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| Help us.. Help you.. In other words, to make some extra dough before the fourth quarter, and to help cover the costs of switching to SDV, TW wants owners to start paying for a STB.
Are they planning on giving the 1200 customers free set top boxes to replace their Tivos? After all, it's only 1200 customers, a 'small' number.
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clubs:  | Re: Help us.. Help you.. Tivo users that are using cablecards can get their own 'tuning resolver' so they can continue using them. No CableCO provided STB required. | |
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| said by Rob  :In other words, to make some extra dough before the fourth quarter, and to help cover the costs of switching to SDV, TW wants owners to start paying for a STB. Are they planning on giving the 1200 customers free set top boxes to replace their Tivos? After all, it's only 1200 customers, a 'small' number. Those should be FREE DVRs not just FREE STBs since that is what replacing a Tivo needs to be an equivelent swap - you need to get a DVR not just a STB, | |
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| said by Rob :In other words, to make some extra dough before the fourth quarter, and to help cover the costs of switching to SDV, TW wants owners to start paying for a STB. Are they planning on giving the 1200 customers free set top boxes to replace their Tivos? After all, it's only 1200 customers, a 'small' number. when will u people get it that cable companies do not make $ on set top box rentals. they make $ on the potential of services it can sell such as VOD. set top boxex cost between $75 for low end to $500 for top of line dvr. AND those rental fees are regulated by fcc | |
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| Re: Help us.. Help you.. said by boxthis :said by Rob :In other words, to make some extra dough before the fourth quarter, and to help cover the costs of switching to SDV, TW wants owners to start paying for a STB. Are they planning on giving the 1200 customers free set top boxes to replace their Tivos? After all, it's only 1200 customers, a 'small' number. when will u people get it that cable companies do not make $ on set top box rentals. they make $ on the potential of services it can sell such as VOD. set top boxex cost between $75 for low end to $500 for top of line dvr. AND those rental fees are regulated by fcc What's your point? Right now they have 1200 folks who aren't paying a rental fee - 1200 bucks who now have to pay a rental fee.
Whether it's profitable or not, TW already purchased the stb and have them sitting on the shelves collection dust. | |
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| Correction It should say Like Time Warner Cable, Comcast is slowly migrating to switched digital video.
Time Warner is WAY further along with numerous active SDV deployments. Comcast has what... 3 test markets? Give me a break. Time Warner has Comcast beat in the video market. Comcast has Time Warner beat in the Data/Voice market. Wish we could take the best of both companies and create one super provider that had it all. | |
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| That is one hell of a downgrade Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on. After that you have to turn the box off and back on to get your picture to show up. It basically means a universal remote with an all one button is useless. My buddy was frustrated by the sync issue and by their lack of hd channels so he dropped back to basic cable within a week. It just wasn't worth paying more for almost nothing. | |
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| Re: That is one hell of a downgrade said by insomniac84 :Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on. After that you have to turn the box off and back on to get your picture to show up. It basically means a universal remote with an all one button is useless. My buddy was frustrated by the sync issue and by their lack of hd channels so he dropped back to basic cable within a week. It just wasn't worth paying more for almost nothing. WTF are you talking about?
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| Re: That is one hell of a downgrade He's talking about the glitch that occurs sometimes with an HDMI connection and certain TVs/receivers. On mine, if I turn the cable box on first and then the receiver/TV, the picture shows up pink or green. This is caused by the HDCP link up and timing; it wants the so-called 'authenticator' to be active first.
It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. The same problem happens when I watch HD-DVD or streamed movies through the 360; it'll go black and I have to switch signals back and forth before the HDCP will click in properly. | |
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| Re: That is one hell of a downgrade said by ReVeLaTeD :It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. No, it is a TWC issue. They give people flawed hardware. Most cable boxes do not suffer from this problem. I can't wait until the day some kind of drm screws up right in the middle of the superbowl. That might actually get people to fix things. | |
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| Re: That is one hell of a downgrade If it were a TWC issue, other connection types would be similarly impacted. They're not. It's only HDMI. And as I said, other devices have similar problems with HDMI.
