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Broken royalty system threatens webcasters
(old news - 10:11AM Sunday Aug 17 2008)
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Internet radio webcasters are nearing their "last stand," according to a piece today in the Washington Post. A company like Pandora, which has roughly 1 million daily listeners, pays nearly 70% of their $25 million revenue on royalties -- an arrangement that could force the company out of business, according to the company's founder. "We're approaching a pull-the-plug kind of decision," says founder Tim Westergren. "This is like a last stand for webcasting." While traditional and satellite radio pay far less (and in some cases virtually no) royalties, the Copyright Royalty Board drastically ramped up the costs paid by Internet broadcasters after being pressured by the entertainment industry. Negotiations are still underway, but the Post suggests that things aren't looking good for Internet radio.

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furlonium
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Saddening

I've been a listener of Digitiallyimported since 2001, and though they have a pay per month option for higher bitrate streams, I'd hate to see anything happen to them (or any other independent webcaster).

TSI Gabe
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Re: Saddening

Same story here. Listen to Digitiallyimported since about 2001-2000ish. And It would be a shame for royalties to wipe Internet Radio into oblivion.
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Kearnstd
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i hope atleast a few stations give SoundExchange and the Courts and the RIAA a big middle finger and move their servers to a country that has reasonable laws verses this Extortion that the US industry is running.

clearly what is being done here Violates the RICO act since Satellite and Broadcast pay nearly nothing, Internet radio is basicly paying protection money and not royalties.
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I'm yet another avid fan of DI.fm, and I agree that this is nonsense. Truth be told, if IP radio stations are forced off the air, I'll just stop listening to music altogether.

For me, the days of (over)paying for CD's are long gone.

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Sigh...

70% of their money on royalties is ridiculous. I hate to see Pandora go down as I really enjoy their service. The same goes for DI, Shoutcast and other webstations.

a333
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Re: Sigh...

Agreed, this really sucks big time for the webcasters. The more that this kind of $hit goes down, the closer I get to boycotting the MAFIAA's CD's/DVD's. This organization is seriously getting out of control, and will, in time, bear the fruits of its greed....

ifarrell

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Indeed. I listen to these services on a daily basis as part of my daily music mix staple.
If these greedy SOB's are allowed to get away with sucking 70% and shutting these services down then they'll get nothing. Hmmm....70% of of nothing is?????
Thanks to Pandora, etc. I actually got some CD's of bands I would have never done otherwise. I guess these bozo's in the *IAA just will never get it.
ARE YOU LISTENING YOU BUNCH OF $&^KERS. There, better now!

Quake110

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Can't they migrate to another country? Because that's just ridiculous!

GOLFnSUN
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I guess it depends on how you monetize your product. Rhapsody sells subscriptions and doesn't just depend on ads. And they also get ISPs to pay for their product and then give it to their customers. So money can be made in internet radio while paying the royalties. Maybe Pandora needs a different business plan to make more profits.

From the Washington Post story:
SoundExchange officials argue that because different media have different profit margins, it is appropriate to set different royalty rates.

Moreover, they complain, Internet radio stations have done too little to make money from playing their songs.

Pandora makes advertising money only from spots placed on its Web page, not on audio ads that run between songs.
And »www.last.fm which is owned by CBS and offers free music also is doing OK. The problem with some internet radio offerings may be the companies that don't have a legitimate business plan. They have plans that were based on getting the music for free or for almost free. Why should the RIAA support them and take money from companies that are paying the requested fees to the RIAA.
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Re: Rhapsody & last.FM seem to be doing OK

why can internet radio not operate under the same regs as public radio? or a non-profit/not for profit model? would that not reduce/eliminate the bribs tey have to pay?
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Re: Rhapsody & last.FM seem to be doing OK

said by bear73 See Profile :

why can internet radio not operate under the same regs as public radio? or a non-profit/not for profit model? would that not reduce/eliminate the bribs tey have to pay?
Becuse it threatens the Clear Channel and alike's monopoly, the douche channels and their fixed income.

RIAA is a Potemkin-facade of the same Five Families of Media, it's their extortion team.

