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LTE Shows Its 100Mbps Chops
Next-gen wireless shaping up to be potent...
by Karl Bode Monday 27-Oct-2008 tags: business · wireless · alternatives
Initially, there were three front-runners for the fourth-generation wireless broadband crown: 3GPP LTE (Long Term Evolution), mobile WiMax and 3GPP2 UMB (Ultra Mobile Broadband). All three standards offer low latency and theoretical max speeds that should crush existing services, though mobile WiMax and LTE have the most support.

Sprint, of course, is hitching their wagon to Mobile WiMax. Much of Mobile WiMax's success hinges on Sprint's Xohm launch, expected within weeks. Meanwhile, both AT&T and Verizon have stated they'll be migrating to LTE. Given the size and wealth of those two carriers, their decision effectively means LTE is, barring catastrophe, going to dominate the next-gen wireless broadband field in the United States.

Recent tests conducted in Germany by T-Mobile and Nortel Networks achieved downstream LTE data rates of 170Mbps and upstream speeds of 50Mbps in a car moving 67kph (41mph). Granted this was a controlled experiment in close range to three towers, but it does highlight LTE's promise. Ericsson has now also achieved data rates in excess of 100Mbps. Ericsson says they used real (read non-lab) antennas and real distance from them to test the technology in a moving car:

Using four transmit streams (the maximum number supported in the LTE standard), four receive antennas and bandwidth of 10 MHz, the measured peak rates exceeded 130M bps. This translates into approximately 260M bps, given the maximum bandwidth of 20 MHz, according to an article in Ericsson Review. "Not everyone will be able to get 100M bps. You need pretty good conditions for it to work, and you need to be relatively close to the base stations, a couple of hundred meters," said Tilly.

Now all you'll have to do is wait. AT&T and Verizon both started tinkering with the technology this year, but serious deployment isn't expected until 2010 or later. AT&T's in no particular rush: they say they already have 7.2Mbps working in their labs, has said they want to transition to HSPA release 7 sometime in 2009, offering 20Mbps in the process. Of course, Cox this morning also threw their support into the LTE ring by announcing they're building their own wireless broadband network.

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baineschile
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Safety?

Talking on the phone while driving is bad enough, do we really need to encourage surfing while driving?

Maybe ATT and VZ should start investing in an AIcar, where one can just punch in a direction, and the call will drive there (see Will Smith in I, Robot)

Dont get me wrong, the idea of mobile data that fast is a good start, but maybe there should be testing it where people SHOULD be using it (couch at home, table at coffee shop), not what kind of speed they can achieve while driving.

exception: taxis
EPS

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Hingham, MA

Re: Safety?

What if you're not the one driving? Another thought would be public transportation systems, that's one of the places mobile broadband can be most useful if it exists.

baineschile
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Re: Safety?

Thus the exceptions: taxis at the end
axus

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There might be applications we haven't thought of yet. Maybe some combination of GPS and advertising.
Ahrenl

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How about integrated driving features. Alerting you to lane closures in upcoming miles from accidents/construction. Congestion and alternative route suggestions. Video amber alerts, not to mention the ability of public services to communicate more effectively.
Integrated content access to your libraries at home. (think music, and DVD's for the kids in the back seat) Not to mention social network extensions, where you could share with your friends where you are at any given time.

BF69
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what's the point?

Faster speeds mean nothing when you have 5 GB monthly caps. Since the TOS of mobile providers prevent downloading of video and using the connection for online gaming what is the point of 100 Mbps? You don't need 100 Mbps to look at your e-mail which is all you can basically do on a mobile interent connection.

IIIBradIII
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Re: what's the point?

Ah but once the majority of their customers have the capability to do stuff that quickly, they will gladly upgrade you to a higher bandwidth tier.

Killa200
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Re: what's the point?

and also upgrade you to a nice, higher price with that oh so lovely "profit cushion"... lol
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Re: what's the point?

But if you're working with sub-kilometer distances from towers, this isn't going to be home broadband replacement. Heck, AT&T could put VRADs near the towers and have VDSL speeds similar to what they're getting over LTE.

Then again, they'll proably not put enough bandwidth to the tower and thus the oh-so-fast LTE won't be able to live up to its full potential. I mean, technically their current HSPA service should be able to pump out 3.6/1.8 speeds. I've only seen about 1.5/500-700 when I've used it (not anymore...5 GB caps and no prepaid option).

IIIBradIII
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Re: what's the point?

said by iansltx:

But if you're working with sub-kilometer distances from towers, this isn't going to be home broadband replacement. Heck, AT&T could put VRADs near the towers and have VDSL speeds similar to what they're getting over LTE.

Then again, they'll proably not put enough bandwidth to the tower and thus the oh-so-fast LTE won't be able to live up to its full potential. I mean, technically their current HSPA service should be able to pump out 3.6/1.8 speeds. I've only seen about 1.5/500-700 when I've used it (not anymore...5 GB caps and no prepaid option).
Yep, they have to feed the towers enough bw to be sure. And of course who do they get that from? Most likely AT&T. It all comes back to ma bell sooner or later.
iansltx

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Re: what's the point?

Interesting how the companies with the LTE plans are Bells (AT&T, VZ)...then Cox comes in with LTE. Rather odd, considering the rest of the cable industry is rooting for WiMAX w\Sprint & CLWR.
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said by BF69:

Faster speeds mean nothing when you have 5 GB monthly caps. Since the TOS of mobile providers prevent downloading of video and using the connection for online gaming what is the point of 100 Mbps? You don't need 100 Mbps to look at your e-mail which is all you can basically do on a mobile interent connection.
Do you have any clue what your talking about?

