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| Redlining Verizon is redlining in Far Rockaway Queens NY. Richer neighborhoods to the left and right have FIOS already and poorer places are being strategically avoided even though there are some newly built and sizable developments. | |
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 | CopperMux
join:2005-01-18
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| Re: Redlining said by The Rock :
Verizon is redlining in Far Rockaway Queens NY. Richer neighborhoods to the left and right have FIOS already and poorer places are being strategically avoided even though there are some newly built and sizable developments.
So says the uneducated. Try Harlem and the areas of the Bronx, SI and Brooklyn that are live now. Poor (by NYC standards) areas that are already live while the rich areas (UES, UWS, Riverdale etc) still sit without any FIOS.
Redlining only exists in your mind. | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| Re: Redlining said by CopperMux  :said by The Rock :
Verizon is redlining in Far Rockaway Queens NY. Richer neighborhoods to the left and right have FIOS already and poorer places are being strategically avoided even though there are some newly built and sizable developments.
So says the uneducated. Try Harlem and the areas of the Bronx, SI and Brooklyn that are live now. Poor (by NYC standards) areas that are already live while the rich areas (UES, UWS, Riverdale etc) still sit without any FIOS. Redlining only exists in your mind. Correction, so says the ignorant. The whole redlining BS is nothing more than a catch phrase spewed by a portion of this site's visitors/members. That poster probably doesnt even know what it means, and simply heard people talking about it so he decided to repeat it. It has been shown time and time again that no redlining has gone on with regards to FIOS, as many of the lower income areas were/are the first served in their markets. This has gotten to the point that even some of the people who historically disagree about everything are coming down on people who keep perpetuating the redlining conspiracy.
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | I call BS. Far Rockaway may not have it but I was doing FIOS inspections in Queens earlier this year and I saw all kinds of neighborhoods getting FIOS. | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Re: Redlining said by Pathfinder :I call BS. Far Rockaway may not have it but I was doing FIOS inspections in Queens earlier this year and I saw all kinds of neighborhoods getting FIOS. Exactly. Nothing to see here except another (wannabe) rabble-rouser with nothing to do on a Friday afternoon. YAWN................
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| NYC Girl
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New York, NY
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| said by The Rock :
Verizon is redlining in Far Rockaway Queens NY. Richer neighborhoods to the left and right have FIOS already and poorer places are being strategically avoided even though there are some newly built and sizable developments.
Oh, well, that's money they are losing, too bad... | |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| I was in NY City not too long ago... and couldn't help but to contemplate the enormity of the challenge that Verizon has ahead of them.
Imagine if you will the problems you'd encounter in just rewiring one small apartment house anywhere in this country.
Wall fishing is no easy task even for a project that size.
Now imagine NY City, and all the buildings there.
It's just such a vast array of building designs, heights and complexities that it's almost mind boggling to consider how they'll pull it off.
Still though, their completion date of 2014 seems realistic.
50% completion by 2010 seems to be a bit of a stretch though.
Good luck to them and their workers. It's an ambitious project and they've certainly shown themselves to be willing to take on the tough tasks. Their decisions are delivering a real next generation network to their customer base and they're sparing no expense in doing it.
I think you have to admire their CEO for standing up to their shareholders and making these tough decisions.
"We're gonna spend 25 Billion of your money"...isn't an easy thing to say to them.
"We're gonna raise your dividend instead and not spend it"..seems easier for other companies to say.
The day is coming however, where those decisions will make all the difference in the world I think.
And something tells me that one day, Verizons shareholders will be happy as he** they had a real leader at the helm.
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | Re: I was in NY City not too long ago... My thoughts exactly.... | |
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| Alphy
join:2001-12-31
Troy, MI | Once it's done it's good for...a long time. | |
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avd706
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Great Neck, NY | why don't they? I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment. | |
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Cape Girardeau, MO
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| Re: why don't they? said by avd706 :I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment. If they are going to pull cable why not pull fiber and be ready for the next 10,20,30+ years? Sure cat6 can do gigabit but it as a 100m distance limit which you would easily run into in some of these buildings.
If your going to do it you should do it right, and do it right the first time. It will be better for everyone this way. | |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
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join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: why don't they? Precisely. The logistics are the same either way, and last I checked, laser light doesn't travel well over copper. Gigabit Ethernet is dialup compared to what that little fiber can do.
