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join:2001-10-03
Houston, TX | Very Slick... Hmmm, maybe I should get Time Warner RoadRunner service? I'm about to pick a broadband connection for my new location. TW would love me after I've implemented this  | |
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Darkflight
3G Stitch626
join:2001-03-03
Rowland Heights, CA | Re: Very Slick... Imagine everyone who misses their old speeds were able to get it back using this....
Retro meets bandwidth again...
Hmm, I like that idea...
ATT/Comcast would really enjoy that...
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| | kyleisslick$
join:2001-07-30
West Palm Beach, FL
| honestly peoples im getting pretty dam clueless on how to do this uncapping thing. shit i thought i was ok at computers to. i got all the programs that he told u he needed. alot of config files to i have no clue were to put these files. id neeed step by step insructions on how to do this. so your typical cable user would probably not know how to uncap this even with those instructions that matthew gave. | |
| Network Guy
join:2000-08-25
New York
 ·PHONE POWER
·Broadvox Direct
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Nothing new Similar techniques have come about and are usually highly sought after by those who want to get the most out of their cable modem service. It may work, just not for long before you are shut down. Makes for fun reading, and maybe an interesting trial and error project to undertake.
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
·VOIPo
| Shows where blame should be.... Forget the fact that he was able to hack his modem just to get "blazing" speeds higher than the caps. The point here is the fact that AT&T keeps saying that there aren't any problem with their network and it is the "users" fault. This just proves that AT&T's, and other providers as well, have networks that can handle the loads but they are no willing to put the effort into them to give customers what they want. | |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
·VOIPo
| Re: Looks like a good way to get your service canceled I could see having the cable company cancel your service, due to violation of their AUP. I would imagine that most have a clause similar to the following:
The Internet is known as a "shared resource", and Road Runner accounts operate accordingly using these resources. Excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on all other customers. Misuse of network resources in a manner, which impairs network performance, is prohibited by this policy and may result in termination of your account. This includes, but is not limited to:
Running any web, FTP, HTTP, chat, nntp, mail, DHCP, game, Gateway, proxy or other server from home, regardless of content or purpose.
Consistently using an excessive amount of bandwidth, as determined by Cox Road Runner personnel.
Circumventing their speed caps would probably constitute "misuse of network resources" in some manner.
BTW, the above AUP comes from Cox Cable Road Runner's pathetic service in the Northern Virginia area.
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| | kyleisslick$
join:2001-07-30
West Palm Beach, FL
| hmmmmm.
ok heres the deal. im with powerlink. well i have yet to try this but as soon as i get home i will.
currently i have 2 cable modems and i am going to shut off the srvice and still get cable. heres how it works. i buy a modem. tell the tech support that they gave me a new modem tell them my new mac adress they ask for the ols one to cancel it out. i tell them a wrong number. they cancel out a wrong number.they still think i have the original modem when actually i have both. now ive canceled the service and the modem that i bought still works. so if im not there cusotmer and they do NOT know customers mac adress. when u call them. can tehy find out who i am? or where i live. i belive they could cancel the modem out but thats the least of my worryies. i only want to change the unbearable u/l speed. | |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Looks like a good way to get your service canceled I think you'll find it works the other way around... If the cable company sees a modem with a MAC address that they don't know about, they'll disable the modem.
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| | | | kyleisslick$
join:2001-07-30
West Palm Beach, FL | Re: Looks like a good way to get your service canceled still been working for months | |
| | RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
·XMission
| And then you have Motorola quote:
According to 3Com spokesperson Kim Sullivan, the big network equipment maker discontinued its consumer cable modem business last summer.
"We currently do not have a product that is affected by the threat" described by Hallacy, she said.
Remember back in the 60's when a person invented the 'blue box'? He told the feds about it, they asked AT&T. AT&T said "impossible". Organized crime bought it up and the story went down hill from there.
If man makes, man can break.
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SterlingJ85
Obama 2008
join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
·PHONE POWER
| Re: And then you have Motorola I think that was the fastest implementation a telco ever had... They had new circuit switched equipment installed in less than 6 months in most areas...
Wish that DSL would be implemented just as fast. 