HDMI is the culprit. In their haste to lock down the "perfect connection", issues were created with the convenience factor. It's almost better to use Component and optical so you don't have to deal with that crap. | |
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| Re: That is one hell of a downgrade Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) | |
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4 edits | Re: That is one hell of a downgrade said by insomniac84 :Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) The fault can go multiple ways, box, tv, guide... including the cable in between too.
It's possible the TV has an issue with the HDMI signal the box puts out, even if the box signal correctly follows the HDCP spec. It's possible the TV is NOT communicating with the box correctly during the sync.
See the Fios TV thread regarding Samsung TVs and their boxes as an example...
or read this:
»utahtechinfo.com/video/hdmi.html
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»www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/t···233.html
or this:
»www.avrant.com/?p=194
HDCP over HDMI is by no means perfect, even if everybody is following the same spec. Component connections are far more reliable...
Either way though, it has NOTHING to do with Tivo users not being able to use SDV. | |
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Schererville, IN | Re: That is one hell of a downgrade It does if they are being forced to use these crappy boxes until cablecard is supported again. | |
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San Diego, CA
| Trust me.
Set up an Xbox 360 via HDMI, and attempt to watch anything. DVD, HD-DVD, doesn't matter. The screen will stay black. Switch inputs and the picture comes in, and the flash at the bottom tells you "HDCP Secure link not found", then "HDCP secure link restored".
The devices not communicating is the root cause. The TWC box isn't doing anything wrong, it's the spec that has the issue. | |
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4 edits | said by Cogdis :You'll never hear FIOS say "We're totally out of bandwidth!" Verizon has been in a major hurry to ditch the analog channels they carry on FIOS and pretty slow to add HD channels. With the current FIOS setup and design, they're limited to the same 860 Mhz RF bandwidth for TV that channels many cable providers are... so "totally out"? No, but the limitations they've run into has caused them to change their plans and look at IPTV in the not too distant future.
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| said by insomniac84 :Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on... Same problem here, thought it was an issue with cable but realized they boxes just don't work right. | |
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| Re: Cable Companies support for CableCARD has always.... said by KrK :... been as weak as it possibly could be. They haven't been in any hurry to open up this market for years. Because the "standard for the 1stGen cards was weak and development lagged too far behind current needs. 2nd gen (2 way addressable) cards could have worked, but by then hardware MFGs were sick of the problems and could see switched digital coming.
The real question here is WHEN can they deliver a workable, invisable to the user, adaptor box.
Another Vapor ware (like cable card) that leaves consumers hanging/unable to use their own hardware/ etc. will have subscriber heading towards the exits, willing to pay more elsewhere (think dish/DTV/IPTV) rather then using the cable co's premium service (which is the gravy/high profit part)
The standard are taking to long too develop, far too to roll out, and still lack the reliablity that the industry claims. | |
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2 edits | said by tshirt :said by KrK :... been as weak as it possibly could be. They haven't been in any hurry to open up this market for years. Because the "standard for the 1stGen cards was weak and development lagged too far behind current needs. 2nd gen (2 way addressable) cards could have worked, but by then hardware MFGs were sick of the problems and could see switched digital coming. The 1st Gen CableCARDs are 2-way capable. It's the equipment they're put in that needs to be built to enable it.
The CE MFGs had the FCC pass the bastardized "DCR" spec which cut out the need and cost of 2-way functionality. The manufacturers then built the gear to the DCR spec.
Moto and SciAtl/Cisco have been shipping 2-way CableCARD gear for over a year and it's been in use by cable companies since the FCC mandated cable companies stop buying "integrated security" boxes. It's perfectly capable of SDV.
P.S. So called CableCARD 2.0 or 2nd gen CableCARDs are the Multistream cards that have been available for a year. They are also 2-way capable, just like 1st gen cards.
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| Re: Cable Companies support for CableCARD has always.... said by MacLeech : The 1st Gen CableCARDs are 2-way capable. It's the equipment they're put in that needs to be built to enable it. Correct! My point was......AS a system (card and compliant hardware) wasn't available/widely available, thus never delivering on the promise of a user invisible solution to box free cable use.
