  Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 |  Nip it in the bud
If you've had a cell phone overage, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Go over by 100 minutes or so and BAM, your cell phone bill just went up $50. The MSOs and ILECs are viewing that like an excited kid standing in front of the oven waiting for the cookies to come out. They just have to figure out how to sneak one without Grandma knowing. | |
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danry25Premium
join:2008-05-21
Seattle, WA | Thats Just Depressing. Wow, I never thought their traffic would decline!  I mean weren't they the inexpensive tier 1 isp! | |
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join:2002-09-11
Burlington, WI
 ·Time Warner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: Thats Just Depressing. I had used them back in 2000. Worst ISP ever! Constant network latency issues and worst network I have ever seen. I wouldn't ever think of going back to them.
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| |  SLDPremium
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | Re: Thats Just Depressing. I've had the opposite experience. Latency issues have come about, but because of other, larger transit carriers screwing up Cogent traffic. But Cogent pushed through resolution and amazing customer service. YMMV, and I've only been with them since the beginning of the year. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | I don't believe they're tier 1. | |
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| |  IgnitePremium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK | Re: Thats Just Depressing. said by openbox9:I don't believe they're tier 1. Believe it or not they certainly are  | |
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| | | SLDPremium
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | Re: Thats Just Depressing. Technically, they are tier 2. Sales calls it tier 1, but talk to support and they know they are tier 2. | |
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| | |  scoobyPremium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
kudos:1 | said by Ignite:said by openbox9:I don't believe they're tier 1. Believe it or not they certainly are Cogent buys transit which means they are not tier 1.
"A Tier 1 Network is an IP network (typically but not necessarily an Internet Service Provider) which connects to the entire Internet solely via Settlement Free Interconnection, also known as settlement free peering" | |
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| | | |  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| Re: Thats Just Depressing. said by scooby:said by Ignite:said by openbox9:I don't believe they're tier 1. Believe it or not they certainly are Cogent buys transit which means they are not tier 1. They don't buy transit anymore:
»www.renesys.com/blog/2008/06/cog···tml#more
In my book, that's Tier-1, marketing BS aside. Yes, they have paid-peering, but that's not transit. | |
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| | | | | scoobyPremium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
kudos:1 | Re: Thats Just Depressing. I stand corrected. As of June 26th, 2008 they appear to be a tier 1 network by the book definition. Cogent is definitely not a bad provider, I would just never want to be single homed to them. Cogent is a perfect fit for a second or third provider. Bang for the buck is quite high. | |
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| | | | | | sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ Reviews:
·Optimum Online
| Re: Thats Just Depressing. said by scooby:I stand corrected. As of June 26th, 2008 they appear to be a tier 1 network by the book definition. Cogent is definitely not a bad provider, I would just never want to be single homed to them. Cogent is a perfect fit for a second or third provider. Bang for the buck is quite high. I just stumbled upon that Renesys blog today. I like it quite a bit.
Their other article about Cogent not sucking is really good:
»www.renesys.com/blog/2007/08/cog···on.shtml
At work we recently were dabbling in metro ethernet stuff. I have never, ever had a harder time trying to give people money. ConEd/RCN business, I'm looking right at you. How can you not know if you have f*cking equipment in a building or not???? | |
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| | | | | said by Ignite:said by openbox9:I don't believe they're tier 1. Believe it or not they certainly are You are certainly wrong. By definition they are tier 2. There is no debate. look up the definition of tier 1 and tier 2 then read through Cogents public documents you can find on the internet. It's quite obvious | |
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| |  Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
kudos:2 | »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network
So technically they are one of the 14 ISPs that could be considered tier 1, however because of the free peering settlement issues Cogent has had in the past you could argue Tier 2... | |
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| | | | | Re: Thats Just Depressing. said by Jerm:» en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_networkSo technically they are one of the 14 ISPs that could be considered tier 1, however because of the free peering settlement issues Cogent has had in the past you could argue Tier 2... No you fail to understand. See my other post. Skip wikipedia and the read the definition of Tier 1 and tier 2 then find Cogents public documents on the net and read them | |
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| | | | Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
kudos:2 | Re: Thats Just Depressing. cap... no it's you who fail to understand.
