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Remember when AOL used to charge 25 cents to send an email? What a joke that was.
Everyone here claims "If you don't like the charges, take your business elsewhere, etc, etc." I don't know of any wireless phone companies providing free, unlimited txt messaging. This will only get worse as these companies continually raise SMS prices. | |
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Malvern, AR | Re: But wait... They are not free but....
We have unlimited family text & multimedia messaging with AT&T for $30 per month.
All together we send about 4000-5000 messages per month, most of that by our daughters in high school & college.
That works out to less than a penny per message. Just 200 messages would put me below .20 per message.
Most cell companies have some sort of unlimited messaging plan available for purchase. Anyone sending more than a hundred messages a month or so will come out ahead on one of those plans.
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4 edits | Re: But wait... said by dleehend:They are not free but.... We have unlimited family text & multimedia messaging with AT&T for $30 per month. All together we send about 4000-5000 messages per month, most of that by our daughters in high school & college. That works out to less than a penny per message. Just 200 messages would put me below .20 per message. yeah penny per txt seems good, but you are still getting ripped off. Besides really who is going to send 4000-5000 txts a month? I think that is retarded. You have the phone in your hands, phones are meant for TALKING.
Oh and don't forget if you send a txt to someone your plan you are getting charged TWICE. | |
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Council Bluffs, IA | Re: But wait... yeah penny per txt seems good, but you are still getting ripped off. Besides really who is going to send 4000-5000 txts a month? I think that is retarded. You have the phone in your hands, phones are meant for TALKING.
Oh and don't forget if you send a txt to someone your plan you are getting charged TWICE.
Hey grandpa, the 70's called, they want their rotary phone back. Cell phones are more then just phones now with how tech is advancing. Alot of people don't grasp the concept of texting, but its more convenient and less annoying for a good amount. I'm not a heavy user of it but I do text a fair amount, its just more convenient to type something up, send it off, and resume what I was doing.
WTF are you talking about getting charged twice? He said he had an UNLIMITED PLAN. Unlimited means it doesn't matter how many texts you send. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: But wait... said by Jonbo298:yeah penny per txt seems good, but you are still getting ripped off. Besides really who is going to send 4000-5000 txts a month? I think that is retarded. You have the phone in your hands, phones are meant for TALKING.
Oh and don't forget if you send a txt to someone your plan you are getting charged TWICE.
Hey grandpa, the 70's called, they want their rotary phone back. Cell phones are more then just phones now with how tech is advancing. Alot of people don't grasp the concept of texting, but its more convenient and less annoying for a good amount. I'm not a heavy user of it but I do text a fair amount, its just more convenient to type something up, send it off, and resume what I was doing. Um how is texting more convienent that SPEAKING? I'm 100% sure I can say whatever it is what you are texting faster than you can text it.
WTF are you talking about getting charged twice? He said he had an UNLIMITED PLAN. Unlimited means it doesn't matter how many texts you send. List Einstien, 1¢ worth of data = 670,000 txt messages assuming you use all 160 bytes. Considering most unlimited plans are at minimum $20 a month that's 1.3 BILLION txt messages. Please try and tell me this guy and his family is sending 1.3 BILLION txt messages a month. He says he sends 5000 a month. That should cost at most 1/100 of a cent.
Try doing math. Bandwidth cost less than 10 cents per GB that's GIGAbyte. Txt messages are at most 160 BYTES. So it take at least 6.7 MILLION txt messages to = 1 GB of data. | |
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Telcos have a long history of charging for things that actually cost less. They charged for "touch-tone" when it was actually cheaper to provide than rotary dial, both in the cost of the phones that they rented (yuck!--anybody else remember those days?) and the cost of switching.
It's like my gas station charging a surcharge for using a debit card at the pump instead of paying cash indoors--it actually saves them money, but they can, and do, charge extra for it anyway.