And even those cable companies made availble cable cards in their limited form have had incredible problems making them work/keeping them working, certainly not the "no brainer, universal technology" envisioned. | |
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Shrinking Time and Distance
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Naples, FL
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2 edits | Being a TiVo HD owner... ...I'm quite glad that Comcast is taking their sweet time testing and deploying SDV. My hope is that by the time they get to my area -- not likely to happen for a while, since we're one of the 10% of their markets serviced by Scientific Atlanta hardware -- the SDV dongle for 1-way devices will be available.
Otherwise I guess I'd have to downgrade to a cable company DVR. That thing was terrible.
Edit: I notice at the end of the article, the author remarks that he's waiting with bated breath for Time Warner to issue him the promised "new CableCARDs" that will work with SDV. I thought that there was no "two-way CableCARD" anywhere near completion -- and even if there was, it would not work in an existing TiVo unit without a hardware upgrade! Perhaps he is talking about the aforementioned SDV "dongle." | |
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2 edits | Re: Being a TiVo HD owner... said by banditws6 :I thought that there was no "two-way CableCARD" anywhere near completion -- and even if there was, it would not work in an existing TiVo unit without a hardware upgrade! 2-way CableCARDs have been available since day 1 of release, it's the EQUIPMENT they're put in that enables or disables it's use. Tivo doesn't make any boxes that can use it.
Cable companies were mandated last year by the FCC to stop buying "integrated security" boxes and have since been buying and issuing "separable security" boxes aka boxes with CableCARDs in them.
Those boxes (the Moto DCH series and SciAtl/Cisco C series) have been using the 2-way features of CableCARDs just fine, including SDV. | |
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Shrinking Time and Distance
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1 edit | Re: Being a TiVo HD owner... said by MacLeech :2-way CableCARDs have been available since day 1 of release, it's the EQUIPMENT they're put in that enables or disables it's use. Tivo doesn't make any boxes that can use it. Cable companies were mandated last year by the FCC to stop buying "integrated security" boxes and have since been buying and issuing "separable security" boxes aka boxes with CableCARDs in them. I totally forgot about this. Now that you mention it, you're right -- the SA 8300HD box I had did indeed have a multistream CableCARD in it. So obviously the cards are capable of two-way communication.
Looks like the ball is in TiVo's corner on this one -- as it's their hardware that's the source of the problem.
It occurs to me that Comcast's licensing and eventual rollout of TiVo software on their own boxes could be an easy out for me, as it's the OS and GUI that I find so utterly unusable on cableco DVRs. | |
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| said by banditws6 :...I'm quite glad that Comcast is taking their sweet time testing and deploying SDV. My hope is that by the time they get to my area -- not likely to happen for a while, since we're one of the 10% of their markets serviced by Scientific Atlanta hardware -- the SDV dongle for 1-way devices will be available. Otherwise I guess I'd have to downgrade to a cable company DVR. That thing was terrible. Edit: I notice at the end of the article, the author remarks that he's waiting with bated breath for Time Warner to issue him the promised "new CableCARDs" that will work with SDV. I thought that there was no "two-way CableCARD" anywhere near completion -- and even if there was, it would not work in an existing TiVo unit without a hardware upgrade! Perhaps he is talking about the aforementioned SDV "dongle." All cable cards are 2-way capable.... But none of the hardware available is.... | |
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Scotch Plains, NJ | Forget about FCC mandates Doesn't the FCC mandate that cable cards must be made available? | |
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Utica, MI | Re: Forget about FCC mandates Yes, and they still will be. Customer will still be able to use them, they just won't get to see whatever HD channels are sitting behind the SDV gear. | |
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MacLeech
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3 edits | said by jjoshua :Doesn't the FCC mandate that cable cards must be made available? Yes, they did 5 years ago. Then last year they mandated the cable companies had to buy cable boxes that had to use CableCARDs instead of "integrated security". Meanwhile, cable companies have been rolling out SDV.
So, cable companies are buying and issuing boxes that use CableCARD AND are 2-way capable, which are working with SDV just fine.
What's Tivo's problem?
P.S. CableCARDs have always been 2-way capable. It's the quipment it's installed in that enables it:
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4 edits | I have a CableCard TWC box in KC I'd blame Tivo for not keeping up. TWC shouldn't have to slow down for those who are taking their time.
I'm in KC and am glad to see more HD channels. SDV isn't perfect but it's great to see the extra HD channels, near 50 total. They are moving a bunch of SD channels to SDV next month and will add even more HD, both SDV and non-SDV.
