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A Christmas Time Fleecing
Cable customers deal with continued rate hikes
(old news - 10:46AM Tuesday Dec 10 2002)
tags: prices · cable
Most major cable companies have announced rate hikes over the past several months, and with ninety-five percent of Americans having access to only one cable provider, there's very little consumers can do about it. Unless migrating to a Thoreau/Walden lifestyle or signing up for satellite service appeals to them, cable customers are forced to endure continual, and many feel unwarranted, price hikes.

During the past six years cable rates have risen more than 45 percent, three times the rate of inflation. No other technology industry has seen such rampant price hikes; in fact many other industries are seeing significant price reductions, despite also having to deal with network expansion costs. In that same six year time period, wireless phone service costs have dropped 32 percent; long-distance telephone costs have fallen 25 percent.

Yet cable rates continue to climb skyward.

Time Warner Cable has announced plans to increase rates 7% for customers in Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill and Charlotte, N.C. The company is expected to raise cable rates nationwide by an average of 6% next year, possibly more in their New York markets. Some Time Warner markets have seen a significant increase in Satellite sales in response to the hikes.

Cablevision is looking at rate hikes throughout their New York markets as high as 5.26% next year. Because of a distribution dispute over the YES sports network, the state Attorney General's Office has launched an investigation to determine whether Cablevision Systems Corp. violated antitrust laws. Dish Network has of course taken the opportunity to launch an advertising campaign targeting disgruntled Cablevision customers.

AT&T Comcast has announced rate hikes in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Oregon, Indiana, and many other markets. The company recently announced six to thirty percent (depending on your package) hikes in the San Francisco Bay area as well. These customers are also considering satellite services (also see companion article). Particularly hard hit in San Francisco are customers who rent their cable modem. They now face a $14 hike, bringing their monthly total for high speed service to $60 per month.

Lafayette, Louisiana received a very special gift this year, being the only Cox cable market to witness three rate hikes this year alone. Other areas were lucky and only witnessed two. According to Dan Novak, Cox's vice president of programming and public affairs in San Diego, sports programming cost increases and network improvements are to blame, though it was a lack of network improvements that brought the company bad press several times this year.

According to a recent report by the Consumer's Union, the cable industry are modern-day Scrooges, continually pushing rate hikes on customers, particularly late in the year. "We think this is largely because cable companies have no real competition in their communities" says Consumers Union rep, David Butler. In fact, in communities that do have more than one cable provider (5% nationwide), prices are on average seventeen percent lower.

The cable industry, of course disagrees with the Consumer's Union's findings, or any such notion that geographical monopolies are the primary catalyst for continued hikes. The argument continues to be that content is the major culprit. Bev Greenberg, vice president of public affairs for Time Warner, blames the hikes on show business. "You are dealing with the sports world and the entertainment world," Greenberg said. "We all know about the costs of entertainers and athletes today."

The National Cable and Telecommunications Association shot down the Consumer's Union report, claiming it "overlooks a number of facts, including the constant escalation in costs of content; the recruitment, training and retention of qualified personnel; improvements in customer care and service; as well as the industry's ongoing investment in upgrading its plan."

According to the Consumer's Union, the costs incurred by content price increases and network improvements have been more than covered by the increase in advertising, pay-per-view services and cable modem services. At the end of a long day of finger pointing, consumers are still left pondering who's really to blame for their lighter wallets this holiday season; some beginning to wonder if they shouldn't just start reading more.

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ayal5

join:2001-04-05
Brooklyn, NY

Thank You Cable Companies!