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2 edits | said by BF69:said by dleehend:They are not free but.... We have unlimited family text & multimedia messaging with AT&T for $30 per month. All together we send about 4000-5000 messages per month, most of that by our daughters in high school & college. That works out to less than a penny per message. Just 200 messages would put me below .20 per message. yeah penny per txt seems good, but you are still getting ripped off. Besides really who is going to send 4000-5000 txts a month? I think that is retarded. You have the phone in your hands, phones are meant for TALKING. Oh and don't forget if you send a txt to someone your plan you are getting charged TWICE. So not only are you arguing that text messages cost too much in a day and age when they should not, you are arguing that the user is sending TOO many text messages in todays day and age, and that it is absurd.
I have an unlimited text option on my plan, and I personally send 450 - 500 texts a month.
You've got to realize that the BIG MOFO COSTS that everyone is talking about is PER SMS. It is for people who are NOT on a text plan, which believe it or not if NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE. Most people who WOULD be affected by high SMS costs are already ON plans that negate these costs. If you are sending 50 texts a month without a plan, it ain't your providers fault.
Not to mention, who the hell cares if you get a confirmation? North of of the border here in Canada, such a thing is unheard of. I've never, ever, received a confirmation. Most (if not all) of my messages simply get through. And if they don't, they get que'd, and then sent at a time when the user is capable of receiving it. | |
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Malvern, AR | said by BF69:You have the phone in your hands, phones are meant for TALKING. Actually I have a portable wireless communication device in my hand, but there is no way you could know that. In fact I bought my current device because it could communicate via more than just voice. I can do video, text, or audio and guess what, I subscribe to a wireless plan from my provider that allows me to use any of those methods without worrying if I will have a huge bill at the end of the month.
Of course, that meant I had to THINK before I acted on a plan purchase. Anyone caught by surprise with these huge wireless bills simply did not pay attention to what they were buying. It is not the carrier's fault if someone does not purchase a plan that will fit their needs. The carriers do their best to sell you more than you need. 
As far as cost for bandwidth, I can't send 160 bytes for less than a penny. I don't personally have any cell towers, transmission lines, data switches, etc., so I have to use someone else's equipment to send my data. Guess what, they want to get their investment back & make a profit. Do I like the price? Not really, but since I want to send the data, I have to pay the price.
Oh, and thanks for your opinion, but I think I can decide how many text messages are 'too much' for the situation in my family.
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1 edit | said by DJ_Kismuth:Everyone here claims "If you don't like the charges, take your business elsewhere, etc, etc." I don't know of any wireless phone companies providing free, unlimited txt messaging. This will only get worse as these companies continually raise SMS prices. Then stop texting. Just send an email with the data plan - no extra charges. Or sign up for a text plan that will cut costs tremendously.
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| Re: But wait... said by ThrowDemsOut:said by DJ_Kismuth:Everyone here claims "If you don't like the charges, take your business elsewhere, etc, etc." I don't know of any wireless phone companies providing free, unlimited txt messaging. This will only get worse as these companies continually raise SMS prices. Then stop texting. Just send an email with the data plan - no extra charges. Or sign up for a text plan that will cut costs tremendously. Exactly. I think I pay $5/month extra for the lowest packages of texts which is still an amount I'd never go over. I don't even have to worry about it.
And if I'm worried someone didn't get my text - if it was truly that important I'd just call the damn person. No one calls anyone anymore.
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New Bedford, MA | or if you want to keep texting and you have a data plan with your phone just do the text through your email (10digitphonenumber@vtext.com) that works too.
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Kalispell, MT | Mine is the best I've seen.
No charges, ever, to receive text messages.
$5/month to send 500
$10/month to send unlimited
Some plans - including mine - include unlimited texting.
My plan totals $56/month with taxes + fees for unlimited voice, text, and web. I have a Nokia e62 S60 smartphone. It's NICE.