Again, it's time to bring a RICO case against all these studios - all we need is ONE LEAK who provides the emails etc and they are gone, for good, forever.
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kamm

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SO in other words if they belong to a giant douche corp like CBS then it's fine?

Geez, it's soo laughable as you brake the neck of basic logic in order to defend this current corporate-plutocracy, headed for the XIX century ultra-right-wing market-mob situation...
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

I guess it depends on how you monetize your product. Rhapsody sells subscriptions and doesn't just depend on ads....
Pandora makes advertising money only from spots placed on its Web page, not on audio ads that run between songs.
Sounds like you don't listen to or support Pandora. They also have a subscription service which is ad free -- the cost last time I paid was $36 per year.
Kearnstd
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maybe no ads in the audio is why Pandora is so popular. and SE is spewing bullshit about charging different rates for different methods. Broadcast radio makes far more money then internet radio, however Internet Radio doesnt have powerful corporations behind it like Clearchannel.
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They did it again that terrible that "4" letter organization. I'm not buying your cd's and your name is blacklisted.

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RIAA has NO Artists Interest

It is clear to me that the RIAA has no artists' interest and NO artist should support the RIAA. As an avid listener of Pandora this is terrible and very unfair. Internet radio WAS the future, why do they need to pay more in royalties? What a loss for music lovers and a loss for new artists trying get heard!
bicker

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Re: RIAA has NO Artists Interest

How incredibly self-serving. The RIAA exists to maximize the value of the content owners' assets. It's called capitalism, and it is the keystone of American's greatness. Internet radio can be the future if listeners would be willing to make it worthwhile. But no: Listeners don't patronize advertisers enough to make Internet broadcasting worthwhile.

Instead of lashing out at good folks doing their job RIGHT, why not take responsibility for your own actions, and for the actions of all other listeners? Listeners will be the only ones to blame if Internet broadcasters go under.

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Re: RIAA has NO Artists Interest

said by bicker See Profile :

How incredibly self-serving. The RIAA exists to maximize the value of the content owners' assets. It's called capitalism, and it is the keystone of American's greatness.
BRUHAHAHAHA! Is there anyone who still believes this utter BS...?

It's NOT capitalism, only an idiot can't see the difference between market force and corporate-corrupt legislation and its anti-competitive outcome.

This story is a shining example what's broken in the US for decades now.

quote:
Internet radio can be the future if listeners would be willing to make it worthwhile. But no: Listeners don't patronize advertisers enough to make Internet broadcasting worthwhile.

No, listeners don't want to finance such an ILLEGAL MOB like RIAA/MPAA/etc - I still wait for the first RICO-case to be presented against this mob, with a properly prepared team.

It's only a matter of time, don't worry.

quote:
Instead of lashing out at good folks doing their job RIGHT,

Like WHO? RIAA who does NOT REPRESENT ANYONE EXCEPT THE MIDDLEMEN, the bloodsucking studios, whose staff - thanks God - dropping faster than flies now?

We do not need the MIDDLEMEN. We need the artists and they can contract their distribution with any website or independent label or do their own distrib - NOBODY NEEDS Jack Valentis, these disgusting parasites (I know, he's dead already but still, he was always a classic disgusting Hollywood worm) .

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why not take responsibility for your own actions, and for the actions of all other listeners? Listeners will be the only ones to blame if Internet broadcasters go under.

What a load of BS. RIAA HAS NO RIGHT TO FORCE THEM OUT, period. They are a criminal enterprise now.
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Re: RIAA has NO Artists Interest

Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.

Karl Bode
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Re: RIAA has NO Artists Interest

Lets take the "Un-Ameircan" cable news network level discourse elsewhere.

kamm

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said by bicker See Profile :

Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.
ROFLMAO - priceless post!