I just wanted to thank cable companies for raising rates! I've seen quite a boost in business since Cablevision announced their rate hikes last week. And for those who couldn't guess I sell Sat. TV.
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

Re: Thank You Cable Companies!

i hope your warehouse is packed with dishes, cause i see some good gift givin ideas coming for those without trees blocking their south shot. *gets chainsaw to fix his sat blocking tree problem*
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bibinkona

join:2002-12-10

Satellite companies, at least the ones that I have been trying to deal with the past 3 weeks makes my local monopoly cable company almost look good. I have 3 TV's and 2 Tivos. All I want to know is how I hook up the Tivos to the satellite dish that I want to buy. Yes, I have to buy 2 "satellite" Tivos. But from who and who puts them in? In calling the satellite companies no one has a clue about Tivo's. The icing on the cake was today. I called a place in Massachusetts and before I could even find out any answers, I had to give the person my name, address and social security number. Why do I have to give someone a social security number when all I want is to find out what to buy? The satellite people are right up there, in my estimation, with the customer service level of my local "friendly" cable company. At this point calling my 80 year old father in Florida and asking him if he still has the rabbit ears from the 50's is making more and more sense. Understand I have no problem buying whatever it is I need but no satellite company that I have called will tell me what I need to buy and who will put it in.

Toymaster
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Re: Thank You Cable Companies!

You should not have given your SS#...if you call an company you should not have to give your number for no reason, especially over the phone.
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TechLarry

join:2002-02-02
Fairfax, VA

No, you do not have to buy new Tivo's. Your external Tivo, and it sounds like what you have, should still work fine.

However, there is a MAJOR advantage to having the combination Tivo/DirecTV box (or UTV/DirecTV box) that you may not be aware of.

When your external Tivo records the material, it has to take the already uncompressed video and audio and re-compress it into a format for storage on the external Tivo. This is why you see record times of 30/60 hours (high or low compression quality). This is also why there is a quality loss. Always.

However, the combination Tivo/UTV and DirecTV boxes don't store video this way. Instead of re=compressing the expanded video/audio, they instead store the RAW FEED from the satellite system BEFORE it is ever processed.

So when you play back on a combination box, it is feeding the exact same raw satellite feed that the receiver would have gotten if it came from directly from the satellite.

The result is ZERO quality loss, and more true-to-life recording time claims. If your box is rated for 35 hours, you will get very close to that.

TL
averagedude

join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ

A different view here

This posting was from yesterday - »Telecom Sector Beyond Repair?
You will see lots of people debating that it is ok/not ok because the tele-coms are falling on hard times.
Read for yourself and you decide.

mr sean
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Re: A different view here

Lets see, analysts say the telco side will remain depressed due to "too much competition".
On the other hand, analysts say the customers are getting gouged when there is no competition in the cable sector.

Given the current economy and the present administration.....which side do you think will win?
Competition and consumers?
Or monopolies and business?
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rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

bah humbug

what can be said here? we are getting screwed and the only choice is to switch to satellite or have nothing. satellite isn't a viable option in the city because if you live on a lower floor they put the dish on the roof making it susceptible to theft.
we were let down by the government with de regulation. BOTH parties are equally at fault. people should refuse to pay the increases. that would be interesting but impossible to organize. Americans are to apathetic. it is a different time.

Eat Me

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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Re: bah humbug

quote:
satellite isn't a viable option in the city because if you live on a lower floor they put the dish on the roof making it susceptible to theft.
Huh? In the ghetto maybe, but not everywhere in the city. Besides, the dish is the cheapest part of your system and is pretty useless without an IRD.

Karl Bode
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Re: bah humbug

There's also building codes....I don't remember the details but in Queens I was prevented from installing a dish....something to do with the number of floors your building has....

And they are stolen everywhere...not just in the Ghetto...I lived in Astoria (which I notice you do now) for six years and I think my neighbor had his stolen three times....

rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

Re: bah humbug

said by Karl Bode See Profile:
There's also building codes....I don't remember the details but in Queens I was prevented from installing a dish....something to do with the number of floors your building has....

And they are stolen everywhere...not just in the Ghetto...I lived in Astoria (which I notice you do now) for six years and I think my neighbor had his stolen three times....
thank you Lev. that same man claims there is a choice for cable in Manhattan. not one person I know had a choice and I know people all over.

roamer1
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Re: bah humbug

said by rit56 See Profile:
that same man claims there is a choice for cable in Manhattan.
AIUI, there are a few buildings where residents can choose between TWC and RCN -- but they're few and far between. (RCN is one of the only cable companies that doesn't require exclusive contracts with apartment owners/condo associations/co-op boards.)

