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| Re: They will be aware... My Grandma has had Satellite for 2 years now.
It took 3 years to convince her it was far better for her than the KA band big satellite dishes (the ones you had to move to the satellite to watch whatever channel you needed). Before that she had an antenna.
Yes, take care of your Grandparents/parents and get them a dish (Directv preferably, it is better!) Really folks, it is up to us to do these things for them, they do not know about a lot of changes or care.
My Grandma would download one thing a week, "prayer requests" and stuff for church she needed. Took forever (on dial-up of course) but she could not see paying the difference. I payed for verizon DSL for her, the lower package, dry loop. She does not know what it is or care but she knows she does not have to wait 30 minutes and deal with dropped calls, etc.
So, again, get out there and do a senior a favor. | |
|  |  |   baineschile Premium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Re: They will be aware... Or a local cable company...where they dont have to learn a new remote, which might as well be quantam mechanics to them. WHATS A GUIDE BUTTON?!!?!? | |
|  |  |  |  PDXPLT
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| What do you expect? Remember, we're talking about the folks that cruise the left lane of the freeway at 50 mph, all the while with their turn-sgnal blinkers on. 
The scary thing is, thanks to ARRP lobbyists, they're still allowed to drive, in most states without any additional testing. Like the 80 year-old senile relic that ran a red light and hit me.
Even scarier is that they're still allowed to vote.
Those sleazy local TV neporters that do the evening human interest stories (you know, the ones about the sad family with the kitten that got eaten by the neighbor's pit bull) must be salivating. I'm sure they're all set to do a bunch of stories in February about all the depressed Depends wearers who can't watch Lawrence Welk on PBS anymore, and can't figure out why. | |
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| Re: What do you expect? said by PDXPLT :The scary thing is, thanks to ARRP lobbyists, they're still allowed to drive, in most states without any additional testing. Like the 80 year-old senile relic that ran a red light and hit me. Even scarier is that they're still allowed to vote. Those sleazy local TV neporters that do the evening human interest stories (you know, the ones about the sad family with the kitten that got eaten by the neighbor's pit bull) must be salivating. I'm sure they're all set to do a bunch of stories in February about all the depressed Depends wearers who can't watch Lawrence Welk on PBS anymore, and can't figure out why. I hope you never get old, you have some nasty come-uppins coming your way. -- »www.amtrak.com »www.amtrakcalifornia.com »www.narprail.org »www.freighrailworks.org »www.up.com »www.bnsf.com »www.northcoastrailroad.org | |
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Still allowed to vote?! They are still allowed to run for Congress, and even worse, the Presidency!!

cw | |
|  |  |  |  |  contsole Premium join:2003-12-30 Bloomfield, CT
| said by PDXPLT :Even scarier is that they're still allowed to vote. I'd rather have a senior vote than some snot nosed teenager that just came from a Rock-the-Vote rally and has his head full of nonsense about the gov't holding their hand from cradle to grave. | |
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| I barely watch TV anymore. Nothing but crap, reruns, clutter, and commercials.
DTV, is just another excuse for the cable companies to find another reason to charge more, or add another fee, or find another way to pump commercials into your brain.
Oh yeah and, Digital either works, or it does not work. At least with analog there might be enough data (audio) to inform you that the infrastructure of the United States has been damaged and will give you clear info on what to do in a real emergency.
Sure the picture is terrific! When it works. At least with analog, you can pick up the football game half-assed with static and garbled audio. With DTV, it's going to be a black screen. | |
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| Re: They will be aware... said by murdok610 :I barely watch TV anymore. Nothing but crap, reruns, clutter, and commercials. Man, I'm glad I am not the only one saying this. Except for some PBS programming for my daughter (and the occasional watching of This Old House by my wife and I on PBS) we have been 100% television-free for ~5 years. I couldn't name 2 prime time shows if my life depended on it. It is quite liberating. We get all our news online, and our entertainment from DVDs (movies, old TV shows, etc). TV totally blows, and there's no way I'm spending 50 bucks a month to have "100 channels of nothing to watch" piped into a TV that's never on anyway.
said by murdok610 :Oh yeah and, Digital either works, or it does not work. At least with analog there might be enough data (audio) to inform you that the infrastructure of the United States has been damaged and will give you clear info on what to do in a real emergency. Again, thank you for showing me I'm not alone. I used the two $40 coupons to buy converter boxes (after reading all the reviews that gushed over how wonderful TV is in digital). Plugged them in.... and went from 7 available channels down to 2. The missing 5 were spotty reception (a bit snowy on occasion) but were certainly watchable enough. Now they show up with frozen pixelated screens, if they come in at all, and no audio.
