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| we don't need no stinking landlines... said by Dogfather:When you charge $1.50 to keep people out of the telemarketing book, $7.50 for Caller ID and other bogus and overpriced fees, you lose subscribers. >>PRECISELY why we booted our verizon landline out the front door circa 6 years ago. only regret is that we hadn't done it sooner. currently using gsm cell plan w/ vonage line for incidental use. landlines? we don't need no stinking landlines! | |
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| Re: Makes sense said by EPS:This is why Verizon needs to buy out Vodafone- Wireless is the future of voice communications. Sound quality isn't as good, but the convenience more than makes up for it... you have that backwards. Vodafone might buy out VZW's share in Verizon wireless someday but it wouldn't be the other way around. Market cap should be much higher for Vodafone. | |
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VZ's market cap is 91 billion, VOD is at 117 billion. Not too far apart, and if the dollar continues its gradual rebound against the pound a bit longer they'll be nearly equal. | |
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IMO, for as long as I've lived without a landline, I now consider that decision to have been shortsighted and foolish.
[edit]Corrected a typo -- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge Lynch All Liars | |
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 |  DaveDudeNo Fear join:1999-09-01 New Jersey kudos:1 | The landline is still vital, When the storm hit a month ago, cellular was very busy, but i picked up the phone and everything was good. Verizon really isnt trying to keep customers though | |
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 |  RARPSL join:1999-12-08 Suffern, NY | said by yock:I couldn't charge my battery without running my car engine to charge off the cigarette lighter That is what having a spare battery (or two) is for. Just like having a spare for your laptop so you can use it without needing to be tied to a wall socket (such as on a trip/plane). | |
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 |  |  yockTFTCPremium join:2000-11-21 Miamisburg, OH kudos:3 | Re: No More said by RARPSL:said by yock:I couldn't charge my battery without running my car engine to charge off the cigarette lighter That is what having a spare battery (or two) is for. Just like having a spare for your laptop so you can use it without needing to be tied to a wall socket (such as on a trip/plane). Rechargeable cells discharge over time whether you use them or not. It's also an investment of some $50 - $100 per battery, plus the time and effort of charge cycling them regularly to keep them well conditioned. Then I'm still out of power once they die in the course of a week.
My girlfriend had a landline that we used extensively through our storm outtage. It costs her $15 a month and it never went out. It doesn't require any electricity that isn't already provided by the telephone company and their facilities have backup power generation. Did I mention that it never once went out? Never. | |
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But really, it just wouldn't hurt me to go without a phone for a week. My life simply doesn't evolve around it like that. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: No More said by Uncle Paul:$15/month? Doubt it. Not with all the other fees added on. But really, it just wouldn't hurt me to go without a phone for a week. My life simply doesn't evolve around it like that. My ATT landline is $33 a month after taxes. It's not about having your life liesurely revolve around the phone, it's about having a basic maintenence free telecommunication line thats in service 99.99% of the time even without electricity. So for the price of 6 lattes at Starbucks (without tip), why wouldn't I want that type of insurance? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  UnKownThe Underground Network join:2002-09-08 Orlando, FL | Re: No More The savings are essential to me. i purchased the 29.99 unlimited calling with skype for a year in two months of landline. My cell phone is metro pcs which has unlimited calling nationwide, provided you are in the state. that service costs me 49.99. the little 15 dollar a month landline wouldnt do me any good as most of my friends all have cell phones with area codes that are all over the nation. If i really needed that so called life line ill just power up my ham radio!
There are ways around using a landline phone, and my life doesnt revolve around a telephone, so in the event i dont have telephone service for a few days it surely wont kill me, hell it might be relaxing.
I think i speak for about 94% of college students in florida (hurricane central) that cell phone only is way to go.
Might i also add that in the event of a hurricane it is very common for land lines to go out as well, so your theory of that always on safety and security is blown out of the woodwork | |
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| Generally a landline is more reliable, but in my case it was less reliable. ATT just wouldn't maintain the lines well enough. Every few weeks, there would be no dial tone, and I'd have to call ATT and have them fix it.
Of course they threatened big charges if they decided the problem was in the customer's premises. But I checked that carefully first. So they'd come out and fix it, and then after 10-20 days, the same thing would happen again. And so on, over and over.
I was missing so many calls I had to cancel it. Another factor was repeatedly getting stuck in some place where I needed to make a call and there were no landlines.
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| Well, All I can say is I had phone service when the power was out for 5 days here in STL. Which is the truth, I had it and DSL. Short of the power going out, that was about the only thing I missed. I added a generator to my small little network and even had DSL service. Which was more I could say for the 1/2 block I had. True phone service can go out, but what's going to get fixed faster, Cellular, Landline, or DSL?
if it's savings to you, then go for it. That doesn't mean it's savings to everyone. -- If you have a topic in the direct forum please reply to it or a post of mine, I get a notification when you do this. Koetting Ford, Granite City, illinois... YOU'RE FIRED!!
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1 edit | 82.9% Then I must be one of the 82.9% that hasn't switched, Why?