You are truly some clueless small-town bigot, grown up on FauxNews, you just proved.
Hey, you made it into my sigline...
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Re: RIAA has NO Artists Interest

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Gosh you just couldn't get even one thing right. I'm a well-informed, urbanite. I believe in honor and respect for the law and for property rights. It is a shame that you have no respect for anything other than your own personal wants.
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time to promote piracy.

well atleast that is what will likely happen if Net Radio stations start to go off the air in bulk. stuff like Pandora was a Free and Legal way to get music of reasonable quality. if the industry steals that from people, lots of people will turn to the pirate bay for their next music.
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Re: time to promote piracy.

said by Kearnstd See Profile :

well atleast that is what will likely happen if Net Radio stations start to go off the air in bulk. stuff like Pandora was a Free and Legal way to get music of reasonable quality. if the industry steals that from people, lots of people will turn to the pirate bay for their next music.
LOL! No one ever accused them(RIAA) of being very bright. Fools!
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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

if the industry steals that from people, lots of people will turn to the pirate bay for their next music.
That could very well be their next project: Radio Bay -
streaming music all over the world.
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centsofhumor

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good luck riaa...

when you have less revenue coming in, what are you gonna blame it on? Pirating? Your Just screwing yourselves.
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Re: good luck riaa...

said by centsofhumor See Profile :

when you have less revenue coming in, what are you gonna blame it on? Pirating? Your Just screwing yourselves.
Nah, they wont say that. They will just raise CD prices even more, and sit there and wonder why CD sales keep going down....

So, let me get this straight, the billion dollar artists want more money? Anyone wanna start a band?

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Re: good luck riaa...

This is a case of the greedy megacorps killing the goose that lays the golden egg. If they kill streaming audio (which is what their plan is), they will kill the EXPOSURE that comes from it. Exposure is what leads to sales, not advertising. But they look at the bottom line for the quarter, and, being as shortsighted as they are (take a hint MPAA), they are killing future revenue generation for a short term gain. And it's not just the **ASSASS's that suffer from this. AT&T, Qworst, Comcrap all suffer from this tunnel vision, maximizing profits today but giving up revenue in the future.
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all the old hat american corporations suffer from that tunnel vision. they live in a world where the stock holder's quarterly profit matters more then the long term future.
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bicker

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Re: good luck riaa...

The reality is that you couldn't care less about their profits. You just want your radio, cheap or free. The folks who DO care about profits make decisions that you don't like. Not a big surprise. They are actually fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities, and basing their decisions on real expertise, knowledge, experience and research. They're living and working in the real world, not in the fantasy-land you seem to be alluding to.
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Re: good luck riaa...

said by bicker See Profile :

The reality is that you couldn't care less about their profits. You just want your radio, cheap or free. The folks who DO care about profits make decisions that you don't like. Not a big surprise. They are actually fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities, and basing their decisions on real expertise, knowledge, experience and research. They're living and working in the real world, not in the fantasy-land you seem to be alluding to.
Your kidding right? Artists are making billions of dollars, yet they want to whine and moan that piracy is hurting them. Or wait is that just the RIAA that is doing the whining and moaning? Look at Nine Inch Nails, they made more money by offering as a "pay what you want" download than publishing it to CD (its around the internet, google it). The reality I live in is that CD sales are not down because of piracy, but its down because of this thing we call the internet...where I can buy the same CD for less than I can in the store. So, which should I get in my car, which wastes gas (which costs money if you can't figure that out), to drive to the store, to pick up the CD, to wait in line, then drive back home. Or what about 5 clicks and I got the whole album in about 5-10 minutes; and best of all didn't even have to leave my chair.

People need to wake up and ask the "what if" questions. Lets say for example pandora closed their doors today; piracy will go up because people want to listen to artists' music. Pandora is a legal way to listen to free music, if you take that away people will find other means to listen to music for free...ie pirate it. And if you don't think people will figure it out...humans are VERY resourceful and if you back them into a corner they will figure out to get what they want for how ever much they are willing to pay for it (ie nothing).

This my rant for the day
bicker

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Re: good luck riaa...

Why in the world would I be kidding? How much anyone is making isn't the point: Content owners getting full value for their assets is the point. Their property; their rules. That's the law, and how it should be. Your rant is a common rejoinder by folks trying to rationalize transgressive behaviors, such as piracy. It's wrong.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

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Re: good luck riaa...

