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| Re: CAP Will be interesting to see what cap they put on the service. Is it REALLY 180GB? That isn't much more than 10/1.5
Then again, 8/2 is the fastest residential cable I can get here. But that's because there's no UVerse...
On the other hand, looks like Comcast now has to deploy DOCSIS 3 not only in FiOS markets, but also in UVerse markets, if they want to still be able to pull the speed card as a reason to stick with (or switch to) cable internet. | |
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| Re: And what will the bandwidth cap on that be, AT&T? Yes good point. Added a little something about that.
It will be interesting to see if houses who watch a lot of TV get upset when they find the 18Mbps they ordered is really only 18mbps when the kids are asleep and the hubby isn't watching HD sports... | |
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| Re: And what will the bandwidth cap on that be, AT&T? said by djrobx: quote: It will be interesting to see if houses who watch a lot of TV get upset when they find the 18Mbps they ordered is really only 18mbps when the kids are asleep and the hubby isn't watching HD sports...
No doubt. Of course, this is purely speculation on my part. AT&T just seems very reluctant to grow the 25mbps profile. At an investor conference a while back AT&T was talking about expecting to 4HD to fit in the current 25mbps profile. As it is now, 10mbps "max" internet does not share with TV, so I'm also thinking that new verbage came to fruition for a reason. I do think AT&T could stand to increase the bandwidth profile for most people. I'm 2600' out with a max sync of 49mbps. I'm pretty close to the 3000' cutoff. We'll see. 4HD streams with 25mbs bandwidth? Even with MPEG4, that doesn't sound very good. | |
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| Re: And what will the bandwidth cap on that be, AT&T? said by gdm:You can't do 4HD streams right now it's 2HD/2SD or 4SD if you are on the 25meg profile. That is even worse. What do families with multiple TVs do when several people want to watch different programs in HD, or even SD? | |
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| said by Karl Bode:Yes good point. Added a little something about that. It will be interesting to see if houses who watch a lot of TV get upset when they find the 18Mbps they ordered is really only 18mbps when the kids are asleep and the hubby isn't watching HD sports... My math says 1 HD or 2 SD streams would almost fit within the 7 mbps left over (25 minus 18)... so you might get 16 or 17 rather than 18 if "hubby is watching HD sports" (why not "wife watching HD sports"? ) this is assuming no voice of course, a phone call would knock a bit off this.
I'm planning to upgrade as soon as it's available (my employer pays for it anyway), so I'll keep y'all posted on what happens. I'm currently Internet only (no TV), synch at 56 megabits, profile says 25 down. So I obviously have plenty of room to go to 18, and they don't HAVE to re-provision me... although they might. I'll let you know what happens! | |
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| said by XBL2009:Since they are fed from fiber to the node they shouldn't have much problem with capacity. The caps have nothing to do with the network in your town. (In any case everybody's network is fiber somewhere. AT&T has pushed the fiber to your neighborhood (but usually not your house)).
They have everything to do with national backbone capacity. Or maybe greed (if you read some of the other posters here ) | |
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| Re: There better be NO cap on U-verse tiers said by iansltx:National backbone capacity my butt. As far as I can tell the big national backbones (ATT being one of them) have no problem at all with capacity over those links... Define "no problem". AT&T's investing a huge amount of money in their backbone to keep up with demand. Here's a quote from AT&T: quote: In calendar year 2007, we spent more than $17.5 Billion on capital expenditures for our network and services. This summer we turned up our OC 768 Internet backbone to replace the backbone facilities that were part of the SBC/AT&T transaction less than three years ago. And before that OC 768 backbone celebrates its third birthday, we expect backbone bandwidth demands to increase by 400%.
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| Re: There better be NO cap on U-verse tiers They weren't at-capacity to start with, and on the OC 768's third birthday they'll be back up to that same capacity they are right now.
Also, when you spread that 17.5B over all their wireless, wireline and business customers (all of them paying) you find the upgrade cot per customer to be comparable to maybe Qwest's ADSL2+ rolout. In short, sure they had to upgrade their netowrk, but the backbone upgrade was less than the cost of deploying UVerse, by a large factor. | |
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| Re: There better be NO cap on U-verse tiers said by iansltx:They weren't at-capacity to start with, and on the OC 768's third birthday they'll be back up to that same capacity they are right now. Of course they were not "at capacity". It wouldn't be very smart of them to let their backbone get to the point where no more workload can be supported.
So what's your point? That they should wait until they are out of capacity before they implement caps on some emergency basis? That would not be a smart way to run the business.