The company? MTPCS Cellular One (there's more than one Cellular One) - www.cellonenation.com | |
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| | | | Re: But wait... Hey, VZ, if your network didn't suck with that pedophile following everyone around, they wouldn't need a confirmation. LOL
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Utica, MI | Re: But wait... hahaha... I call BS on this one. I've had a lot of texts that didn't get sent to the recipient or didn't come to me. I've also had texts delayed 7 hours. They can claim all they want, but that is just false. | |
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| Not only that, but SMS messages and confirmations are not on the data network, so getting rid of confirmations has nothing to do with saving data bandwidth to improve email and browsing throughput. SMS is on the voice signaling channel. Yet more fud spread by the big V. | |
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Long Beach, NY | said by sharksfan3:How many bits of data are required for a confirmation? Thats what I was thinking. Freeing up their network - its just an excuse. They can actually get away with using 1 bit for a response - simply a yes or a no (0 or 1) so I don't understand how important it is to eliminate and how it will really help their network.
How bought just upgrade your network!
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| | | | Re: ... A 1bit response is not possible. How would it know where to send the 0 or 1 to? You still need a packet header that includes at least the destination of the 0 or 1 response. Which would at least be the phone number, which would have to be represented by 40 bits. Not to mention that you need some bits to tell the receiving phone that it's an SMS message, as well as which SMS message was being confirmed.
If a phone just received a 0 or 1 all by itself, how exactly would it know what it's for? Or even if it was the phone that was supposed to get the message? | |
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Waldwick, NJ | Re: still works for me said by swhitney2003:I am still getting delivery conformations. Anyone else? The information provided so far indicates that the service is being eliminated area by area with all areas to have the service discontinued by the end of the month. So it is possible your area just hasn't had the feature disabled yet.
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| | | said by swhitney2003:I am still getting delivery conformations. Anyone else? My delivery conformations have always been off and on. It works better when I have EVDO enabled and not just 1x. | |
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| | | OTOH in the 4 or 5 years I've had VZW I've never gotten a delivery confirmation. I didn't know I was supposed to. | |
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1 edit | As of 9/21/08, I am still getting delivery confirmations.
Edit - they are in the form of the little "d" on my VZW Blackberry. | |
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Oh wait, this is in preparation for Verizon's premium text messaging service. You get unlimited text messaging for a low price....
But 20 cents per confirmation.
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New Bedford, MA | Delivery Confirmation Still works when i text my wife, we both have blackberry's and we are both on the verizon network dont know if that makes a difference, but when i text a friend that has nextel
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1 edit | Guess I'm just old. You have a fricken phone! Why tap out cryptic messages on a tiny, nearly non-existent "keyboard" when you can dial a few numbers and actually TALK to the person?
And, before the "what ifs" come, if you can't talk to the person because of environmental circumstances (i.e. you're in class, at work, driving a train, etc.), perhaps you shouldn't be 'texting' either. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Guess I'm just old. there are emergency situations FOR THE RECIPIENT when picking up a phone to answer or listen to voicemail is unfeasible, but looking at the screen for 15sec is perfectly fine. | |
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| didn't know, don't care! Didn't know they did confirmations... oh well... seems like they've decided it's largely irrelevant.
Personally, I refuse to pay for a text plan. Huge ripoff. Don't do it enough to justify the added charges. Rather just pay the freaking $.25 at a time. Incoming is already free for me w/ US Cell... I can CALL a person back if I feel like it...
Would rather get a data plan at some point so I could just tether the darn thing as a modem and use some actual internet. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | So WTF?! Is Verizon's network so overloaded that they can barely handle 160bytes worth of sms but i can't handle 320bytes?!
BULLSHIT with sprinkles on top! or if it's real, i won't be using their network.
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Granite Quarry, NC | Call them they don’t know for sure whether or not the text messages that they send are actually being received by the people intended to receive them. Can't you just call and make sure they got your message? You are using a phone afterall. | |
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Londonderry, NH | Re: Call them said by mwf: they don’t know for sure whether or not the text messages that they send are actually being received by the people intended to receive them. Can't you just call and make sure they got your message? You are using a phone afterall. The same reason we're using a cell phone to call people instead of two paper cups with a string.
In December when my 2 year contract is up, I'll probably be switching to AT&T. Not because of just this, but an assortment of other things to go with it. | |
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join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | No Path for Upgrade Text messaging uses the SS7 network plus, the page and sync channels of cellular towers. Page and Sync channels are what keeps your phone on the network when you're not on a call. When someone calls you the P&S channel pages your phone and sets the call up on a channel. There are only so many P&S channels available per tower and as text messages increase you begin to run into hard limits.