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RoKmAn

join:2000-09-09
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Well, there is RCN...available in Manhattan and Queens, dont know about other boroughs. DirectTV dishes cost around $150.00 bucks, I dont think thats cheap.
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havinfun

join:2002-01-29
Schenectady, NY

Re: bah humbug

quote:
DirectTV dishes cost around $150.00 bucks, I dont think thats cheap.
Only if you're buying a multi-sat dish and then only if you buy retail.

Multi-sat dish at Radio Shack: $150
»www.radioshack.com/product.asp?c···6%2D2604

Round dish at Radio Shack: $50
»www.radioshack.com/product.asp?c···6%2D2608

Multi-sat dish on eBay: $100
»cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi···44041649

Round dish on eBay: $30
»cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi···43655216

Just a couple of examples. Most have round dishes, though it still adds up if stolen multiple times.
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA

I paid $60 for dish and receiver. I declined the free install.

It has paid for itself already.

happy customer

@sunlink.net

Re: bah humbug

I got the equipment and install for free and pay 22.95 a month for about 50 channels. sure beats time warner's 46.95

Jaime
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w00t Charter

They changed their rates in early 2002 by $10 on some of their packages so with that rate it was only a $5 difference between the 768/128 package and 1.544/128 package so that aint that bad .
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dvd536
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Re: w00t Charter

said by Jaime See Profile:
They changed their rates in early 2002 by $10 on some of their packages so with that rate it was only a $5 difference between the 768/128 package and 1.544/128 package so that aint that bad .

Thats GOOD if you can actually GET those speeds off the 1.5/128 plan.

Jaime
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I constantly get ~1.4/110 which is fine by me.

StudioTech
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join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ

To those in the 5% category

For those few that live in an area with competition, let the rest of us know what it's like. Can you switch cable companies easy if you're not satisfied with the service that's offered?
shadow520

join:2002-04-03
Warren, MI

Re: To those in the 5% category

said by StudioTech See Profile:
For those few that live in an area with competition, let the rest of us know what it's like. Can you switch cable companies easy if you're not satisfied with the service that's offered?
I switched from comcast to Wide Open West (WOW) this past summer. I had no problems switching, WOW came out and installed within a few days, and I've had no trouble since. Of course mailings from comcast have increased, but I'd expect that. They (comcast) tried to bill me for an extra month, but beyond that, the switch went without incident.
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In 'Greater' Annapolis, there's no competition available - but in the fringes, Millenium Cable serves many areas, including where we bought our house a couple years ago (and we didn't realize that at the time).
www.mdm.net
They serve a few odd areas, mostly out west. Check to see if in yours!
Our Comcast bills had been rising steady for the past years - we had Extended Basic, HBO 1&2, and Showtime 1&2. No cable internet - use DSL for that.
When our last bill hit $60, it was the last straw. Called MDM they gave us Extended Basic, HBO 1/2, Showtime 1/2, Cinemax 1/2, and Starz for $40 a month for 1 year.
The only thing we're missing is TechTV, but I can live without.
Hardest part is learning the new channels. Otherwise, it did take a few weeks for them to run the line from the box on the other side of the street to our house (had to get a permit to go underground), but I was in no rush.
So now, more channels, better cable box, better reception, better service....all for $20 a month LESS than Comcast.
Competition is good.
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Phoenix2088

join:2002-12-04
Strongsville, OH
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yup, all u do is cancel and call the other company, we have wideopenwest. also adelphia is in our area, but ppl are switching because adelphia sucks here. wideopenwest is much better, i get 1.5/300 internet and tv (70+channels for 54.95!) yes thats only 54.95, competition is great!
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: To those in the 5% category

Yes people with WideOpenWest have no problems in life. Their lives are perfect and have no right to complain about anything ever.

Phoenix2088

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Strongsville, OH
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Re: To those in the 5% category

lol isnt that tru

Count Hogula$
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What's the bitch?

Don't like it, get satellite.

It's not rocket science.

So unless you stop hitting yourself in the head with a hammer you will continue to hit yourself in the head with a hammer.

Well.....DUH!!!

The wonderful world of competition.
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Goldman

join:2002-06-21
Maumelle, AR

Re: What's the bitch?

Cable in my area is a high-priced joke, so I got DirecTV. You can't beat it for the price.