Instead of throwing out a "read docs" I'd rather have you read the actual wiki article I linked to.
It does a great job of laying out the whole scenario.
Essentially by strict definition, settlement free peering is required for Tier 1 status. But when it really comes down it to, all ISPs at some point or another pay each other, just it may not be for peering data.
Again, just read that article it lays it out all quite well. If you feel differently why don't you go ahead and update it? Thats what a wiki is for after all | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Thats Just Depressing. said by Jerm:If you feel differently why don't you go ahead and update it? Thats what a wiki is for after all
[/BQUOTE :Dont tell him that he will screw it up worst. | |
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| | average is 4.5 minutes I blast that out of the water with watching one legal time shifted tv episode of Martin on youtube. | |
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|  KoolMoeAw ManPremium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD | Re: average is 4.5 minutes That struck me as odd too. SO folks really are just watching a couple minute-long YouTube videos or getting their rocks off in just a couple minutes of porn? Online video like at NBC, ABC, Hulu, etc. really isn't used all that much?
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| | openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: average is 4.5 minutes said by KoolMoe:SO folks really are just watching a couple minute-long YouTube videos or getting their rocks off in just a couple minutes of porn? Online video like at NBC, ABC, Hulu, etc. really isn't used all that much? KM The average user's consumption is 4.5 minutes per day. Traditional content distribution is still king.consumers watch Internet video for an average of 4.5 minutes per day and traditional broadcast television for 4.5 hours per day | |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  Cogent blowing smoke because competitors eating their lunch
Cogent began seeing the rate of Internet traffic growth decelerate early this year. In both April and May the company saw 1% sequential traffic growth, far below its historical levels, which, compounded over the past five years, have been around 120%. And the company’s observations coincide with the latest worldwide Internet traffic measurements from the University of Minnesota, which indicate growth continuing at 50% to 60% annually but perhaps at a slightly slower rate. Traffic growth is still high. It is only Cogent that is trailing. It sounds like Cogent's CEO is making excuses for his companies poor performance.
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Cogent blowing smoke because competitors eating their lunch Maybe Cogent should play nicer in their peering agreements. They might see more traffic if they weren't occasionally in peering disputes. | |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | i blame i blame the economy. people need to have 2 and 3 jobs to keep afloat. that means, less time porn surfing. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: i blame Yaknow, Cogent DOES have other big names" on their network, like Blip.tv and Carbonite backup. Also, it looks like their network and such ave gotten better over the years as their pricing has gone down, to the point that you get more than you pay for. Plus, who's going to offer you a symmetric fiber connection direct to the internet, without oversubscription, for a price in the range of residential internet per megabit? Cogent, nobody else. | |
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| | SLDPremium
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA
3 edits | Re: i blame Yep, we're paying $6/Mbit burstable to 1Gig. Try to get that from Level3 LOL. Of course, we are single-homed with them, and do mainly video distribution, but I run a bunch of other websites off the bandwidth and have very few issues. Its easy to overlook the occasional dispute for these prices. And I think of these peering disputes as the market working itself out. If Cogent wasn't pushing, then who would be? | |
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| |  pspcrazyAnime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | How much does it cost you per month to use them on average also do they have direct ethernet to residential? | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: i blame They're a Tier 1 IP proivder, so loop from their POPs is more expensive, but that's where an enterprising ISP would get last mile stuff put together.
Also, cost per month...just look at Telephony Online's article to see their rates. Even paying for a $2000 wireless setup you come out ahead after a short while if you're even close to one of their POPs. | |
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 telcolackey5The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA | Cogent data vs. Internet data People should think long and hard before they assume what Cogent is seeing in their business is what the industry is experiencing as a whole
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|  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Vitelity VOIP
| Re: Cogent data vs. Internet data Very, very true. It's important to keep in mind that the majority of the other carriers didn't just piss of their subscriber base by segmenting Internet reachability over a peering dispute.
There's been many large Internet hosting data centers who have dropped their Cogent connections over that stunt. | |
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