Digital TV is progress? NOT in our case. I'd take our current analog situation over digital any day. | |
|   kljflower Premium join:2001-03-19 Tipp City, OH clubs: | In our area they are running banner ads nearly every evening Last night it was on during "Millionaire", so I can't imagine that in the Dayton, Ohio area that people aren't informed. | |
|  |   vsfl
@verizon.net | Re: In our area they are running banner ads nearly every evening I'm sure if they run a crawler ad on jeopardy and wheel of fortune for a couple of nights they will get the message across to our senior citizens. | |
|  Austinloop
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| Unaware Here, at least on the stations that we watch, there are "crawls" about the change, one of the stations gave away a wide screen a day for the month of July. I hear it mentioned periodically during early morning news programs and sometimes on the evening news shows.
Exactly what more can be done? It is being announced. I do not see how a large number can be unaware, unless they just pay no attention as to what is being said on the air. | |
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| Re: Unaware It is everywhere, on prime time TV and shows I watch.
I do not think it is the fact it is scrolling, posted everywhere, and notice is given. I think the problem is they do not understand. What do they do now? You expect seniors to run out, buy a box, and hook it up when there TV probably has not been touched in 10-20 years? NO!
And there are coupons, the only people that took advantage of those where mid-lower age people because they understood.
So annoy the hell out of me by scrolling that crap on EVERY show I watch is not going to help 70 year olds.
What would help is people actually taking action and doing it for them. This requires people to help including there grandchildren, children, neighbors, somebody to actually talk to them and try to help. | |
|  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| Re: Unaware What they need to do, the last, say, 2 weeks or so, they should letterbox the screen and state that the signal will go away in two weeks. When the signals stop, they should continue for about 30 days and show just barker screens that state analog TV is gone, and flash a help line to tell them how/where to get boxes or maybe a service where they can pay X amount of a tech to install a box. Also, scroll information on what happened and why the signals are gone.
By now, if people aren't aware, they have to be overly medicated to which NOTHING will work to inform them in time. | |
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| I am not seeing this problem Maybe Texans just pay more attention to the news. I haven't encountered a single Senior who wasn't aware of the transition. What I HAVE encountered is almost 100% misinformation about it, people who are convinced their TVs won't be able to pick up their cable and DirecTV/Dish programming when the transition occurs. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/2x 2048Mb G.Skill/Seagate 750.10/EVGA 8800GT's SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
|  |  systems2000 What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah
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| Re: I am not seeing this problem It's from all the stupid information being put out, by those that should know better, that the TV will stop working come Feb of 2009. 
The TV still works, there just won't be any high power transmissions to recieve. They still can get there local Low-Power, Class-A, and Translator stations (I'll have at least two (CW & PA PBS). | |
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| Re: My inlaws (almost 80 years old) said by en102 :Instantly, they had 58 OTA channels, including the subs (Los Angeles area). I helped a 76-year-old woman a couple weeks ago. Someone else she knows ordered the coupon for her. I went and bought the Radio Shack converter and installed it for her. Oh my God. "I never had channel 7. I don't *want* channel 7 because I didn't have it before. ... I never had two channel 15's... I never had to push two buttons to turn the TV off."
No she sits all day and watches the new .2 channels that constantly display temperature, weather radar, traffic conditions.
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| Do more? Other than going door to door what more will they do?
I'm sure my grandma (with no formal college education) had no idea what is going on or even why. The thing is she has her son that knows all about it.
I would bet that most of this Seniors have a family member or at least maybe a friend at the coffee shop that will know what happens when their TVs don't work. -- Member of the US Air Force since May 7th, 2002 To March 29th, 2005
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| Re: Do more? said by chucky5150 :I would bet that most of this Seniors have a family member or at least maybe a friend at the coffee shop that will know what happens when their TVs don't work. Got my grandparents set up with a converter seeing they've never had cable or digital satellite (They did have C-Band before it was all scrambled back in the 80s). Being between markets with a modest 84" outside antenna, they get over 20 channels. They couldn't be happier, "no more snow". | |
|  |   insomniac84
join:2002-01-03 Schererville, IN | Impossible Those commercials have been spamming tv. If they actually use their tv, they know about the switch. If they don't watch tv, then it doesn't really matter if they know or not. | |
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1 edit | How can you/they miss it? Every few hours, on nearly all channels, there are those commercials for DTV.gov and Comcast(probably other cable/sat service) commercials telling *us* that they have us covered.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DApYeDOez4
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join:2004-09-07 Bellingham, WA | Re: How can you/they miss it? Yes, but they don't understand it at all and think it's not going to effect them. | |
|   BillRoland Premium join:2001-01-21 Ocala, FL clubs:
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| Who cares? At this point, who cares? You have to be living under a rock or completely oblivious to life at this point NOT to know its coming. If they haven't bothered to be proactive and do anything about it, I'm not going to bother to feel sorry for them, simple as that.