Traal

join:2000-10-19
Mesa, AZ
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said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Don't like it, get satellite...The wonderful world of competition.
The higher the prices for broadband in your area, the more companies you'll find making an effort to provide service. Well, at least in theory.
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deltapi

join:2001-04-25
Memphis, TN
Which is exactly what I did about 3 years ago. Time Warner is the only cable co. in the area, and rates kept climbing. I just tired of being screwed, so I've been a DirecTV customer since.....

PloKoon
Bumper Sticker Doctrine

join:2002-01-06
Cherry Hill, NJ
The bitch is that I can't watch my local sports teams play without Comcast cable. Can't do it with satellite. Feels like Comcast is the one hitting me with a hammer.

Count Hogula$
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Re: What's the bitch?

Why not? The only network you wouldn't get is YES.

PloKoon
Bumper Sticker Doctrine

join:2002-01-06
Cherry Hill, NJ

Re: What's the bitch?

Comcast philly doesn't make their Comcast Sportsnet channel - which broadcasts 90% of all Sixers, Flyers, & Phillies games - available to satellite providers. These games are also blacked out when subscribing to sports packages via the satellite provider.
vareshe

join:2001-05-19
Silver Spring, MD

said by Count Hogula$ See Profile:
Don't like it, get satellite.

It's not rocket science.

So unless you stop hitting yourself in the head with a hammer you will continue to hit yourself in the head with a hammer.

Well.....DUH!!!

The wonderful world of competition.

Umm.. many residents that live in apartments cannot get satellite due to restrictions on installing the dish.

SoSaystheFCC

Re: What's the bitch?

Actually the FCC says differently.

happy customer

@sunlink.net
stick a pole in a 5 gallon bucket of cement and mount the dish on it. Point it out the southern window.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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xrobertcmx
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Sterling, VA
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Bye bye Cable

Cox in our area kept upping the rates, and promising to get somewhere with the Digital upgrade, and internet rollout...I called about twice a year, and finally got sick of being told to expect it in April(April? What year?) so now we have Direct TV and Verizon DSL. I think all told we are saving about 20 or 30 a month
FatNoah

join:2002-07-22
Melrose, MA

Digital TV is the way to go!

I lived in an area served by RCN and MediaOne/ATT/Comcast. When I got fed up with MediaOne, I switched to RCN. When I got fed up with RCN, I switched to AT&T. Over the course of 3 years, I kept up with the intro offers. Yeah. Competition can help.

Of course, now I live in a new area, where AT&T the only provider. Fortunately, I've got a Digital TV tuner and a cheesey indoor UHF antenna that lets me get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, UPN, WB, and PBS with much better picture and sound than cable (even for non-high definition broadcasts) FOR FREE!! I really don't miss cable at all....
Bill Clo

join:2002-01-15
Lewisberry, PA

Re: Digital TV is the way to go!

What kind of experiences have you guys had with the 2 big problems with satellite: 1) high latency, 2) useage caps, especially during peak hours.

If you just watch TV/movies, it shouldn't be an issue, but if you use the Net heavily, or do online gaming, it can be a problem I hear.
TechLarry

join:2002-02-02
Fairfax, VA

Re: Digital TV is the way to go!

Online gaming ain't gonna happen over Satellite. Don't bother trying.

It's a long, LONG way up to that bird, and while datastreams can be fast, latency is extremely high.

Latency is the killer of online gaming, not bandwidth (for the most part).

I've had Satellite Internet. I did not like it ONE bit. I love DirecTV, but DirecPC, and their ugly "Fair Use" policies as well as the high latencies were simply too much for me to take.

Luckily, I've had cable (from a monopoly, Cox, of course), but since they are a legally granted monopoly (county board contract) they have certain limitations on what they can and cannot do.

And sometimes they indeed do very little

TL

DaveP

join:2001-03-09
North Haven, CT


Yeah, it stinks

AT&T here in CT has continually raised rates and provided zero additional for it. Promised upgrades, more channels, even internet service have fallen by the wayside. Luckily DSL has been available to me for over 1 1/2 yrs now. I'd be retired before the cable co gets their act together.