I think my point went above your head.
My main point of the rant is that if services like pandora go away, people will just find another way to get music for free.
Now, the music industry is just shooting itself in the foot; by raising the prices and driving streaming services out of business it will only create LESS NOT MORE revenue for them. Though in the end it will probably balance out, but its only screwing over the end consumer.

Which is better for everyone: services like pandora that pay the artists (through adverts and premium services) or piracy? And don't try and say that people will start buying CDs if pandora goes out, they will either find a service like pandora (last.fm for example) or just pirate the music. In people's minds it makes no sense to not pay for something...then to start paying for something unless they absolutely HAVE TO. Sure, some people will, but the general populous wont.

I never said that they weren't getting "full value" for their assets. And I never said piracy is OK, or try to "rationalize" it. But, the sad truth is people do it, they know exactly full well what they are doing....hell some do it with pride. Piracy will always exist, you can NOT stop piracy (you can deter it, but you can't stop it). And the usual trend is the more you deter it, the more it becomes a problem. They only way to stop piracy this is to monitor EVERY HUMAN 24/7 to make sure they aren't coping that CD for a friend or downloading a song through an encrypted channel.

And how much money they have is the big point! All these artists can give away their "assets" and still rake in a profit, nine inch nail proved this. So why are artists keep increasing the price of their "assets"?
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Re: good luck riaa...

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

I think my point went above your head.
Not a chance. Your point was, as I said, a rationalization for transgressive behavior. It isn't your place to tell others how much they should charge for what they sell. They shouldn't be expected to keep their prices below their true value because of how selfish pirates are.

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And still they will complain

That they are losing money to piracy when in reality they have taxed the legal sources into oblivion. They will push the blame in any direction, except the one that it belongs.

They need to learn basic economics, supply and demand. When you want to charge more than people want to pay you will sell fewer units. So, you have to find the sweet spot where you make the most profit selling the fewest units at the highest price. If the market changes you have to adjust your pricing accordingly.
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Yarr.

This may issue in a new generation of radio pirates.

DOStradamus
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With HD Radio up and running, RIAA is simply a Bigot!

Is the RIAA aware of HD Radio? Since they consider a "garden variety" webcast stream (64Kbps, MP3) to provide "perfect" copies of their members' product, HD Radio should really rankle that lawyer-and-accountant infested organization to no end! Its sound quality easily beats 99.44% of the webcast streams out there. CBS Radio provides streams of their O-and-O stations that broadcast in HD here:
»www.cbsradio.com/streaming/index···t_format

It seems that they've even put the extra effort forth to get "darn close" to HD broadcast quality. It's worth a look and listen.

Terrestrial HD radio pays the same public-performance royalties an analog stations do, and their quality beats the netcasters' streams (repeated for emphasis).

For the (fornication)heads at the RIAA to continue their Klanning at the webcasters, with the current technology the over-the-air folks have now, makes them deserving of a gift of "hot cross buns", as defined by George Carlin: "Take one of their burning crosses and shove it right up their collective ..."
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Re: With HD Radio up and running, RIAA is simply a Bigot!

If you want to fight back against the RIAA I will let you in on a little secret:

When HD Radio was first implement, there was a stipulation set forth that no device capable of integrating with a PC would be allowed iBiquity licensing. Thats why there are no HD Radio tuner cards or USB recievers on the market.
Why? Because the digital HD Radio signal is typically so close to CD quality that anyone could record it and have an mp3 of much higher quality than the mp3's available for purchase. They were also aware of the current legislation that permits personal use recording of radio stations broadcasts that use our public airwaves. IOW, if such capability became possible and popular, it could likely result in the end of their lucrative business.

But, they screwed up, as someone came along and hacked two models of HD Radio recievers so that they could interface with a personal computer.

So if you have one of these recievers along with some cheap interface hardware and software offered through HD RadioPC, you can automatically record all the songs played by an HD Radio station to high bitrate mp3 files, each one labeled correctly with artist and title. IOW, all the free mp3 files you could ever want, and its completely legal.

