how much traffic on the 'net is in violation of various copyright laws, but if you kill everything off, you won't have a 'net, and there goes all your business, corporate moguls. I agree something has to be done about what's going on, but this isn't it. No, there's nothing "has to be done about it", that's the complete BS they try to spoon-fed you with, don't buy it.
They will have to change their fuckin' business modell, that's all - bu so far they are refusing it, rather yelling at others to pay their tab instead.
Music and movie industries - the two most slimiest, most fuckin corrupt shitholes without any sense of decency in America. Big oil and big pharma companies only comes after these parasites in the media world when it comes to arrogant arm twisting. --
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| Re: Here we go again. :\ said by kamm :said by DeafRandy :
Here we go again. *rolls eyes*
If you over legislate or try to DRM everything, you'll probably kill the 'net. I don't know how much traffic on the 'net is in violation of various copyright laws, but if you kill everything off, you won't have a 'net, and there goes all your business, corporate moguls. I agree something has to be done about what's going on, but this isn't it. No, there's nothing "has to be done about it", that's the complete BS they try to spoon-fed you with, don't buy it. They will have to change their fuckin' business modell, that's all - bu so far they are refusing it, rather yelling at others to pay their tab instead. Music and movie industries - the two most slimiest, most fuckin corrupt shitholes without any sense of decency in America. Big oil and big pharma companies only comes after these parasites in the media world when it comes to arrogant arm twisting. Something tells me, youve had to work with them before? But that sad things.. Your right! | |
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| He's talking about special treatment for his company, or a few companies. Even so, it's a fantasy technology.
said by Sumner Redstone :
...Solutions turn on enlisting the aggregators -- ISPs, device manufacturers, hosting companies, and site operators -- in this effort. We're not ask for perfection. But we do ask that companies that become aware of piracy using their facilities, do something about it. It's impossible in practice to have any device maintain an up to date, accurate database of all the copyrighted works in the world and what rights every user has in relation to each of them.
Therefore there is no such thing as a piracy filter. What this suit has in mind is probably something like "get a list of big Hollywood movies from big Hollywood companies, and work out a reliable way to recognize pieces of those movies in packets (or maybe just names in directory listings), and flag those".
This would be doable, but would still impose big burdens on ISPs and equipment makers. And why should they pay the cost for alleviating an issue that's purely between the end-user and the movie companies? Is Viacom proposing to pay for it?
And even then, pirates would easily evade it with encryption, renaming files and other elementary tricks.
And what about other copyright holders - would they be entitled to have the ISPs and equipment makers filter for their lists of copyrighted works too? Maybe if they paid a fee? Soon the ISPs and device makers would be overwhelmed.
The real obstacle for the likes of Redstone is their control-freak mentality. If they simply offered high-quality, DRM-free files for reasonable prices, piracy would mostly evaporate. | |
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| and all it would take is a big router mfg like Linksys to "accidently" leak the source code to their routers allowing people to make stuff that is filter free. because Cisco Systems has no reason to protect hollywood as they dont own and arent owned by anyone with fingers in that pie. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Here's an idea. If content providers want content filters on ISP networks, they should pay for the hardware, the software, and the continuing cost of running the equipment and service.
I suspect they already know the cost of that outweighs the money they lose to piracy, and that's why they want ISPs to pay for it. -- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge Lynch All Liars | |
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| Re: Here's an idea. No according to them its someone else's job to go out of their way to filter it and expense. I will just use older routers if they do this or switch to another brand. -- Team Discovery-Join the fight | |
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| Re: Here's an idea. Could you imagine the grey market for overseas non-DRM hardware that will sprout up, but maybe that good cause it might get RIAA to support the border fence to stop hardware smuggling as from the looks of that guy they like the drug being brought over. | |
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| rent seeking as an art form the content industry has taken rent seeking to new heights of irresponsibility and hubris.
never have so few requested so much, at the expense of so many.
unfortunately, they have been amply rewarded in the past and our rent-a-congress seems ready, willing and able to continue mandating outrageous financial penalties and draconian measures to prop up the content industries failing business model.