Besides, why does this site act like the few dinosaurs still happy with OTA analog TV are some kind of huge majority and that the world is going to end when the signal goes off the air. When the cut off comes and their TV's go blank, they can either a) get a converter, b) just get used to not watching TV anymore. Either way the sun is still going to come up in the east.
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|  |  IanR
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1 edit | We should care Who cares? Good neighbors should care.
Of course many seniors, at least those who have not embraced the digital revolution, will be caught by surprise and no amount of ads will help.
What to do?
We should start a neighbor care project.
Those of us with elderly neighbors, whom we know rely upon OTA for TV reception, should make a point of asking them if they have both a converter box AND have got their Coupon to pay for it. If the answer to eitrher is NO the WE should step in and assist our elderly neighbor.
Don't expect anyone to close the gap here, unless it is a caring neighbor. | |
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| Re: We should care said by IanR :We should start a neighbor care project. Don't expect anyone to close the gap here, unless it is a caring neighbor. I do not want to sound like an ogre but I attempted to help a neighbor with a computer problem and was identified as the computer expert. Every time they had a problem with their computer they called me even though I am not a computer expert. They were disappointed when I could not solve a very complex problem and had to pay someone to fix their computer.
Anyone one helps with the conversion to DTV must understand that the helper is not the Local Television Engineer or they will be married to that seniors Television. | |
|  |  |  |  keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01 Youngsville, PA | Re: We should care It is a TV. I think after hooking up the box for them it will be over. Not much goes wrong with TVs. | |
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| Re: We should care No, but if the digital stations in the area are using UHF frequencies, an outside antenna with some height may be required depending on their location. Before I moved I was less than 6 miles from the local transmitting antennas and couldn't receive a decent digital signal. Now I am farther away and still can't get a good OTA signal. To be fair, the VHF analog signals weren't anything to write home about either -- which is why I got cable about 25 years ago. | |
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| Re: We should care Couple of things here. An antenna is an antenna, it knows not if the signal is DTV or NTSC (analog). There are good ones and bad ones. SOme VHF analog stations migrated to UHF. Some took the bull by the horns and maximised power levels to replicate their old analog coverage , and then some. Some took the cheap way out. Some of those are big four network outlets. They will have a problem, and there has been a whole lot of head in sand on the part of some marginal broadcasters. Some poured millions into each station. Those signals will be ok.
Now in analog coverage, some people were accustomed to watching a snowy picture. Here's where the problem will have one origin. Marginal signal. No snowy picture in DTV. Those who had marginal reception before may very well have none, unless an outside antenna is installed.
Another factor. Hundreds of VHF Highband (ch 7-13) analog stations who currently may have marginal DTV UHF stations will be switching to their analog channel on Feb 17 for digital. This should be locally announced, and will require all receivers to re-scan. It will still show the same channel number, this is controlled by PSIP information transmit by the station. The user, remember, has no real link to the actual channel, but really sees a "virtual" channel number. In these cases current marginal coverage will improve greatly. But many of these cheap bookshelf antennas (and even the not so cheap ones) are UHF ONLY.
Now to grandma. What you youngsters (I'm 55, I can say that)don't see is that many seniors just don't believe that TV is something you should pay for. In the 50's and 60's, when I grew up, for example, we had an antenna on the roof of the house to watch TV. worked fine, and most homes did the same. This is what grandma remembers. Next, many seniors cannot pay $100/month for TV. But some missed points in this thread are that a good number of the over the air viewers are not grandma, but folks who cannot afford cable at all, making choices between foor and cable, guess what wins. Its the person paying rent and food with an income of $800/month. They still need a lifeline for information. And I'm not talking Brian and Katie every evening, I'm talking about getting local information in times of emergency. You know, from the local version of "Ted Knight", with info on the impending hurricane, flood, etc.
