  Matt Take me down to the paradise city Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC | Yep... business as usual
This is not surprising at all and exactly what most people thought was going on. -- Linux Haters Unite! | |
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Also... comcast get rid of your entertainment sections, I see you are selling movies directly from your site. Start thinking about upgrading your old crappy system before you start making sites that sell movies... there are other better sources for that type of content... UPGRADE YOUR OLD CRAPPY EQUIPMENT COMCAST!! | |
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| Re: Yep... business as usual no they need to expand to new customers first before they add more speed and bandwidth to currant customer's.using more than 250 GB is completely ridiculous.they ought to just cut you off
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| Re: Yep... business as usual It always amazes me how some people want to dictate how I use my connection! I'm the one paying for it, NOT YOU!  -- »www.wwiivehicles.com
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Fortunately I'm with an ISP that doesn't cap. -- »www.wwiivehicles.com
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| Re: Yep... business as usual said by csiemers :Then it sounds like the company need to improve it's shared infrastructure. Fortunately I'm with an ISP that doesn't cap. This post made me chuckle. Is your ISP Earthlink? | |
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| said by espaeth :said by csiemers :It always amazes me how some people want to dictate how I use my connection! I'm the one paying for it, NOT YOU!  Until you start using more than the break-even amount of bandwidth on shared infrastructure. Than my bill starts to go to subsidize your usage. It's like welfare, only we subsidize the greedy instead of the needy. Um, isn't that already standard practice at all cable companies?
I have to pay for your ESPN, even though I would never watch it, if I want to get any cable-tv channels at all.
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1 edit | Re: Yep... business as usual said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :This is not surprising at all and exactly what most people thought was going on. And the "WE THE PEOPLE" crowd are now getting what they demanded - an announced & marketed hard cap. And instead of 1,000/mo of the very worst abusers getting booted, Comcast gets to boot many many more within a couple months of Oct 1(new rules give an extra 30 days beyond 1st month before termination). So say around Dec 1 or thereabouts, we can start reading all the woeful stories about how "I was not an abuser, but just an advanced user backing up my terabytes of disk storage". Moral of story: "Be honest with your customers in the first place." fixed for YOU -- You can call people morons, jackasses, or dumbasses here in these forums, but NEVER call them a troll. You will be warned by a moderator for Blatant flaming. | |
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join:2000-10-09 Southfield, MI | Re: Yep... business as usual Where there is sufficient competition, Comcast. If there is not sufficient competition, those citizens are hosed anyway. | |
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| Re: Yep... business as usual said by TKJunkMail :said by Karl Bode :Yes Tom, it's consumers who demand clarity and accountability that are the problem. Clearly. It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap. Well now they get to pay for what they wanted and got. i disagree. I think the above average users were complaining because some were getting access stopped on their "unlimited" contract. While this is clearly a case of "be careful what you wish for", Comcrap was wrong for selling unlimited contracts to people when they had no plans for a truly "unlimited" access. I also think that this is just an excuse to introduce metered billing. With applications changing and becoming bigger in size, this is the new business model for the telcos/cablecos. Now maybe if we had a politician paying attention to this, maybe regulations can produce what "competition" clearly is not....a decent broadband policy! | |
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| Re: Yep... business as usual said by TKJunkMail :said by S_engineer : then the service providers will just raise prices to cover the costs of all the other regulations. And then the real whining to the politicians will commence. This company will raise the rates anyway. Do you actually think it won't be the customers paying this fine ? If unchecked, these abuses will continue and when caught, The AG might as well just fine the customer. | |
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join:2008-07-10 New Bedford, MA | what is a "a decent broadband policy!" in your eyes just curious since you seem to be a fairly intelligent human being? 25 TB's for 42.95$?? -- "Citius, Altius, Fortius" [Faster, Higher, Stronger] | |
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| Re: Yep... business as usual said by NOZIREV :what is a "a decent broadband policy!" in your eyes just curious since you seem to be a fairly intelligent human being? 25 TB's for 42.95$?? there are ways to push the stagnation we're in. In addition, there are also ways to enforce the contracts the businesses have with their customers. My suggestion is not fines (because the consumer pays that), but go after licenses. It's not the consumers fault that Comcrap doesn't like the contract that they themselves wrote! | |
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| Re: Yep... business as usual OMG!!! stop the press. TK posts a link to copyrighted material!!