Expanded basic (not even digital) will now be close to $50 after taxes and fees. Choices? Other than satellite or rabbit ears, none.

I'm sure once Comcast fully takes over, the rates will go up some more. Satellite is looking better and better...
[text was edited by author 2002-12-10 12:01:07]

Pz_

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Huh?

I wonder why comcast is trying so hard to get everyone to go to dish/dsl. Because if they just left us alone, there really wouldn't be a problem.

Raising prices do to content? So why is it that cable content seems to cost more and more (only in areas without other cable companies) and dish seems to not go up?
oOPHYDEAUXOo

join:2002-10-03
Twinsburg, OH

Rate Hikes? Only pennies on the dollar here...

I've had my RoadRunner cable connection for almost 3 years now, and have only seen one price increase. This came about a month or so ago... and it was only an additional .59 cents. Is this abnormal, cuz I don't see what the fuss is over a .59 cent increase in 3 years.
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beerbum
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Price increases




OK time to play devil's advocate here..

I keep hearing this "45%" increase mentioned.. By many people and in many articles, but have of yet to see any true numbers to back that statement up.

Anyone have any links to any un-biased reports proving the 45% increase?

Also, it is a fact that every year, the broadcasters who supply the channels to the MSO's also raise the rates charged to the MSO's. Why is that never given any press? I'd be curious just how big of an increase say ESPN hits the MSO's with every year.

[text was edited by author 2002-12-10 13:15:50]

sonofjay
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Re: Price increases

said by beerbum See Profile:



OK time to play devil's advocate here..

I keep hearing this "45%" increase mentioned.. By many people and in many articles, but have of yet to see any true numbers to back that statement up.

Anyone have any links to any un-biased reports proving the 45% increase?

Also, it is a fact that every year, the broadcasters who supply the channels to the MSO's also raise the rates charged to the MSO's. Why is that never given any press? I'd be curious just how big of an increase say ESPN hits the MSO's with every year.

[text was edited by author 2002-12-10 13:15:50]

I may not be un-biasied....but these are facts

»Re: The cost of @Home/ATTBI for me.....

beerbum
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Re: Price increases

well what was originally reported and what is repeatedly talked about in the press is the increase in CATV services.. that is VIDEO, not Internet.

The Internet is still new, the demand for connections faster than dialup is high. Any 1st year economics student can tell you that equates in higher prices.

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Re: Price increases

said by beerbum See Profile:
well what was originally reported and what is repeatedly talked about in the press is the increase in CATV services.. that is VIDEO, not Internet.

The Internet is still new, the demand for connections faster than dialup is high. Any 1st year economics student can tell you that equates in higher prices.
HSI has been around to a mass market for years so its not that new. As for demand I won't disagree but its the lack of competition that allows this cable companies to charge the ludicrous rates they do. Wireless phone demand has been going at about the same rate as HSI yet their rates have continuously going down.

However, this is all moot as you were referring to the price of CATV and not HSI. My HSI had gone up 93% in 19 months, my CATV had gone up 45% in less than 9 before I dropped it. Although, this article may only focus on CATV, there are just as many that echo what I have shown and they do indeed reflect the true nature of what is going on in the cable industry both HSI and TV. Gouging and Profit taking are the motto of the day.

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Re: Price increases

said by sonofjay See Profile:
As for demand I won't disagree but its the lack of competition that allows this cable companies to charge the ludicrous rates they do.
I agree. This is purely the fault of the telco's who I think instead of building out their network to bring DSL to more people, they sat on it and dragged their feet deploying to protect their high priced T1 data service.

The cable co's were smart enough to see a future in HSI and went for it, spent the money to bring the service to more people.

And now people want to vilify them for that?

What I do not understand is if there is such a desire from the masses to have CATV competition, why don't other companies come in and build their own systems to compete?

I suppose they just don't want to spend the money.

quote:
Gouging and Profit taking are the motto of the day
oh so you are completely anti-business? cause last time I checked, the goal of any business is to extract as much money from the masses for a product in order to make the most profit possible. hmmm don't they have classes on that in colleges? maybe even entire schools dedicated to teaching those principals. What's it called? Oh.. Capitalism

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some st louis areas should expect to see around 50% increase in cable rates. reported in st louis post dispatch and on all local news networks.
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pnh102
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Slow news day?