How do I know these things? 33 years in TV Station and corporate level technical management dealing with about 30 tv stations, and for ten years this DTV thing has been what I have worked on. | |
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| Re: We should care said by georgec :Couple of things here. An antenna is an antenna, it knows not if the signal is DTV or NTSC (analog). There are good ones and bad ones. SOme VHF analog stations migrated to UHF. Some took the bull by the horns and maximised power levels to replicate their old analog coverage , and then some. Some took the cheap way out. Some of those are big four network outlets. They will have a problem, and there has been a whole lot of head in sand on the part of some marginal broadcasters. Some poured millions into each station. Those signals will be ok. Now in analog coverage, some people were accustomed to watching a snowy picture. Here's where the problem will have one origin. Marginal signal. No snowy picture in DTV. Those who had marginal reception before may very well have none, unless an outside antenna is installed. Another factor. Hundreds of VHF Highband (ch 7-13) analog stations who currently may have marginal DTV UHF stations will be switching to their analog channel on Feb 17 for digital. This should be locally announced, and will require all receivers to re-scan. It will still show the same channel number, this is controlled by PSIP information transmit by the station. The user, remember, has no real link to the actual channel, but really sees a "virtual" channel number. In these cases current marginal coverage will improve greatly. But many of these cheap bookshelf antennas (and even the not so cheap ones) are UHF ONLY. Now to grandma. What you youngsters (I'm 55, I can say that)don't see is that many seniors just don't believe that TV is something you should pay for. In the 50's and 60's, when I grew up, for example, we had an antenna on the roof of the house to watch TV. worked fine, and most homes did the same. This is what grandma remembers. Next, many seniors cannot pay $100/month for TV. But some missed points in this thread are that a good number of the over the air viewers are not grandma, but folks who cannot afford cable at all, making choices between foor and cable, guess what wins. Its the person paying rent and food with an income of $800/month. They still need a lifeline for information. And I'm not talking Brian and Katie every evening, I'm talking about getting local information in times of emergency. You know, from the local version of "Ted Knight", with info on the impending hurricane, flood, etc. How do I know these things? 33 years in TV Station and corporate level technical management dealing with about 30 tv stations, and for ten years this DTV thing has been what I have worked on. No you know what im 25 and i dont think we should be paying for any of this crap.
especially if they are FORCING you to switch ...
I think the problem here is not that they cant afford it the switch ..
because it seems there will be "coupons" or a way to just get a digital box ..
so even with all the commercials and the warnings... the elderly will still not know what is happening ?
thats their fault ..... has nothing to do that they cant afford it.
maybe the commercials that say this dont show up on the 3 channels they get on antenna.. but come on .. at this point.. i dont think they need TV.
they'll all be dead in a few years anyway ..
so its over.
lets move on . | |
|  |  Austinloop
join:2001-08-19 Austin, TX | Re: Who cares? Really compassionate, aren't you? | |
|  |  |  IanR
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1 edit | Re: Who cares? Mature (age) people in neighborhoods are often "leaned on" by less able (older) neighbors. Like it, or not, you do become some kind of "go to guy" for a few needy neighbors. I do think it's a community responsibility issue to help out older neighbors when a mini situation develops. Even if the advice is to go to a proper expert.
Re the topic of this thread, I think most of us would consider it no big deal to approach a couple of choice neighbors.
Another idea would be such a campaign spearheaded by a chain such as RatShack. If RS had a National campaign, thru town's Adult community workgroups, they might well get quite a bit of business as well as get more exposure and attention in their communities around their stores. | |
|  |  |  |  Austinloop
join:2001-08-19 Austin, TX | Re: Who cares? I am not sure what happened with the post, but my comment was aimed at BillRoland, not you. I agree with every thing that you said, IanR. | |
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join:2001-03-22 Madison, NJ | Re: Who cares? Austinloop,
My apologises. My error I have PM'ed you. | |
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1 edit | said by Austinloop :Really compassionate, aren't you? I get what you're saying, I'm just not sure how much "compassion" is warranted. We're talking about someone's TV turning to fuzz temporarily until they can get a converter installed. A TV temporarily going blank is not like electricity, gas, or water getting shut down. Worst case, they'll call a TV repairman thinking their TV is broken, who should be able to resolve the issue. Hopefully they have family or friends who will help them when the switchover gets close.
I'm guessing those seniors that AREN'T aware of it, don't even watch that much TV in the first place, which is how they're missing the PSAs.