BTW, a CableCard box is not required to get SDV. And it only impacts non-TWC CableCard boxes, like Tivo. When TWC-KC said they have 1200 CC boxes, they weren't clear if they meant non-TWC boxes. I have a CC box and it works fine.
Now if the HD broadcasters would stop stretching 4:3 content to 16:9. Viewers should be able to chose that themselves as just about any HDTV/cable box will do this manually. | |
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Liberty, MO | Re: I have a CableCard TWC box in KC its 1200 Cable card customers. not the OCAP boxes | |
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join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| Slanted playing field by design Let me see:
FCC orders Cable Companies to offer cable Cards to their customers at low price.
Cable companies own the shop which agrees all new Cable Card technology and checks that such hardware is good BEFORE they can be offered to customers
Cable Companies want customers to lease their own Hard Drive based recorders
Thus TIVO users and other Cable Card users suddenly lose channels unless they drop their existing hardware and lease Cable Boxes. | |
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join:2000-08-09
Danville, PA
| Re: Slanted playing field by design said by IanR :Let me see: FCC orders Cable Companies to offer cable Cards to their customers at low price. Cable companies own the shop which agrees all new Cable Card technology and checks that such hardware is good BEFORE they can be offered to customers Cable Companies want customers to lease their own Hard Drive based recorders Thus TIVO users and other Cable Card users suddenly lose channels unless they drop their existing hardware and lease Cable Boxes. Amen! | |
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MacLeech
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4 edits | said by IanR :Cable companies own the shop which agrees all new Cable Card technology and checks that such hardware is good BEFORE they can be offered to customers Funny thing is... the same organization that approves CableCARD certified gear also certifies DOCSIS equipment and there is no shortage of approved gear from a variety of vendors even though cable companies rent out modems too.
That SAME organization is certifying the "tuning resolver"(with a return transmitter in it) to allow the Tivo to be SDV compatible.
Why didn't Tivo build their boxes with transmitters in them (for 2-way use with the CableCARD) in the first place? Why did Tivo cheap out and just their boxes to the FCC DCR spec instead of the CableLabs CHILA specs released 3 years ago? | |
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| How much space does SDV free up in a high use area? How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?
At what point is the SDV split done the headend? the node?
What happens when there is not room left channels that are need in a area?
Things like that may end of stopping cable from having 200+ hd channels?
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/dev/null | The "only way" I didn't know that TW had eliminated 100% of their analog channels.
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1 edit | HD Channels in KC Here are the HD channels in Kansas City after a major upgrade...
Released several weeks ago..
999 HD INDEMAND PPV
1024 Music HD (SDV)
1045 Discovery HD (SDV)
1052 Food Network HD (SDV)
1054 HGTV HD (SDV)
Been around for a while...
1401 - 1402 KCPT
1403 KCPT Create
1404 KCPT Kids
1411 WDAF - 4 Fox HD
1421 KMBC 9 ABC HD
1422 KMBC First Alert Weather
1431 KCWE The CW HD
1441 KSHB-41 NBC HD
1442 KSHB Action Weather Plus
1451 KCTV 5 CBS HD
1460 TNT HD
1461 National Geographic HD
1462 History Channel HD
1471 My KSMO TV HD
1496 Fox Sports Midwest - Kansas City
1497 ESPN-HD
1498 ESPN-2 HD
1499 A&E High Definition
1500 HD Theater
1501 MOJO (SDV)
1503 HD Net
1504 HDNET Movies
1506 Universal HD
1550 Movies on Demand HD
1555 HD Showcase On Demand
1700 HBO East High Definition
1720 Cinemax HD East
1740 Showtime High Definition
1760 Starz HD East
Added July 2...
1014 TBS HD (SDV)
1023 Science HD (SDV)
1040 The Learning Channel HD (SDV)
1044 CNN HD (SDV)
1050 Travel HD (SDV)
1055 Versus/Golf HD (SDV)
1057 Animal Planet HD (SDV)
1060 Fox News HD (SDV)
1202 Outdoor HD (SDV)
1204 ESPN News HD (SDV)
1217 Biography HD (SDV)
1226 Planet Green HD (SDV)
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| Standard Def Channels going to SDV These STANDARD DEF channels are going SDV next month in KC. This will allow for about 18-20 more non-SDV HD channels.
