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Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Thanks Verizon With all the other boneheaded moves that Verizon has done in the past, I applaud Verizon's decision to remain cap and filter free. | |
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Mactron
el camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| Re: Thanks Verizon "...and they've chosen their words carefully, making sure they don't rule out the possibility."
Once they are more established in their planed build out, Caps n-stuff will surely come. Their not going to spoil the Fiber hoopla party while their still becoming a player. 
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Thanks Verizon said by Mactron  :"...and they've chosen their words carefully, making sure they don't rule out the possibility."Once they are more established in their planed build out, Caps n-stuff will surely come. Their not going to spoil the Fiber hoopla party while their still becoming a player. More established? Yeah we're talking 10 years minimum. By then I certianly hope capacity issues won't be a problem for any ISP. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Thanks Verizon Unfortunately, I believe capacity issues will always be a problem for ISPs. Not because infrastructure investments aren't being made, but because demanding applications are so much easier and cheaper to produce and deploy than the infrastructure necessary to support them. | |
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join:2006-08-26
Pittsburgh, PA | Capacity issues will always be a problem for Internet over cable. So long as multiple people are sharing the same bandwidth there's always going to be a person or two who takes more than the amount theoretically allotted to them. | |
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| | nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by Mactron :Once they are more established in their planed build out, Caps n-stuff will surely come. Their not going to spoil the Fiber hoopla party while their still becoming a player. translation: when they stop getting their broadband and voice lunch eaten by cable and when they have video up on all their fiber systems, they will be just like the other guys, caps and all. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | For now...... | |
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@comcast.net | I expect...... both VZ & ATT to give Comcast a few PR bodyblows in the coming months over this. And then slip in some caps of their own. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: I expect...... Our caps are 500 GB, unlike Comcast's measly 250 GB cap! (But weren't you uncapped yesterday?) | |
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join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: I expect...... Ehh....
That seems about right, maybe a little higher if anything.
Within 10 years, I'm pretty sure the new base package will be 20mb/5 at least. | |
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jammmin
join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Great marketing opportunity for FIOS Great marketing opportunity for Verizon here.
They need to go on a marketing blitz right now comparing Verizon to Comcast.
Comcast
1. Throttling
2. Monthly Caps
3. Slower speed
4. Congestion on nodes at night because of its shared network
Verizon
1.No throttling
2. No monthly caps
3. Fastest internet
4. Same speed 24/7
FIOS could possibly win over millions of new customers this way. BTW, all my internet problems from the past few years where recently solved when I switched from Comcast to Verizon and I have never been happier. | |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
Premium
join:2003-06-13
NH
clubs:  | Re: Great marketing opportunity for FIOS Only thing is that fios is nowhere near the coverage that Comcast has. So if you do advertise, it would only be in select markets. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Great marketing opportunity for FIOS No different than their current advertising- I noticed that they've started adding a large "FiOS AVAILABLE IN SELECT AREAS ONLY" to the bottom of their ads, rather than the much smaller print that was there before. | |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| said by jammmin :FIOS could possibly win over millions of new customers this way. BTW, all my internet problems from the past few years where recently solved when I switched from Comcast to Verizon and I have never been happier. Doubtful. The amount of people that are actually impacted/care and overlay that with actual FiOS coverage and you have less than actual number that have switched today. | |
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| | EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Great marketing opportunity for FIOS That would be the point of advertising- convince people who aren't even using 5GB/month that Comcast's caps are going to hurt their internet usage. It doesn't need to be absolutely 100% factual.
But Verizon won't take advantage of this for their advertising, because as the article says they seem to like to leave every option open. | |
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| none of the items you talk about are important to those "millions" of customers. High performance techno geeks care about things like throttling, monthly caps, speeds, etc. The ONE exception are the slowdowns.
This is a topic that more people around here, with blinders on, need to get over. The average consumer, right now, could care less about what most people here pop blood vessels over daily on this site. | |
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Raven313
join:2001-12-17
Crofton, MD |  Anyone Reject FIOS?
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| majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | I have fios available but choose to stay with cablevision. Long island area wide wifi is a huge advantage for me and worth it over a 5mbps iincrease in speed. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| I had problems with Verizon and their customer support and refuse to deal with them as much as possible. I still need a no frills POTS line, but I never use it for anything and I don't even use that phone number. It's necessary for my security system and to call for help if an emergency arises.
I live on the south side of a valley that slopes up and completely blocks any possible chance for me to receive satellite TV service without using a very tall tower. I have Comcast cable and I like their OnDemand service as I basically watch sports and time-shifted programs. Because I get TV service, I only pay $53 for 16/2 Blast! HSI service with effective 24/3 speeds with the boost. This has proven to be more than adequate for me.
The cost of switching to a Verizon FiOS package at a comparable speed was not significantly cheaper at all, and it would come with the hassle of dealing with Verizon once again, which I loathe to do. Besides, many of my neighbors have made the switch, which has only helped to relieve any congestion that we might have experienced before.
It's nice to have a choice, but unless something changes, I don't see myself making the switch.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
clubs:
| Common Sense 101 Unless and until VZ makes FIOS available in large metropolitan markets on the west coast, they are very far from becoming a significant "player" in the BB market. Right now they're nothing but an east coast one trick pony, so of course mgt is going to pretend the company would not embrace caps. | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
clubs:
| Re: Common Sense 101 said by v35_pilot :Actually a two trick pony (TV and Internet), and two pretty good tricks at that. Eh, fair enough. I stand corrected. | |
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE | Re: Common Sense 101 How is it not really VoIP? | |
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| mach
join:2001-11-24
Flushing, NY
| Verizon is not going to cap cause verizon doesn't pay for bandwidth. They are a tier-1 backbone provider which means they connects to the entire Internet solely via Settlement Free Interconnection, also known as settlement free peering. While Cable companies have to pay for the bandwidth they offer to its customers from companies like Level3, Cogent, ATT, etc.