Our elderly neighbors definitely noticed the commercials and were certainly aware. They asked me about it. They use cable though, so I told them they didn't need to worry about it. | |
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| Perhaps they don't watch TV... I just spent some time setting up a converter box for my sister (DTVPal, for its programming guide--which she needs); as part of that, and for fun, I set one up for myself (Zenith DTT901)--both of which work very well. And as part of testing and playing around with them, I had to actually watch some TV... I couldn't make it through the typical half-hour without seeing at least 2 PSA's for the digital transition. I think that if anyone is unaware of the "impending doom" of DTV, then they don't actually watch OTA TV... so they aren't really losing anything (as if TV were worth keeping; well, PBS is OK). | |
|   Jwobot
join:2002-08-14 Sterling Heights, MI 2 edits | Old Antenna's don't work. People are also not aware that you need a new antenna to watch digital. They hook up their box with the old rabbit airs and don't get the channels. I have heard of people having this problem. | |
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| Really? Wow Really? My grandmother who live in the middle of nowhere and doesn't have a computer or Internet access knows about the upcoming transition as she has already purchased digital converter boxes for her TVs, using those $40 government coupons.
I know it's anecdotal, but I wouldn't think seniors would be that out of touch. | |
|  |  older dog Premium join:2005-06-09 Norwich, NY
| Re: Really? Wow Most are not that out of touch. Many only pay attention to the news and maybe one or two other shows. the TV is on primarily as background fill noise.
After 50 or more years of practice at ignoring commercials I am sure many never notice the PSAs | |
|  |   fireflier Coffee. . .Need Coffee Premium join:2001-05-25 Limbo
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| They'll just complain Those who aren't aware of the digital transition by this point will probably take note of the static where a channel once was and complain how much more reliable things were "when they were growing up". . . -- Tradition: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid. --despair.com | |
|   CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County | How many of the 25%.... actually watch TV? I would bet a good chunk rarely or if ever watch tv... | |
|   Hehe
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| The over-the-air broadcasters need to tell users The cable, sat, FIOS and HD-TV people don't need to know.
Just require the analog over-the-air broadcasters to tell their viewers "Your screen will go blank soon!". Maybe give a demo and require all analog TV to go off-line for 1 day each month until the end. | |
|  |  koolkid1563 Premium,MVM join:2005-11-06 Powell, WY clubs: | Re: The over-the-air broadcasters need to tell users I thought a station somewhere did that for a couple of hours one day, just shut their analog station off and left their digital station active. | |
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| Re: The over-the-air broadcasters need to tell users Wilmington NC is going to shut off all their analog stations permanently in about a month. I believe the idea is to see how much outcry there is. I bet there's not much, unless some cable company gets caught with their pants down still relying on the analog feed. -- Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over the choice for President put forth by either party. | |
|  |  AstroBoy
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| said by Hehe :
The cable, sat, FIOS and HD-TV people don't need to know.
Just require the analog over-the-air broadcasters to tell their viewers "Your screen will go blank soon!". Maybe give a demo and require all analog TV to go off-line for 1 day each month until the end. That's what I was thinking! | |
|  Qixotl
join:2002-02-08 New Milford, CT
| Seen the opposite as well My grandmother (she is 96) was worrying about the switchover to digital about a year ago because of all of the initial media education attempts. It took a few times for my parents to convince her that she is not affected she has cable TV, but we got the message across. My parents are just barely senior citizens and they fully understand the situation. That is mostly because I have been keeping them informed about it for about five years now, but they certainly are not oblivious to the marketing. Sadly though, my 20 year old nephew asked for a 480i only CRT TV for Christmas last year, but it at least has a digital tuner and it is widescreen. He is ready to go, though he won't get the full benefit of HD broadcasts. | |
|   N O Y B St. John 3.16
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| Engineered Statistics for SensationalismThe article focuses on the wrong statistics. Percentage of people that are unaware of the change is irrelevant.
The important statistic is both percentage and absolute number of people who are unaware of the change that are using over the air reception and therefore will actually be impacted by the lose of signal.
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| Re: Engineered Statistics for Sensationalism The article is wrong in far more than one way, guess we have to believe because it was posted on a blog, it's true.
How absolutely ridiculous, uneducated seniors tag 1:3, for one thing the less educated are far more likely to watch TV and therefore see the multiple ads and for another it's such a crass biased statement to suggest seniors are stupid, or that education could or would even impact those who watch TV at a senior level.
Oh, It's the net, somebody still needs to figure out HOW to do a study; nothing there that indicated any of the principal considerations of a 'Study'; was even a thought.
People believe this horse shit, really? | |
|  russotto
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| Nothing more need be done. At a certain point, you have to decide that there's been enough warning. Some people couldn't get a clue if they were given the keys to the clue factory, and there's just no point in spending ever-increasing amounts of effort to get through to them. They don't _want_ to be gotten through to. | |
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