One problem with cell phones is that they currently require a text message sent to them to tell the phone to pull down data or start or update a service.
On the flip side. Delivery notification is just that. The system still ensures that the text message is delivered much in the way that email servers continue for several days to hours to attempt delivery of a email address. That is why you do not see the bounce message sometimes for days.
What Verizon eliminated is the return receipt you would get from using vtext.com. I'm not aware of any phone that did delivery receipts via the handset itself. So it's a really small subset of customers and probably more spammers using that feature than anything.
I agree SMS prices are out of whack, and it appears that if the cellco's do not do anything about those prices the government will do it for them. | |
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Middletown, CT | Re: No Path for Upgrade said by NOCMan:What Verizon eliminated is the return receipt you would get from using vtext.com. I'm not aware of any phone that did delivery receipts via the handset itself. I was about to say the same thing. I used to have VZW and now have ATT - I never got confirmation of delivery on my VZW phone nor do I get them with my ATT phone. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | said by NOCMan:What Verizon eliminated is the return receipt you would get from using vtext.com. I'm not aware of any phone that did delivery receipts via the handset itself. So it's a really small subset of customers and probably more spammers using that feature than anything. Every verizon handset that can text gets delivery confirmations in the form of a checkmark next to the envelope in your Sent box. You can click the message and view details to see exactly when it was delivered. Windows Mobile phones get them in the form of another text message saying "Your message to [phone number] was delivered." | |
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kudos:1 | confirmation who cares, no one else does it.
and when i had verizon i never saw one. /shrug | |
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I usually don't get them when sending off-network but I just switched to Verizon a couple of weeks ago. | |
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Phones today are for more than just talking. If I wanted to do just that I would get one of thier freebie phones. But I have a pocketpc overclocked by 200mhz and a modified OS/ROM and 8gb of storage. So spare me the BS about just call them. If I have texts plans it because I dont wanna just call them. | |
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| | here is my situation For me, this is a big deal.
where i currently go to college/live i have just enough service to send a text message. i have around 1 bar, to just enough to say i have service.
typically i would like to know if the person i am trying to send a text to is getting it. might sound like nothing, but since i am never really 100% sure the text got sent, i would like to know.
as for prices. its not that big of a deal...(well literally and figureatively)
seriously. my family plan cost about 100$ a month. it consists of the following:
1600 mins. shared
unlimited texts shared
5 phone lines (inital line is 40 i beleive and 10$ extra per line so thats 80)
and for my line i got the extended data plan which basically lets me go on the internet use the navigation system, receive emails, etc... for 15$
the texting is unlimited with the service package, and i pay a little extra to have it put on all the lines which is where the extra 5$ comes from.
so im getting texting for like 20$ roughly.
and i personally send 10000 text a month. no lie (since i cant call) and my brothers both text as well. so monthly we send combined about 12500 texts or so. thats like .0016 cents a text. (if i did my math right anyways haha)
and that guy who is saying it would take 6.7billion text to send for a penny... thats to send a size per penny. i couldnt care less how many bytes i use. i send one word texts i dont really care. because its only 20$ a month.
if these prices are really that painful to your monthy budget, perhaps you shouldnt have a cell phone? im a full time student (at penn state, so not cheap), and i have 2 jobs, and a 3rd in the summer. i manage my money well enough to pay the 100$ a month, as well insurence on my car (which is paid of so i dont have to worry about that), true i dont have a house, but i have an appartment, so i have to pay bills here too. | |
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Cockeysville, MD | reinstatement They announced that it is not being canceled.
If you got a notice you will be getting another one stating the reinstatement.
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|  ameniteThe Soylent - It's PeoplePremium
join:2002-11-21
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1 edit | Re: reinstatement I noticed the confirmations are back on. Do you have a link to any Verizon announcement? They seem to be very hush hush on these changes.
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