I use my Verizon Wireless account to game and stream video everyday. They have updated there terms and its no longer prohibited. Quit talking about old policy's.

BTW those are soft caps. I go over every month since this is my primary connection. I have yet to be throttled down. I try and keep it around 6-7GB range.

Some time I'm going to see how high I can go before I get throttled. Granted I'm in a very rural area so I don't think I have to worry as much.

tc1uscg

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The lab is busy

Nice see the LAB is still busy testing LTE. Alarming that it's news..
xenophon

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Re: The lab is busy

Nextgen WiMAX 802.11m will be out by the time LTE makes it out the door. 802.11m is able to do 300Mbps mobile and 1Gbps fixed. Of course individual users will probably not ever really see this.

The challenge for all 4G carriers will be providing enough bandwidth to every site and having enough spectrum. ATT/Verizon only have about 25Mhz or so per market in the 700mhz space. Sprint/Clearwire will have over 100Mhz per market of 4G spectrum.

Talking theoretical MAX makes for good marketing though.

wifi4milez
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Re: The lab is busy

said by xenophon:

Nextgen WiMAX 802.11m will be out by the time LTE makes it out the door. 802.11m is able to do 300Mbps mobile and 1Gbps fixed. Of course individual users will probably not ever really see this.

The challenge for all 4G carriers will be providing enough bandwidth to every site and having enough spectrum. ATT/Verizon only have about 25Mhz or so per market in the 700mhz space. Sprint/Clearwire will have over 100Mhz per market of 4G spectrum.

Talking theoretical MAX makes for good marketing though.
Not to mention that Sprint/Clearwire will have had roughly two years head start on both Verizon and ATT. Xohm will be fully rolled out in many markets long before the first LTE test markets come on line. Sprint/Clearwire might even be rolling out "version 2" of Xohm by the time the LTE crowd gets to the dance floor. Two years is a good amount of time to pick up a few hundred thousand (or well more than that) subscribers, Verizon/ATT should be very careful here!
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Ahrenl

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Re: The lab is busy

If they're still in business in two years.

ninjatutle
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Re: The lab is busy

MetroFi lasted 2-3 years. It was free and nobody wanted it. I see Xohm going the same route but maybe lasting 1 year.

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The problem with WiMAX is the coverage. They wont have the same coverage as these cell sites. Not good for a mobile user.
xenophon

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Re: The lab is busy

said by ninjatutle:

The problem with WiMAX is the coverage. They wont have the same coverage as these cell sites. Not good for a mobile user.
Combo EVDO/WiMAX cards will be coming by the end of the year. It would be an issue for WiMAX/WiFi only devices for a few years though.

phoneboy3

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You read my mind. LOL!

This is just more Telco propaganda designed to cool enthusiasm for Mobile WiMax. A standard that is every bit as good and fast as LTE and at least 3-5 years ahead of it.

Even the Telco's are admiting it won't be available until at least 2010. Looking at history that would mean in reality we are looking at 2012-2015. It will be game over by them IMHO. WiMax already won. The loser just doesn't know it yet.
xenophon

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Re: The lab is busy

There will be winner or loser, they'll both co-exist. This isn't like Bluray/HDDVD fight. It's more like cable vs. dsl, satellite tv vs cable tv. There was no 'winner' in the latter two as the playing field is defined by what resources are available to the provider.

WiMAX will be pushed by IEEE and the consumer electronics industry. LTE will be pushed by the telcom industry. Both will exist long term.

wifi4milez
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Re: The lab is busy

said by xenophon:

There will be winner or loser, they'll both co-exist. This isn't like Bluray/HDDVD fight. It's more like cable vs. dsl, satellite tv vs cable tv. There was no 'winner' in the latter two as the playing field is defined by what resources are available to the provider.

WiMAX will be pushed by IEEE and the consumer electronics industry. LTE will be pushed by the telcom industry. Both will exist long term.
I agree. It will be like CDMA/GSM is here in the states.
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phoneboy3

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Re: The lab is busy

You mean the CDMA that is pretty much being non-existant outside the US/Canada and is about to be overlayed on the North American CDMA providers networks with the follow on to GSM (HSPA).

So yea it may co-exist for awhile and then LTE will just fade away. I maintain that since Wi-MAX is soooooooo far ahead in this case LTE will never get off the ground. In 3-5 years the ecomomies of scale will take over and Wi-MAX will be much cheaper to deploy compared to LTE it just won't make ecomomic sense to deploy a completely separate technology. They will probably, at the very least, try make LTE more like Wi-MAX so the equipment is more compatible.

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said by phoneboy3 :

You read my mind. LOL!

This is just more Telco propaganda designed to cool enthusiasm for Mobile WiMax. A standard that is every bit as good and fast as LTE and at least 3-5 years ahead of it.

Even the Telco's are admiting it won't be available until at least 2010. Looking at history that would mean in reality we are looking at 2012-2015. It will be game over by them IMHO. WiMax already won. The loser just doesn't know it yet.
Yep.. your are right on target. People talk about the DEEP pockets of VZW and AT&T but they don't seem to realize that if they were SERIOUS about all this, they would put the money behind it and RUSH it out just to stunt WiMAX's growth. But while it's still in the LAB and YEARS away from REAL-LIFE use, guess they just don't want to reach down and dig deep..

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Real world application

Show me some real world application results and not some test lab results and I'll take it more seriously.

Rob 23

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Re: Real world application

I don't know how to link a youtube video but if you go to youtube and in the search box put ( lte drive demo )or even (cdma rev b demo)both have higher download speed than the youtube ( wimax demo).

Rob 23

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Re: Real world application

OOPS IT'S ( evdo rev b demo ) not cdma rev b.

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