This place is becoming a lot like Slashdot... I could have sworn I've seen the same exact forum posted here and here.
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beerbum
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Re: Slow news day?

said by pnh102 See Profile:
This place is becoming a lot like Slashdot... I could have sworn I've seen the same exact forum posted here and here.

yes you are right.. more and more the headlines section seems to be dedicated to either bashing the cable companies or something to do with file sharing.

Dunno what the price of cable TV service and breaking the law has to do with broadband. Hmm, editorial agenda maybe?

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: Slow news day?

Editorial Agenda? Give me a break...I'll bet you work for the cable co's...where's that agenda again?

A website actually gives a shit about the consumer for once amidst constant sodomizing by cable companies and it's something negative? An agenda? Blow that stinky wind elsewhere...
Terje

join:2002-10-10
Topeka, KS
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Re: Slow news day?

said by Minister See Profile:
Editorial Agenda? Give me a break...I'll bet you work for the cable co's...where's that agenda again?

A website actually gives a shit about the consumer for once amidst constant sodomizing by cable companies and it's something negative? An agenda? Blow that stinky wind elsewhere...
I'd have to agree....

pnh102
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said by beerbum See Profile:
Dunno what the price of cable TV service and breaking the law has to do with broadband.
I agree, and considering how many posters here are claiming to have ditched cable TV and moved to satellite, I don't see how there is lack of competition in this industry. If there are other options like satellite, then that is de-facto competition.
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Not understanding here...

Ok everyone, maybe you can help me out here.

It says above
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AT&T Comcast has announced rate hikes in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Oregon, Indiana, and many other markets. The company recently announced six to thirty percent (depending on your package) hikes in the San Francisco Bay area as well. These customers are also considering satellite services (also see companion article). Particularly hard hit are customers who rent their cable modem. They now face a $14 hike, bringing their monthly total for high speed service to $60 per month.
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But, if you click on the link to open the article for Indiana, it says this in it:

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Rates for other cable services such as high-speed Internet and phone service over cable will not change at this time, according to Gomolka.
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From what I'm getting is that there is a big confusion between AT&T Comcast Cable TV costs, and AT&T Comcast High Speed Internet costs.

Case in point above. It says "Particularly hard hit are customers who rent their cable modem. They now face a $14 hike, bringing their monthly total for high speed service to $60 per month.", yet the article it links to right above that says that Rates will not be going up at this time? Why don't those two statements match? Are rates going up or not?

Why can't everyone be on the same page. I would think that Greg Gomolka who is the AT&T Broadband government affairs manager for Northwest Indiana would know about the $14 hike that was stated above. If its not true, then why does it say that? Or, does Greg really know about it for the folks in Indiana, but choosing NOT to tell them "at this time".

Things like this make me mad. Why can't they just come out and say it like it is. Everyone in the end would be much happier with them.
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aszure3
You Only Live Once
Premium
join:2000-07-11
Spokane, WA
clubs:

Augusta GA

I do not live there any more but if you live in the right spot in Augusta you can get charter,comcast and knlogy ( knlogy provides phone cable and high speed internet)

roamer1
sticking it out at you

join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
clubs:

Re: Augusta GA

There is no overlap between Comcast and Charter...

Yes, Knology good

(but unfortunately, they don't serve Atlanta; a few smaller exurban towns have city-government-owned overbuilds, and of course there are all the apartment complexes with their own CRAP, but most people are stuck choosing between either AT&T/Comcast [or Charter or Adelphia, depending on the area] or a dish.)

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Thorter

join:2000-11-21
Wood Ridge, NJ

More for the money, at least this time

My experiences with T/W has been good. My cable internet service (RR) is much better for the money than Verizon DSL that I had. My rate increase for 1-1-03 will be 5%, but I will also now be able to have a free upgraded digital cable box that will allow me to watch HDTV on a HDTV ready TV. From what I see a HDTV converter goes for $600. Also for my 5% increase I get video on demand for HBO, Cinemax, Showtime & The Movie channel for free. That is only free for my cable package called D-Best (internet plus 4 pay groups). VOD allows you to pause, rewind etc ppv and now some cable channels, pretty cool. I definately believe competion would be good and I wish my cable bill was less, but this time they gave some services with the increase. Just my 2 cents...
Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast

Just called up Comcast and cancelled my service.

took some time during my lunch period to go ahead and call up and cancel, told them I'm going to satellite, also.