Video Rola 157
Canal Sur 159
HITN 167
EWTN 190
TBN 191
The Word 192
American Life 193
Inspiration 194
Inspiration Life 195
The Gospel Music Channel 196
Daystar 197
Family Net 198
Outdoor Channel 202
G4 216
Biography 217
History International 218
Military Channel 224
Investigation Discovery 225
Planet Green 226
Bloomberg 227
CNBC World 228
Fox Business 230
C-SPAN 3 232
Gameshow 240
Wam 242
The N 245
Boomerang 246
Fuse 250
Ovation 251
TV One 253
Sleuth 255
VH-1 Classic 258
Fine Living 260
Lifetime Real Women 261
BBC America 263
Fit TV 264
Sundance 285
IFC 287
HBO Signature W 305
HBO Family W 307
HBO Comedy W 309
HBO Latino W 313
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| Re: Standard Def Channels going to SDV said by xenophon :These STANDARD DEF channels are going SDV next month in KC. This will allow for about 18-20 more non-SDV HD channels. Video Rola 157 Canal Sur 159 There is nothing on the www.twckc.com web site indicating most of those changes. The only indication is that next week, the rest of the HD channels (outside of local channels) will be moving.
Now, I will admit, I'm definitely liking how it is easy to remember the HD channels = 1000 + SD channel number so TNT is 32 and TNTHD will become 1032.
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| Re: HD Channels in KC said by xenophon :Here are the HD channels in Kansas City after a major upgrade... Released several weeks ago.. 999 HD INDEMAND PPV 1024 Music HD (SDV) 1045 Discovery HD (SDV) 1052 Food Network HD (SDV) 1054 HGTV HD (SDV) Been around for a while... 1401 - 1402 KCPT 1403 KCPT Create 1404 KCPT Kids 1411 WDAF - 4 Fox HD 1421 KMBC 9 ABC HD 1422 KMBC First Alert Weather 1431 KCWE The CW HD 1441 KSHB-41 NBC HD 1442 KSHB Action Weather Plus 1451 KCTV 5 CBS HD 1460 TNT HD 1461 National Geographic HD 1462 History Channel HD 1471 My KSMO TV HD 1496 Fox Sports Midwest - Kansas City 1497 ESPN-HD 1498 ESPN-2 HD 1499 A&E High Definition 1500 HD Theater 1501 MOJO (SDV) 1503 HD Net 1504 HDNET Movies 1506 Universal HD 1550 Movies on Demand HD 1555 HD Showcase On Demand 1700 HBO East High Definition 1720 Cinemax HD East 1740 Showtime High Definition 1760 Starz HD East Added July 2... 1014 TBS HD (SDV) 1023 Science HD (SDV) 1040 The Learning Channel HD (SDV) 1044 CNN HD (SDV) 1050 Travel HD (SDV) 1055 Versus/Golf HD (SDV) 1057 Animal Planet HD (SDV) 1060 Fox News HD (SDV) 1202 Outdoor HD (SDV) 1204 ESPN News HD (SDV) 1217 Biography HD (SDV) 1226 Planet Green HD (SDV) __________________ More HD will be added next month (SDV and non-SDV) as they plan to move many low watched SD channels to SDV. Should have over 100 by end of year. Supposedly, they'll have capacity for 500 HD channels. Discovery HD is far from a low watched channel. | |
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1 edit | Re: HD Channels in KC said by Joe12345678 :Discovery HD is far from a low watched channel. Now that Discovery content is distributed on other Disc channels, the core Disc channel now seems to have categorized stuff and not as watched. I watch HD Theatre, Science and Animal Planet often but not the core Disc channel as much anymore. | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Well clearly... It's in the cableco's best interests to not have folks using their own gear.
TiVo is unfortunately caught out in this. They have the best UI no question, but when you have to piggyback onto the provider's network you have a serious control problem.
TiVo states they're working with the cablecos to come up with a solution, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out that there isn't much motivation for the cable industry to have that solution in place.
TiVo's best bets are more device partnerships like they are doing with Comcast but hey we all know how long that's taking to roll out.