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Brendan
Warr Guitar is here
join:2000-07-14
Littleton, CO |  Re: And then you have Motorola
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gomer1701ems
join:2001-08-23
Minneapolis, MN | said by RayW:
Remember back in the 60's when a person invented the 'blue box'?
I'm sorry, but what is a "blue box?"
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SterlingJ85
Obama 2008
join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
·PHONE POWER
| Re: And then you have Motorola It was a box that made dial tones when most things were still rotary. They discovered that by making certain tones (mimicing the phone companies DTMF equipment) with a "captain crunch" whistle... The telephone switch would route you to a long distance circuit that would allow you to dial long distance 100% free of charge for as long as you wanted. (The guy who found this was dubbed "Captain Crunch" because of his whistle.) After AT&T realized that it was actually possible to do this, they pulled the machanical dialers out and put in electronic dialers. | |
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join:2002-03-17
|  Blue Box, Red Box, and Oh Ma Bell!!!
I don't blame the phone company for trying to stop theft of service, but as the excellent article points out, they were at the time concealing the existence of their device that recorded every time a phone was picked up, as well as the number dialing and the number dialed. You recall the old movies with the cops trying to trace who the kidnapper was by means of the phone, and all those technicians shown running around the telco offices looking at the rotary switches in a 30+ minute effort to trace? Well, it was all blarney from the phone company who told authorities that there was no record of what phone number called what other number, so often the miscreant said "Don't bother to try and trace; I won't be on long enough." Turns out the telco had the 'Automatic Message Accounting' machine all the time (since the early 50s at least) and just denied its existence, even though RADIO ELECTRONICS then prints a photo of the very booklet about the machine that Ma Bell had printed before a bean counter there realized that it would tip off both the public and authorities to the fact that the phone company always knows who is calling whom, and the telcos dreaded what they imagined to be thousands of inquiries from public and government alike as to who called who, and the consequent expense of having employees having to run the record tapes for each inquiry. Imagine how many thousands of extortioners, pedophiles, kindnappers, and filthy talkers got away because it was inconvenient for AT&T to take the time to help authorities!
You will be amazed by the revelations in this article in a respected tech journal as to just how craven, greedy and manipulative the phone company was, and this is just part of why the US govt spent millions to finally break up a horrible monopoly that overthrew the government of Chile!
Moral of the story? Don't EVER believe a 'provider', since like all businesses, they exist to take as much money from you as possible and in any way they can! Whether it hurts your interests or not is of no moment to them. Always realize that computers make it VERY easy to steal your private life from you and commit any number of frauds for the power and profit of big business, and that the government which is wholly owned by big business will never do anything concrete to help you. Regard all dealing with any 'provider' (or any business) as a calculated risk = weigh the supposed benefits carefully against all the obvious and hidden costs. We all ALL victims of our amoral society, even the crafty fellow who tweaked his modem, for, if they desire, the big business types can squash him or you and me like bugs, and our good-for-nothing governments will only shuffle the papers and say something like: 'regrettable.' | |
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Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs: | Re: And then you have Motorola [quote]The blue box worked at one time...[\quote]
My point exactly, and AT&T said it could not. So said Ms Sullivan....
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Ruffian949
join:2000-12-08
Noblesville, IN
| Actually I believe that if the DOCSIS spec is followed that this would not be possible. Since I don't know exactly how they (cable co)have their equipment configured, I can only assume that they aren't configured correctly and that it is not a problem with the DOCSIS spec.
Here is a quote from C. Ciocirlan (docsis program creator) for a little more backround (not to be confused as the DOCSIS spec creator).
"Moreover, even if you do manage to send it a file, you will probably won't be able to get the modem on-line. This is because the modem configuration file contains a HMAC-MD5 hash which is performed using a secret key that only the operator knows. When your modem tries to get online, this hash (known as CMTS MIC) is sent to the CMTS together with some important data and the CMTS re-calculates it. If you don't know the key - which you probably don't - you can't get the modem to register with the network." | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Another Reason it may not work | |
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| OK Im confused How is it going to help to boost your cable modem if you can't get close to your max speeds to begin with? Sluggishnesh in the network needs to be fixed by AT&T. That's like having a gas tank at 20 gallons, everytime it hits 20 gallons it starts leaking... doesn't matter how much fuel you dump in it or how fast you dump it, it will still leak at 20 gallons. Another dumbass datageek Im afraid.