I guess when technology permits, they will be requesting brain chip implants for everyone under 30 to keep them from "pirating" content. | |
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| > the content industries failing business model
Given the relative ease of duplicating and distributing content digitally, I honestly can't think of any business model that could provide enough revenue to fund the creation of the content. You can talk about greed all you want, but all the people involved in creating the content have to make a living (we're not just talking about the rich CEO's and artists here, folks) and if the revenue isn't there to enable that, the content will eventually just dry up. | |
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| Re: rent seeking as an art form said by bcronin : ... can't think of any business model that could provide enough revenue ... but all the people involved in creating the content have to make a living Of course. Technology brings with it the ability to "create" more efficiently however. Ford, no longer has long assembly lines of people putting together car after car. Much of that is now done by computer-aided robotics. Point is, the skills needed to "create" content have changed. Much of the Music/Movie industry still refuses to switch.
Denying technology and progress, is these people's main problem. They, understandably, want to hold on to the old business model. This is doomed to failure in the end.
Quality content, is not dependent on corporate funding (unless you subscribe to the fascist economic model -the state/corporate merger), it is a creative human process. Capital did NOT produce MichelAngelo's Sistine Chapel.. His creative brain did; and it's content belongs to us all.
What corporate infrastructure will be required in the future to say, produce quality music, is probably nil. The current production-distribution model of the industry is obsolete!
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1 edit | said by nasadude : our rent-a-congress seems ready, willing and able to continue mandating outrageous financial penalties and draconian measures The U.S. House last night overwhelmingly(410-11) passed the Pro IP Act(H.R. 4279) that toughens enforcement of copyright infringement. So, I guess the pols agree that protecting US intellectual property(such as copyrights) is important to the ongoing health of the US economy. Maybe, just maybe, it is the movie & music thieves that are in the wrong.
»www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/new···1525447/
H.R. 4279 puts resources toward aiding a sector of the economy that employs an estimated 18 million workers - 13% of our labor force - and accounts for half of all US exports, driving 40% of the country's growth.
As a result of less than effective enforcement, however, counterfeiting and piracy costs the United States economy between 200 and 250 billion dollars every year, and results in the loss of 750,000 American jobs.
H.R. 4279 will do four important things:
First, it will prioritize intellectual property protection to the highest level of our government by creating an office in the White House that will be responsible for coordinating the IP efforts of eight diverse agencies and producing a national Joint Strategic Plan for IP enforcement.
Second, it will elevate IP enforcement within the Justice Department and provide more resources for investigating and prosecuting IP crimes.
Third, it will make changes to both civil and criminal IP laws to enhance the ability of intellectual property owners to effectively protect their rights.
And, it will increase penalties for IP violations that endanger public health and safety.
As a result, H.R. 4279 is now supported by a number of key industries and associations, including the Consumer Electronics Association, the Digital Media Association, the Net Coalition, the Internet Commerce Coalition, the Coalition for Consumers' Pictures Rights, and the Printing Industries of America.
This is in addition to support we already had from the Teamsters, the Directors Guild of America, SEIU, AFTRA, Unite Here, AFM, OPEIU, the Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Piracy, the Motor Equipment Manufacturing Association, the Motion Picture Association of America, PHARMA, and NBC Universal. Here is how the pols voted, if you are interested in such things: »www.opencongress.org/roll_call/show/4627
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| so lets say these filters become law, Viacom should have to pay comcast and other ISPs money for tech support. because when the pirate filter effects legit content the customer calls the ISP not the content owner. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Mod Linksys I will use a computer. Eh, if they start modifying SoHo routers and such I will just have to get an old Micron computer and load up Linux for a router/firewall.