It's crap but it's getting to be harder for me to continue supporting TiVo just because of the inconvenience.
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| SDV How well does TimeWarner's SDV work? I know on Cablevision, if you can get the channel to load, it takes a good 10 seconds of "please stand by" before the channel comes up... again, that's assuming you don't get a "channel not available" message... are TimeWarner users seeing the same problems that we have on Cablevision right now? | |
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join:2007-09-17
1 edit | Re: SDV The time to switch channels is the same between SDV and non-SDV, at least on my cable box - usually about a second or two. May depend on model.
I have SA8300HDC. | |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| getting fed up... I'm seriously considering giving up cable tv altogether and just going with using my TivoHD's built-in ATSC tuners to record OTA. I'm sick of the crap and constant price increases from cable. The programs from channels I can't then receive I can always download, which is what I already do for many of them now anyway. | |
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TW No Thank You
@wayport.net
| How many times? Time-Warner rolled out the bucket trucks. Again.
For the fourth time in two years, they're re-cabling the whole neighborhood.
No doubt, they'll be claiming they need to charge higher prices to pay for this oh-so-clever engineering failure, after they charge more for "programming costs" they failed to negotiate, after they charge more for "free" digital services, after we have to pay more to view formerly-analog channels. Oh, and lets not forget their "savings" achieved by swapping (consolidating) territory with their rival(s). They'll continue to charge more and avoid getting OUT of the STB business by standardizing on cablecard. But they won't get a dime from me.
No, thanks. I'll keep using Netflix, RedBox, and rabbit ears. | |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Worst part about this is... "The overwhelming number of our customers want more HD programming, so to stay in the game when all our competitors are adding more HD programmning, we've got to do that."
The majority of these "HD" channels they are adding are not really HD! Take the Science Channel HD, they show the same exact program the SD SCI shows but stretched to 16:9 aspect ratio and 720P picture.
I am sorry that is NOT HD.
That is just a complete waste of bandwidth. They need to stop this rush to have more, more, more until there is actual HD programming available.
But Joe Six-pack is so used to having everything stretched on his new wide screen HDTV that he thinks every thing should be that way.
Personally I did not spend all this money on an HDTV to watch an intentionally distorted picture. | |
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fsdafdasfdasf
@spcsdns.net
| Re: Worst part about this is... 30-50% of the content on the 'secondary' HD channels are still HD. Would rather have that much more than no new HD channels. And the infrastructure is now in place for more HD content. It will take many many years for 100% of content to be HD. And old content never will be unless fully remastered. Bitchin about this is kind of a half-glass empty view.
But it does suck when they stretch/zoom 4:3 content. Very annoying. They should let the viewer decide as most HDTVs/cable boxes allow to do it manually. | |
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BillyKid
@rr.com
| TWC Milwaukee - Moves ESPN 2 HD to SDV It is clear by the choices of TWC that they are intentionally moving HD level content to SDV to prevent Cable Card Users from using a cable card.
I called today and after talking to 5 people I got "We are making the move to make cable better for you in the future, and you may not see the value now, but you will eventually." I responded, how is taking away the channels I pay EXTRA for each month a benefit for me, especially when you want me to continue to pay for those features and add another STB just to watch those channels. They just keep saying the company line over and over again until you get sick of complaining and you hang up.
If they really wanted to use SDV they would put on the real estate channels and the fit channel instead of ESPN 2 HD which gets a ton more use. Add to that the addition of HDNET and Mojo and they are clearly trying to prevent the CableCard user from using their card.
Now I'm one of those people who has a STB and the Cable Card on the same TV so my wife can record all of her shows and I can still watch the game in HD. In order for me to do this, I now have to trade in my Cable Card for a second STB and pay an extra $5 a month, every month, forever....What a deal hey?
Any chance for a class-action law suti against TWC for failure to provide content over cable cards as mandated?
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luckykevin
join:2005-04-30
Arlington, TX
| Re: TWC Milwaukee - Moves ESPN 2 HD to SDV twc north texas is taking the upgrade route we are not getting sdv
we are getting a 860mhz upgade from 750mhz system
and twc dropping analog channels 30-76 in 2009
because tivos
get west coast feeds
all hd channels offered
digital simulcasting
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