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biggbrother
Premium
join:2001-11-07
Providence, RI | Another Reason to Get DSL Instead | |
| | Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Another Reason to Get DSL Instead DSL is not secure by any means, it still has security issues most dont know about yet. While DSL is consistent at best it is not as a reliable as cable by any means especially in places where equipment or phone lines are old. In Newer complexes where equipment or phone lines are newer ya it is a lot more reliable there. One thing going for DSL is Latency is not usually an issue only cause they have the better ratio than Cable being (4to1 rather than 13to1). While that $8-$10 more per month is probably a better deal for consumers I wouldn't try to run a business off that cause if it does goes down you can be down for days due to the fact that ADSL is superceded by S/I/DSL lines. But overall I do think DSL is better for business and cable is better for consumers but just my opinion. (Plus I work with DSL everyday) | |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| I get 7500/925 kbps with my cable for $29.95 per month. It never goes down. Now explain to me again why DSL is better (and don't forget to tell me what speeds I'd be getting with DSL). Thank you.
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biggbrother
Premium
join:2001-11-07
Providence, RI
| Re: Another Reason to Get DSL Instead Sorry, I should have put the "*Except Optimum Online Customers" disclaimer there. OOL is only regional, unless you've heard that its coming to New England. If so, can you give me the number I can call to sign up? I'm sure Cox must be scared that OOL is moving in on its territory.(sarcasm intended)
OOL is good & fast because its a REGIONAL company with a great business model. However, if OOL were to go nationwide or even all East-Coast, you'd see a cap on your speeds faster than those downloads are coming to you today. Heck, even Cox has pretty good service, and if Cox were a regional company like Cablevision, they'd probably be shoving 10mbps down my through whether I want it or not. But Cox is a big company with many more customers than OOL. Therefore, a cap on speeds exists. Don't forget that DOCSYS 2.0 is around the corner and will allow Cablevision to offer tiered service like DSL does.
My Verizon DSL is NEVER down. I live in a 71-year-old two family home in Providence. Verizon sent a tech to replace the ENTIRE line from the poll to the house, even though the other apartment uses Cox Telephone service. That's what I call service. That's what I call reliability.
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| | | | EGamboaCR
join:2002-02-18
Cookeville, TN
| Re: Another Reason to Get DSL Instead "Sorry, I should have put the "*Except Optimum Online Customers" disclaimer there. OOL is only regional, unless you've heard that its coming to New England. If so, can you give me the number I can call to sign up? I'm sure Cox must be scared that OOL is moving in on its territory.(sarcasm intended)
OOL is good & fast because its a REGIONAL company with a great business model. However, if OOL were to go nationwide or even all East-Coast, you'd see a cap on your speeds faster than those downloads are coming to you today. Heck, even Cox has pretty good service, and if Cox were a regional company like Cablevision, they'd probably be shoving 10mbps down my through whether I want it or not. But Cox is a big company with many more customers than OOL. Therefore, a cap on speeds exists. Don't forget that DOCSYS 2.0 is around the corner and will allow Cablevision to offer tiered service like DSL does."
hehe, right. That is like saying they are more technologically advanced in Japan than we are here in the US. Just go take a look at the speeds offered by Japanese ISPs and take a look at the crap ISPs here in the US.
Cable/DSL companies here can DEFINITELY provide 10MB connections for FAR less than they are providing this crap now but they choose not to because of the money they are making. It's all about MONEY.
Lets say I own a cable company, and I sell broadband to a few shmucks, say 4000 people in one city (example) and I'm getting $60 a month per 500/128 (example) connection from these people. WHY would I want to upgrade all my equipment and all the cable lines so that I can provide 10MB connections to everyone for less???? Any good reason? There is only one; sucker the customers into thinking the other lines REALLY are EXPENSIVE and sell them the crap for the price of 3 10MB connections in Japan or what not and make more money. This guy was just taking what was rightfully his, the contracts are full of sh*t! | |
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AlexNYC
join:2001-06-02
Edwards, CO
| There are too many restrictions on Cable, they don't give you a static IP, they don't allow servers or server applications, they sell your info to telemarketers and spammers and they watch where you surf. All of the above are clearly stated in the RR service agreement. Getting 7500/925 kbps is great, but useless to me, plus it would compromise my privacy.