If ISPs start using modified networking gear then it is a Linux wireless access point to create my own ad-hoc wireless network to share the fun. -- Avatar by: dandelion | Disarm you with a smile. | Tell me, tell me what you're after. I just want to get there faster. | |
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| Re: Mod Linksys I will use a computer. Yea, my work has tons of those laying around running PAL and CAIL/CTTW32 for a dial-up telnet connection to sell bus tickets.  -- Avatar by: dandelion | Disarm you with a smile. | Tell me, tell me what you're after. I just want to get there faster. | |
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| Instead Of Realizing.... ...that their world has changed, these content providers keep trying to push more and more restrictions and involve others in their attempts to restrict access to their product.
Sharing or piracy or whatever you want to call it, is out there. It started occurring the first time recording equipment was made available to the public. Heck, my parents gave me a portable reel-to-reel tape deck when I was in the fourth grade and I used to record songs off the radio. Did I become a criminal at that point in time? I don't think so.
They need to establish better models for marketing their product to the public. I am quite willing to pay for content that I want, but don't sell it to me crippled by DRM, or of a lower video or audio quality. Sell me a copy of a TV show with the commercials still present - I don't mind and it's a way for them to make some additional profit. Allow me access to realistically priced music and I'll buy it. I remember paying $0.75 for a 45rpm single, so $0.99 for a single song track is fine with me.
They also have to realize that the gravy train has left the station. They are no longer calling the shots nor are they in total control anymore. Their greed has lead to the current situation. We know how cheaply CD's can actually be made, so we no longer buy their excuses for high costs. We read about the multi-millions they make in syndication - with the majority of the money NOT going to the actors AND technicians who worked on the shows, so forgive us if we don't cry a river when they lament how much money they are losing in piracy.
What they fail to realize is that the people who share or pirate their product AREN'T GOING TO BUY IT ANYWAY, so they wouldn't be gettng that income either way. -- Life is simply one damned thing after another. | |
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| Freedom to Facism!!! All hail the big corporations. With caps for limiting already being proposed and some nice filters added to our hardware then let them just put a filter on any website that argues against them and we have censorship. Silence the people who demand fairer prices. We can then almost be as cool as China or North Korea.
**** the right to free speech. Censor all opposition and crush the competition. Censor this and that, eliminate any competition. Maybe it's just me but this huge conglomerate sounds like a huge monopoly.
**** competing against cheaper and better alternatives. Just crush them. USA needs better regulations on limiting the size of corporations. Almost all behave like monopolies. What we need is more competition between smaller firms.
This will not only make things cheaper(due to the increase in competition), but make everyone happier(except for the one making 50mil a year and having his salary lowered to 40mill, WHAT WILL HE DO?!!!). | |
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| puppets for big business how much do you think either one of these men know about the internet and piracy. its more of how much $$ someone gives them.
but what can you do when you have a president that has its to say.
"I dont give a goddamn, Bush retorted. Im the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.
Mr. President, one aide in the meeting said. There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.
Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, Bush screamed back. Its just a goddamned piece of paper
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| Better Content Can we demand in return, better movies, that are worth watching. I have already filtered out, going to the theater since its way overpriced, and unmaintained. Most of the content today is political lessons anyway, nothing providing anything of value. | |
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| I really wonder... I really wonder what an MPAA "brainstorming" session looks like. If they're throwing out these stupid ideas out to the press, I really wonder what kind of ideas that they actually deem as bad.
"I got an idea! Let's put a chip into the computers so they'll blow up whenever they access a pirating site!" | |
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3 edits | Re: I really wonder... said by Nick125 :I really wonder what an MPAA "brainstorming" session looks like. If they're throwing out these stupid ideas out to the press, I really wonder what kind of ideas that they actually deem as bad. "I got an idea! Let's put a chip into the computers so they'll blow up whenever they access a pirating site!" It will be something like this: (note: the company names were changed to protect the guilty...
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