Thats pretty cool as it is, and it makes the RIAA quiver whenever they see that site referenced, but the software creators went much further than that. They developed a way to securely share the reciever control and audio over the internet. So, you can control and listen to your HD Radio reciever attached to your home PC from your office PC, even if your office happened to be in a different country.
You can also provide that same remote capability to another family member or friend. I'm sure you get the idea..

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Re: With HD Radio up and running, RIAA is simply a Bigot!

I'm listening to CBS' stream of KROQ-HD2 right nowm, through my Sony amp and Klipsch speakers... Let's just say that the somewhere between 320Kbps MP3 and FLAC quality has me working on a little "project" I can already tune amongst 10 presets, and "almost" have the atrist/title/album info...

-NK
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Re: With HD Radio up and running, RIAA is simply a Bigot!

Any bitrate over 320 kbps would be a waste actually. If you do the math; the HDC (based upon MPEG-4 HE-AAC+) codec that HD Radio uses for its digital data can obtain true CD quality at a station broadcast bitrate of 100 kbps. HD Radio stations actually broadcast at a slightly lower bitrate of 96 kbps. The HDC codec is approx. three times more efficient at data compression than the mp3 codec. Thus, 3 X 96 = 288 kbps for an mp3 to accurately reproduce a 96 kbps HD Radio broadcast stream. Anything much more would just be unneeded overhead.

KrK
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When copyright laws are broken....

then the laws themselves should be broken.

Too bad a legit operation can't do this. So all that's left is Pirate outfits.

koma3504
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Extortion @ it's finest

All they will do is force more people to download via p2p so they can bring frivioulas lawsuits agianst more people in hopes of stealing more $$$$$$$$
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Load gun, aim at foot

The music industry really wants to kill itself. Most people buy music after discovering it somewhere else. If the music industry kills Internet radio, only local radio stations and satellite radio will be left for discovering new music. Internet radio as a whole, but especially Pandora, lets people discover music in a very unique way that can't be done over local or satellite radio.

I honestly don't understand why the music industry wants to stop people from listening to music. That's exactly what they are doing here. By being greedy, they are going to end up getting dramatically less money. They lose the existing revenue from Internet radio, and people buy less music since they aren't able to find out that it exists in the first place.

If they don't want my business anymore, fine. I'll take my money elsewhere.

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The beginning of the end hopefully!

Internet radio will not die, it will simply be forced to play from a better selection of artists. That's right, the ones that aren't overlorded by the RAFIAA. This is the way to destroy those greedy bastards in the long run.
Clueless: "Hey, have you heard the new Britney(R) Spores(C) song?"
Clued: "What? You still listen to that crap?? Check out this new band that's climbing fast on internet radio--their music is really great!"
Clueless: "Dayum, those tunes are the best! Cya Britney(R)!"
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Re: The beginning of the end hopefully!

Here's the problem: Even if the Internet radio stations play 100% indie label songs, they still have to pay SoundExchange the licensing fees. This is because SoundExchange (via the US Copyright Office) has been deemed the collector of all compulsory license fees. Whether or not the artist/their label is a member of SoundExchange.

SoundExchange will keep the funds in an account for the indie artist to collect. Of course, collecting the funds means becoming a member of SoundExchange and paying them a membership fee. An artist literally cannot say "I give permission for this song to be played for free on Internet Radio stations." SoundExchange will still demand fees for said songs and will hold onto the money until the artist decides to pay SoundExchange the extortion membership fee to free it up. (More info: »www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/24/141326/870 )
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Re: The beginning of the end hopefully!

Interesting info, but in practicality, won't hold water. Internet station A asks artist B if it's OK to play their music. B gives permission to A to do this. C comes along and says: "Hey you just played music on the internets! You owe me money!" A & B then proceed to laugh C out of town because C has questionable, if any, right to do such a thing.

Edit for clarity: So just because SoundExchange says A and/or B owe them money, doesn't mean they will ever get that money.
By the way, you owe me $200 for posting here.
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really sucks.

I listen to to di.fm and several other radio stations on the web. Pandora is a god send at work. Especially now that its on my iPhone.

I would hate to see all these places go down the tubes.
It all leaves a bitter taste in the mouth when you think of certain record companies.

Kythlyn

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