They try to turn you back, offering you discounts and whatnot, but I would put my money someplace else rather than taking a shorterm discount from them and helping them screw people with my support.

Good riddance, Comcast.
Nitewind

join:2001-08-10
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Just called up Comcast and cancelled my service.

Congratulations !

I have had Direct TV and DirecTV DSL in Jacksonville for about 2 years now and had my order in to DTV for a upgraded dish for local channels the day they came on. It was delivered and setup in 4 days. There sprouting up all over the city after the problems with ATT.

What really impressed me is the rollout by DirectTV for the local channels being opened up here. They brought in installers from Louisiana, Alabama and Georgia to make sure this is being done smoothly and quickly and at the same time the Main Office calls in during the installation to make sure everything is on the up and up.

Price for DirecTV Plus and Local channels is just 39.99 can't beat that with a stick and not ONE PRICE increase for the channels or DSL in over 2 years !

Enjoy
astirusty
Premium
join:2000-12-23
Henderson, NV
·AT&T Southwest

Just Say NO.

I don't know about the rest of you. But as bad as TV is (via Ant/Cable/Sat); you might just want to pocket your money and save up for something you have always wanted.
And instead of just sittin around staring at that now blank screen, take up a hobby/sport or talk/play with your kids/dog/cats/SO.

Sort on/off subject: But to those TV service providers (reading this) who are pushing High-Definition programs by feeding us "Letter Box" programs; you can forget it. I am not buying a new HD-TV to watch this garbage on. Let alone five new TVs; that I would need.

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Good Ol Dan

join:2000-05-15
Rochelle Park, NJ

The rate hikes are probably justified...

... now that Snoop Dogg is doing the "Girls Gone Wild" infomercials on just about every channel all night long

Talent like that costs money, y'know.

D.
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
·Verizon FIOS

Basic Cable Now MORE than DTV Total Choice Plus


I got my Internet Bill today with the BS line about why they are raising rates...

Basic Cable goes from $38.31 to $41.30
HBO +$1.00.. others are +$0.50
Digital Cable Gold (150 channels) $76.95 to $81.95

All prices above do not include all the BS fees they charge like REMOTE CONTROL RENTAL, Cable Box rental etc.

Lets see, I pay $39.99 (no tax, fees etc) for over 130 digital channels.

I am so glad I dumped Cable TV. Funny how they blame all the increases on the "cost of programming" when dish providers don't increase prices near as often. I guess the networks, etc don't increase the rates for Sat companies.
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: Basic Cable Now MORE than DTV Total Choice Plus

Let me add, that I live in an Apt, and my dish is INSIDE. Here is roughly what I did... The Plexiglass only costs me a few signal points. I get about a 85-88 signal. (60 is locked)

»www.netwurx.net/~mattyblast/dish.htm

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest

Actually, the networks tend to try and charge satellite companies MORE then they charge their cable affiliates...

Cable Internet access is like the "License to Screw" monopoly rip-em-hard provision. You see, if it was just TV, and they jacked rates, soon Echostar and DTV would be in control....

... but... If your internet access is via cable, well, then, you can't switch to Dish nearly as easily... and they know it.
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mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: Basic Cable Now MORE than DTV Total Choice Plus


It used to be a $5 difference between TV and non TV customers. Now I think it is $15.

However, considering I am getting Digital TV for less than HALF of what I would have to pay for with Comcast, DTV and paying the extra for Internet alone is still well worth it. And with these increases, Basic Cable will be around $45 including all the taxes, fees, etc, so DTV and Cable Internet is about $10 more than Basic Cable TV + Cable Internet.

But yes, it is pretty obvious that Comcast is trying their best to discourage people from going to Sat by jacking up the non-TV customer Internet price.
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