Even though I could and Verizon would stick Me with a $10.00 charge for no landline, It would cost Me more than the landline and during a power outage when a storm rolls through I'd have no phone service at all. | |
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 |  odeonkreelSearching for my lost shaker of saltPremium join:2000-10-31 Cape Coral, FL | Re: 82.9% said by zoom314:during a power outage when a storm rolls through I'd have no phone service at all. Please explain? What do you mean you would have no service? Doesn't your cell phone have a battery? And you can always charge it in your car, if need be. -- ... --- ... | |
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1 edit | Re: 82.9% said by odeonkreel:said by zoom314:during a power outage when a storm rolls through I'd have no phone service at all. Please explain? What do you mean you would have no service? Doesn't your cell phone have a battery? And you can always charge it in your car, if need be. I don't have a cell phone and won't be getting one on $845.00 a month income from SSI, Thanks to a COLA next Year It could be as much as $888.00 a month that I receive.
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 |  jmn1207Premium join:2000-07-19 Reston, VA | Re: On another subject related to landlines... said by Ytsejamer1:I wonder how the presidential campaigns are using their new polling data...if they're not getting people on their cell phones, are those polls accurate? With more peeps moving to cells only, something tells me that mostly older voters are getting polled. Just curious... I'm 48% sure that 81% of those with only cell phone service vote less than 65% of the time. | |
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| Technology penetration For a long time I was an advocate of keeping a good, reliable landline. However, with technology changing, I don't think it's valid to keep it with that idea anymore. You have to keep in mind that even major telcos will be switching to a digital form of phone. For instance, AT&T's Uverse or Verizon Fios. If regulations would be enforced on digital phone services as landlines, we would see an increase in reliability and scalbility of VOIP and digital phone. -- Need a DJ within 60 miles of Youngstown, OH? Check out my service: »www.thebomb102djservice.com | |
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1 edit | Earthquakes.... We had a 5.8 earthquake in the LA area about 2 months ago, and the FIRST thing that happened, was that all cell phone traffic was overloaded, because everyone was attempting to make the "are you OK" calls to their friends and family.
I had the same thing, could not get a hold of my wife. Picked up a LANDline at work, dialed the LANDline at home, and everything worked fine....
If people need to reach 911 in a time of need - such as right after an earthquake where you may have been wounded - cell phones only are useless. If you don't have a landline, your pretty much screwed for at least an hour or two until things calm down.
Now mind you, the earthquake could be bad enough that it also damages the land lines, but most landlines should continue to work anywhere up to a 7.0 quake or so, even IF it shuts down power. (At least, it has proven to do so in the past, most CO's have backup power for anywhere to three to six hours).
Also, if you make an international call - such as to Europe - you really don't want to do that on a cell phone. First off, most providers actually charge you something like $5 extra just to have the international calling feature on your phone, and then they charge you insane rates of up to a dollar a minute to call to Europe, where with a landline and a good LD provider, I get 3 or 4 cents a minute to europe right now, and I call The Netherlands and the UK a lot. -- Obama 2008 - Because McCain is more of the same! | |
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1. I don't know about all carriers, but there's no fee to get international calling added to an AT&T cell. The rates are insane, but there are calling cards that help with that, or you can just use Skype.
2. I don't have a landline, but I have naked DSL, and, in my area, I have 911 service on the line into my house, even though I can't make or receive calls to any other numbers. So, even without a landline, I can still use the landline infrastructure to call for help if I need to. | |
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 |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | said by maartena:If people need to reach 911 in a time of need - such as right after an earthquake where you may have been wounded - cell phones only are useless. If you don't have a landline, your pretty much screwed for at least an hour or two until things calm down. And 9-1-1 is not any better. The public outnumbers operators 20,000 to 1. 9-1-1 is not your lifeline after an earthquake, which is what Emergency Planners have been telling you for years. Prepare to survive for 3 days without any help whatsoever. Learn first-aid. Keep supplied. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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| well drop all the extra fee's cept for 911, and of course your phone service plan of choice, and actually god forbid put more effort into expanding the dsl service along with it and you might have more landline loving going on.. Atm though,not so hot.. 55 a month for something i can take anywhere as opposed to 33 a month for something that only sits at home and allows me the alternative to talking there with it and thats it, just doesn't cutt it.. Give us lower price and more choice dang it!! | |
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| I'll give up my POTS line... When you pry it from my cold dead hands. 
Seriously, I have Comcast so my internet service goes down every time the wind blows over 10 MPH. So VOIP and Comcast digital phone service is too unreliable.
The last time we had a major emergency the cellphone towers were jammed. The local radio stations were begging people to stay off their cellphones because the emergency services needed them.
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| Landlines have there place I'm very much a computer and internet nut, and even have skype in and out. However, I can see where Landlines have their usefulness, and I'm likely to be getting one soon. for one thing, many cell phones, the sound quality just plain sucks when compared to a traditional POTS landline. Secondly, if my internet goes down, obviously my skype services won't work, so having a landline to call and find out what's going on is quite handy. The only thing holding me back from getting a landline, is that AT&T wants to charge over $150 if I read their site correctly, just to activate and wire a jack for use with the new line. The folks I reside with have their own line, but I want my own line billed in my name, but charging that much just to make sure a phone jack will work with the new line? Not exactly something I can afford right now! | |
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 TwegnerPremium join:2000-05-27 Houston, TX | Hurricane IKE: thanks for Land Line! Here in Houston, the electricity is out over most of the city, and the water was suspect for a few days. Thank goodness for the land line, we never lost it. Even used it for dialup internet from a dark house! We had cell phones but didn't dare turn them on because we had no idea when we would be able to recharge them. I don't want to lose the land line anytime soon. | |
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