And actually the more bandwidth verizon fios customers use, the more money Verizon is going to make by charging providers (like web hosting companies, cable companies, other small ISPs, etc,) that purchase bandwidth from Verizon.
So you will most likely never see caps/throttling on Verizon FIOS. | |
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| | EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Common Sense 101 at&t is also a tier 1 backbone provider, and they have talked about caps. Sprint Nextel Corp. is also a tier 1 provider (alright, wireless is different and has many challenges of its own) Time Warner, Inc. owns a tier 1 provider... (well, ATDN's status is now confused because they haven't said much in awhile, but it was tier 1 at one point anyway) | |
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join:2001-11-24
Flushing, NY
| Re: Common Sense 101 Time Warner's Road Runner doesn't utilize ATDN or Time Warner Telecom (which is not a tier1 since it pays for peering with Sprint.) My guess is that they do that so its easy to sell each company if ever needed... Other than that I can't think of any other reason why Road Runner doesn't exclusively utilize ATDN and Time Warner Telecom. Road Runner could definitely offer no caps service if they did. But instead Road Runner pays for bandwidth from various providers.
About Sprint, well they offer different type service like you mentioned. Sprint has caps on their cellular broadband, which most likely has some sort of technical limitations at the cell towers of how much bandwidth they can carry. If Sprint was to roll out FIOS like service, I'm 99% sure it would have no caps either.
And AT&T is just a greedy dumb company so :P Or really smart, depends how you look at it really :P
The bottom line is that its easy for tier1 to offer no cap service. It could possibly even make them more money, the more their users use. And it becomes costlier and costlier for non tier1 ISPs to offer unlimited bandwidth as users use more and more, since they pay for it.
Anyway, that's just how I see all of this, I could be wrong. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Common Sense 101 Oh, I agree with you that it's easier for them to offer no-cap service because of their bandwidth situation relative to cableco competitors.
at&t is a greedy company, yes. But all companies are greedy... the question for Verizon is whether possible benefits of caps outweigh the costs... yes, heavy users are a minority, but they're also the minority most likely to pay for Verizon's most expensive 50/20 speed tiers, so attracting them for now is probably good for VZ's bottom line. | |
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| MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| said by major marco :Unless and until VZ makes FIOS available in large metropolitan markets on the west coast, they are very far from becoming a significant "player" in the BB market. Right now they're nothing but an east coast one trick pony, so of course mgt is going to pretend the company would not embrace caps. The population of the Megalopolis where they have a presence is the most densely populated area of the country.
They are not "pretending" to not embrace caps, since they don't have them, that's all that matters. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA | Tough Stance? And I will not use my car's air conditioner to save fuel. Although I reserve the right to change my mind when the temperatures go up again next summer. | |
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ja2007123
join:2007-10-06
·AT&T Southeast
 ·Dish Network
| For the moment in the next years, Verizon will be the big dog and stuff, their networks will be saturated by bootlegged Blu Ray movies and the next thing you know, CAPs and Throttling.
Back in 2000 AD a cap on Cable was unimaginable but look it now. Hopefully something else will pop out. *hint* *1gb connection* | |
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| ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| Re: For the moment Verizon will always be capable of faster and better speeds. If the current ONT's cant handle lets say... Gigabits a second... guess what, a simple dispatch to slap on a new ONT with matching CO equipment.. and viola ! Zoom Zoom Zoom.
This is what so many people cant understand. For the first time in history, a phone company has done something right and has future-proofed itself. All these companies milking copper will be kicking themselves one day. | |
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| | Codacious
join:2001-12-07
Dade City, FL
| Re: For the moment said by ITALIAN926 : For the first time in history, a phone company has done something right and has future-proofed itself. All these companies milking copper will be kicking themselves one day. I have to (mostly) disagree with your last sentence. Cable still has some kick left with a few tricks up it's sleeve that will allow it to hold off on a fiber rebuild for many more years. Of course Vz still will not have made it's money back on the fiber rollout by the time the bean counters at the cable companies decide the time is right for them. The reason I say "mostly" is that they could get the timing wrong and wait a little to late before their rollout and not be able to keep enough existing customers happy and go belly-up.
It's kind of odd to watch the tables turn. Vz got fat off the millions it made off the old copper infrastructure until voip made such a big dent in its wallet that Vz was forced to make a change. Of course the fiber rollout would have never of happened if they hadn't been banking the money all them years.
Now the Cable companies are trying to bank some money for the big rollout they will be doing in the many years to come. Of course the fiber equipment will be much cheaper and better by that time.
Vz was hoping with the better service it could kill the competition and then make their own price structure, but the fight is greater then they thought. Kind of like Blu-Ray is the better product, but only a small percentage of us actually have it. More then likely, that small percentage are the people on this forum | |
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yolarry
join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV | Hopefully Stay that way So I can get dsl 
This is why I love verizon services | |
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Vesentac
join:2002-05-10
Chantilly, VA
| Verizon probably already caps I have three other power users living with me.
By the end of the third week of last month, we saw capped download speeds at 30KB. At midnight of September 1st, speeds were restored back to the norm of ~500KB. Monthly reset? Possibly.
We had called in when we saw the "cap" and the techs said they saw no problem. They even opted to dispatch a tech out to the premises to take a look. They found no problem and hooked up a Verizon router which we quickly replaced with our old router.
Since my roommates do so much with the internet from streaming, downloading porn, one guys does anime, and etc. I can only think wonder how much bandwidth we had eaten that month to enable that cap. | |
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| njchoochoo
Premium
join:2007-06-21
Atco, NJ
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