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MacLeech
Anonymous posters are ignored
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| said by avd706 :I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment. 100 meter Cat5e limitation maybe? | |
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| alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
| said by avd706 :I don't understand why they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment. FiOS is more than Data, that's all you guys think about. How about Phone and TV, do you want Verizon to run Coax too? It has to be Fiber all the way, you guys here are too narrow minded. | |
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jonnyb
join:2008-03-15
Haverhill, NH | Re: why don't they? "How about Phone and TV, do you want Verizon to run Coax too?" Of coarse they have to run Coax what do you think connects to there STB's and other equipment. Sounds like you are just as narrow minded... | |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
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Chicago, IL
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| Re: why don't they? said by jonnyb :"How about Phone and TV, do you want Verizon to run Coax too?" Of coarse they have to run Coax what do you think connects to there STB's and other equipment. Sounds like you are just as narrow minded... Research is your friend. We'll wait until you come back with a correction to your statement.
Oh hell...I'll just do it now. They run fiber to the unit which carries all services--HSI, Phone and Video--and that's been an installation sticking point with traditional fiber. The new "bendable fiber" has alleviated some of the installation hassles. Any coax or copper phone wiring is inside the apartment.
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jonnyb
join:2008-03-15
Haverhill, NH
| Re: why don't they? What are you saying? that with this new "bendable fiber" they are going to run this to the cable boxes and modems and so on and so forth. if the answer to that question is no then you are just reiterating what i said previously. it is common knowledge that they run FTTH or to mini node in the home. | |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON | Re: why don't they? Verizon would run bendable fiber (Google about it - it does exist) to the node, but most likely leave it up to the home owner/tenant to get their equipment connected to said node.
... or charge a handsome fee to do it for them. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
| said by jonnyb :What are you saying? that with this new "bendable fiber" they are going to run this to the cable boxes and modems and so on and so forth. if the answer to that question is no then you are just reiterating what i said previously. it is common knowledge that they run FTTH or to mini node in the home. Heckler, you're all lost, this has to do with buildings and apartments. Avd706 said he didn't understand why Verizon doesn't pull Cat5 from the basement or each floor connection into the apartment. I guess the thinking was this would cut cost or be easier, but he was only thinking about Data and it would defeat the purpose of FTTH. Verizon runs Fiber to each apartment, then from there inside wire is used for each Product (Data, Voice, & Video.) | |
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avd706
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join:2003-02-06
Great Neck, NY
| Data is Data What's the difference? You could use a bridge to connect fiber->cat 6 -> triple play switching box (whatever it is called)
I work in an office building in brooklyn. The WAN is Fiber and each floor has 2 or 3 fiber lines connecting to gigabit switches with runs to each cubicle. The phones are digital, but they are on a parallel system. No reason you couldn't put the phones on the same system.
Each cubicle has 2 cat 5 ports (originally token ring) a cat 3 port (abandoned) and two phone jacks. | |
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MacLeech
Anonymous posters are ignored
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
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| Re: Data is Data said by avd706 :What's the difference? You could use a bridge to connect fiber->cat 6 -> triple play switching box (whatever it is called) The video part of the triple play is pushing out several GIGs of data per second.... 860 Mhz of channels = 135 channels at 38 Mbps each = 5.1 Gbps of data.... using a modulated analog carrier signal. Is your GigE or 10G switch going to encode that signal for transport across ethernet?
Plus coax video distribution is well entrenched, common, and cheap. 10G over ethernet in residential applications isn't.
It's cheaper and easier to for Verizon to lay fiber for current services all the way to where they need it vs. rolling a new solution or extra transport segment that may not really perform all that well (i.e. Uverse) without extra years of testing and tweaking.
Beyond that... what's the cost of a GigE or 10G switch vs. the cost of a coax splitter or Scotchlocks... No point in adding an entire extra segment (at most a couple hundred meters long) to a working distribution method. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by avd706 :I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment. What do you do when you need to stream 1 terabit of data per sec for a 3D VR simulator? Run it over Cat6? With the fiber to the apt unit lay out, you can always swap the ONT (fiber to electric/copper conversion box) for something faster that can take advantage of fiber, what are you going to do with Cat6? | |
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Reaper
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join:2005-06-28
White Lake, MI | Props to Verizon (in NY at least) I just wish they were more ambitious about deploying here to my house  White Lake, MI!
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