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| said by Karl Bode :It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap. A strawman point and completely irrelevant. A significant number of customers, the Florida Attorney General and the FCC have proven Comcast was lying to customers, yet here you are, claiming whatever happens is those customers fault for .... what .... demanding honesty? Your logic consistently both astounds and terrifies. Karl, you don't understand. You are being painted as 'elitist', by being a "well above average" user. It's the only way they can sell their goods, by fear. Fear of the elite. Fear of taxes. Fear of regulations. Fear of equality. Make the other guy scary. That's how decisions are made by some. 'I can't win by being right, I'll win with FEAR' | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Karl Bode :Yes Tom, it's consumers who demand clarity and accountability that are the problem. Clearly. It wasn't the average consumer demanding it. They weren't affected and were not aware of any problem. It was the well above average abusers demanding the clarification and a hard cap. Well now they get to pay for what they wanted and got. Dave Winer was an abuser? How so?
There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone who has been kicked off of the service abused it.
It was the top 1,000 users of bandwidth. This list was from across the system, not just from nodes with trouble reports, or highly-congested segments, or from observed complaints from other systems to the abuse@comcast desk! The only thing that kind of system protects is Comcast's loss from such a consumer -- and that's perfectly fine, but it has to be disclosed.
There was nothing in the TOS that covered kicking off users for being one of the top 1,000 users of bandwidth. Comcast didn't even check if they interfered with or impacted anybody == so they can't use that excuse. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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| Re: Yep... business as usual said by espaeth :said by funchords :Dave Winer was an abuser? How so? He was warned weeks before they cut him off, [...] IMO, this one is a stalemate. I agree that a warning does help, but it doesn't color Dave Winer as an abuser. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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2 edits | said by TKJunkMail :And instead of 1,000/mo of the very worst abusers getting booted, Comcast gets to boot many many more No. You've got it wrong.
Read both the Comcast website and the Florida agreement and then you'll see that it's BOTH, not either/or.
The language in the Florida AG settlement document is2. Comcast may continue to notify any residential high speed Internet service subscriber whose bandwidth usage use exceeds the Threshold (as determined by Comcast in its sole discretion) that the subscriber's service may be, or will be, terminated as the result of excessive use. However, no residential high speed Internet service subscriber shall be notified of a breach of Comcast's excessive use restrictions unless the subscriber's bandwidth usage exceeds the previously disclosed Threshold. The "top users" language from the Comcast page: This is the same system we have in place today. The only difference is that we will now provide a limit by which a customer may be contacted. As part of our pre-existing policy, we will continue to contact the top users of our high-speed Internet service and ask them to curb their usage. If a customer uses more than 250 GB and is one of the top users of our service, he or she may be contacted by Comcast to notify them of excessive use. At that time, we'll tell them exactly how much data per month they had used. We know from experience the vast majority of customers we ask to curb usage do so voluntarily. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :This is not surprising at all and exactly what most people thought was going on. And the "WE THE PEOPLE" crowd are now getting what they demanded - an announced & marketed hard cap. And instead of 1,000/mo of the very worst abusers getting booted, Comcast gets to boot many many more within a couple months of Oct 1(new rules give an extra 30 days beyond 1st month before termination). So say around Dec 1 or thereabouts, we can start reading all the woeful stories about how "I was not an abuser, but just an advanced user backing up my terabytes of disk storage". Moral of story: "Beware of what you wish for - you may get it." The cap is by far better than kicking people without giving an explanation of acceptable usage. Nobody told me when I signed up with Comcast I could not use 6 petabytes a day if I wanted. Therefore they should not even have the right to kick them off in the first place. I hate all these TOS that are vague and give the corporation unlimited rights. "We can boot you because we shoved a dick up our ass and feel like it" should not be allowed period. At least now the consumers actually know about the limits and can choose whether or not to support that company. | |