Also, when you spread that 17.5B over all their wireless, wireline and business customers (all of them paying) you find the upgrade cot per customer to be comparable to maybe Qwest's ADSL2+ rolout. In short, sure they had to upgrade their network, but the backbone upgrade was less than the cost of deploying UVerse, by a large factor. Backbone upgrades vs. customer-premise deployments are two different things. I can't imagine what your point is comparing these two costs. What difference does it make what their "cost per customer" is for a backbone upgrade?
Are you trying to say that $17 billion isn't so much money and AT&T should just throw that into the pot for free? That is ridiculous. It's a business. They need return on investment. | |
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| Re: There better be NO cap on U-verse tiers If they have more capacity on the backbone, they have more capacity on the backbone. At which point they can offer faster tiers for more money. Since the OC768 upgrade means there's no bandwidth crunch anywhere on the system they don't have to lower limits by capping subscribers.
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| Re: Do I need to do anything to get this tier? said by rupa:So does this mean that if I'm already at 10/1.5 I don't have to do anything to get the 18/1.5 or do I have to call att and beg for the new tier? not sure I understand the question... but of course you have to call or click and order the upgraded service... it's not a free upgrade
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| Re: Do I need to do anything to get this tier? said by rupa:Ah, my bad. I read the price ($65) and saw it was the same I'm paying for 10/1.5. I get to pay an extra $10 'cause I don't have TV service - just internet. Really? I have Max and nothing else (no TV or voice) and I pay only $55. If I were you I'd call them and get it reduced.
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Even though I ordered both and canceled tv, they must've moved me to the tv only "plan" which is $65. | |
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| Re: Do I need to do anything to get this tier? said by John McClane:i have max and u100. i'm more than willing to trade the u100 for the 18/1.5 (kinda wish they would give a bit more upload) By "trade" you mean "cancel the TV service" ? Or are you talking about trading off bandwidth?
If you really mean cancel the TV, sure, you can do that, just call or click and it's done. You could upgrade to Max 18 at the same time if you wait until Nov. 9th. | |
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1 edit | U-Verse Still, AT&T probably figures that their current speeds are more than adequate for the majority of customers for several years. The company is working on 30-40% faster speeds at greater loop lengths with bonded VDSL, but it's looking like that won't be available until late 2009. Keep your eyes peeled on our U-Verse forum for user experiences (specifically TV crowding and distance) with the new faster tier when it becomes available next week.
Why do they keep trying to cling onto a dying technology? In late 2009 FiOS customers will probably be on a 50mbps/50mbps (if not 100/100) tier for $60/month. I'm assuming by then the Comcast 50mbps tier will drop to a similar price. Meanwhile U-Verse is only going to be able to offer something like 20-25mb/3mbps (at most) and this is for customers that are close enough to their CO. This is all with a lousy usage cap. It's a good thing U-Verse isn't competing directly with FiOS or I guarantee they would already be deploying FTTH to keep up, because right now there is no comparison.
They need to bite the bullet and stop trying to prolong the inevitable, which is FTTH deployment.
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At&t calls this shit next-gen broadband? O god..I fell out of my chair laughing. I hope Verizon buys out at&t.
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This would be like comcast taking their 6/1 tier..raising the price of it to 62.95 and promoting it as 18Mb simply because someone could maybe reach those speeds with powerboost.
Comcast SELLS it as 6/1..and the powerboost is an add on..free feature.
How much more desperate will you get AT&T?
There is nothing wrong with offering it as a powerboost type service to give customers the added speed if it's available. But to price it as a higher tier when you simply cannot guarantee that it will be available if the other services are in use is a scam. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Caps? Well you'd think so from reading these "doom is upon us", "AT&T sucks", "I'm cancelling my AT&T service today" posts.
But, no. AT&T has announced a trial, starting next month IIRC, in Reno, Nevada. If it does roll out nationally, it'll be months down the road, and the terms may change. | |
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| Re: Caps? said by MyDogHsFleas:Well you'd think so from reading these "doom is upon us", "AT&T sucks", "I'm cancelling my AT&T service today" posts. But, no. AT&T has announced a trial, starting next month IIRC, in Reno, Nevada. If it does roll out nationally, it'll be months down the road, and the terms may change. And it still has a good chance (from what I hear) that it still might fall flat on it's face. -- If you have a topic in the direct forum please reply to it or a post of mine, I get a notification when you do this. Koetting Ford, Granite City, illinois... YOU'RE FIRED!!
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I haven't been able to try AT&T's U-Verse yet but I have cable and they just bumped up there speed here to 15mbps down 2 mbps up and I can get that speed. Who knows about the 18max thing. I had DSL with AT&T before it was always quite a bit less speed than I was quoted. | |
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