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| Re: Only 1,000? said by HeavyC :Then after you booth that top 1%, boot the top 1% again. Just rinse and repeat. They'll have a really easy to manage network before too long....there will be no traffic on it. That's what I was thinking...at what point does the cull stop? If you keep skimming 1,000 off the top, eventually you'd think the top value would be lower than it was before. Unless each month a new 1,000 people appear and use just as much as the previous 1,000. -- "I'll follow the law until it's just stupid." -Ted Nugent | |
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  Sith HMP I Did What? Premium join:2004-04-25 Bloomington, IL | Clarity I get it now. If they can afford to just throw away 1000 customers every month with out blinking an eye, I now understand why they could care less about fixing any of my service issues. Thanks a lot Insight for handing me over to these tools. | |
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| Re: Interesting policy actually, they'll leave the ones that pay and use nothing, or check 2-3 emails a month and charge them 45 a month to use it. It is really that simple, the users that pay for a lot but use very little is their target demographics. Its like selling a all you can eat dinner, and hoping that people only fill their plates 1/3 full and never go back for seconds. THOSE are the ones they'll keep. Anyone to sits and eats "all he/she can eat" is the "top abusers" - funny how they label the top "unlimited users" for using "unlimited' as "abusers" isn't it? | |
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| Florida Consumer Laws are Tough Florida has very strict consumer protection laws in place. Many businesses have to keep separate terms and conditions for Florida, and another set that covers all of the other states. What are we at now, at least 20 states? | |
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| Re: Florida Consumer Laws are Tough said by jmn1207 :Florida has very strict consumer protection laws in place. Many businesses have to keep separate terms and conditions for Florida, and another set that covers all of the other states. What are we at now, at least 20 states? True, although they seem to get employed more often when we've got storms like Ike heading this way to avoid price gouging afterwards. | |
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| Hmmm... So, all Comcast has ever really had to do to be seen as "compliant" is to provide some method of feedback to let customers know where they stand with their usage... like a ranking somewhere on your account pages (updated daily), or, now, by providing some kind of meter to let you know how much (they say) you've used.
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| The reason still refuses to share this information is because they know they have a problem. They have oversold their network BEYOND capacity AND are offering way beyond what they simply are having a hard time supporting. This is only the beginning. For those of you that didn't think that former angry subscribers won't see their day in court: CLASS-ACTION anyone?
Hey Comcast, instead of spending all of this money on lawyers, UPGRADE YOUR EQUIPMENT. | |
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| And this is good how? $150,000 dollar fine and who is going to pay? We, the customers.
When will the government realize that these fines to large companies like Comcast only hurt the customer, not them. They pass the buck to us.
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| No matter what isp's do there will always be the few that are not happy even with the clear 250 gig cap. Guess what if you are unhappy with that pay the extra money and go somewhere else and get what you pay for. 250 gig's is fair and reasonable for 42.95$ DEAL WITH IT or go somewhere else.  -- "Citius, Altius, Fortius" [Faster, Higher, Stronger] | |
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1 edit | funny comcast has been misleading since the beginning. I remember shortly after they changed from @Home and implemented the pathetic loss-of-value speed decreases, the upload speed was 128 kbps. Yet they were running ads showing a father and son playing an online game together and video chatting! OK, the game was just a boxing game, but the video was too big and looked too good to be on 128 kbps. lol That ad didn't last too long. | |
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| start with a low throttle and keep upping it! I will say what I've always said: When you get a new isp, throttle your dl speed well below their radar, say for example, 10% of your maximum. Then, each week, add a few KBps to your maximum speed. This will keep you well below their radar. If everyone does this then the greedy bastards will be forced to upgrade their backbone accordingly or get rid of their customers. | |
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| anti-competitive Isn't it obvious what Comcast is really doing? They see the usefulness of high speed connections and how they will allow people to view TV and movies on demand. They don't like this as it cuts into their cable profits. Hence they are capping the service to cripple the usage of IPTV and better promote there crappy old delivery system, ie. cable.
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Voting with my feet.
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