Alex | |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Another Reason to Get DSL Instead OK, Alex, one at a time:•No static IP: Yes, but my IP hasn't changed in months. Also, I have dyndns.org set up and my Netgear router updates the info automatically if my IP address changes.•No servers: Correct, but OOL looks the other way when it comes to low-traffic, personal servers.•Telemarketers and spammers: When I signed-up for Mindspring DSL, I got spam within 2 days! I hadn't even sent a single email message or given my email address to anyone, but I started getting spam! OOL members who keep close tabs on their email addresses report that they don't get any spam. As far as telemarketers are concerned, who can tell where they get the info from? I get calls from Verizon DSL, and I doubt they got my name from OOL!•Watch where you surf: OOL doesn't. Bottom line is that OOL is cheaper and 5 to 10 times faster than DSL.
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AlexNYC
join:2001-06-02
Edwards, CO
|  Re: Another Reason to Get DSL Instead
said by Road Runner Policies:
Unless you object, federal law also allows us to disclose certain information to others, including advertisers and direct mail or telemarketers, for non-cable related purposes, including product advertising, direct marketing, and research.
I know that it says that if someone objects they say that they will remove you from the list after that, but how would they remove you from the telemarketers's lists and how many people do you think have read the policies and are aware of this?
Fast is good, but for me no thanks.
Alex | |
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Fornow
@sympatico.ca | All good things will come to an end... | |
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Theo2002
join:2002-02-28
Clermont, FL | where is the juice Hmm. Any pointers to the actual info on how to tweak your modem?  | |
| | | wilbywilson
join:2001-02-24
Arlington, VA
| Re: I'm confused If people start uncapping their modems, this would be easy to track. I'm sure that RR and other cable providers are monitoring bandwidth and running MRTG to see which nodes are eating the juice. (It's just some logs, and MRTG takes the logs and converts it to bandwidth graphs. If you're in 5th grade you can read a graph. It's not rocket science)
Also, you are not limited *just* by your cable modem's DOCSIS config. One small addition to the RR router config can lower/raise/adjust the allocated bandwidth to a node. It doesn't matter *what* you do to your cable modem in that circumstance. You can't attain bandwidth that isn't allocated to you.
Likewise, the cable companies are not solely relying on the cable modems to cap bandwidth. Most of the provisioning and allocation is done from the NOC, where they only allocate a certain amount to each node. Once it gets to the node, then maybe someone local to that area whose modem is uncapped would get more bandwidth than other people on that particular node. But you can never get more bandwidth than they spit out to your node.
Those are the facts as I understand them.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Uncapping All cable companies have to do is send a reboot command to the modem every 10 - 15 minutes on nodes where uncapping is suspected. This will get old with uncappers and make it more trouble than its worth. Theft of service? hardly. when you are getting 25% of what they state speeds are, you don't only pay 25% of your bill. Just big business crying foul when users try to get what they're paying for. Please direct flames to /dev/nul | |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ | Re: Uncapping But if you're getting slow speeds, uncapping won't help. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | True. if you aren't hitting your caps then uncapping does nothing. but if they state "Up to 1500kbps" but they actually have it capped much lower you may see speed improvement. | |
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wolverinefan
Let's Go Blue
join:2001-06-13
Walled Lake, MI
| What's wrong with his argument... As said by the article
"According to Hallacy, he hacked the modem just to prove that AT&T's network management, and not his modem, was the performance bottleneck, and he immediately changed the settings back."
It seems like what he did directly contradicts this. By changing his modem settings, he gained speed. Thus, the modem was the bottleneck. He just proved that the AT&T network was NOT the bottleneck for his connection.
Taking a step back, I highly doubt that AT&T's network could handle all users uncapping their modems without serious upgrades.
My SB3100 has the potential to run at 38Mbps/10Mbps. This does not happen becuase it is capped for QoS (and money-making) reasons.
The only things this guy has shown about the cable network capacity:
1) Yes, his modem has potential for higher speeds (duh)
2) The network could accomodate ONE user at these speeds
Now, here's another question...
Do we all think that the reason his cable modem was running at 75kbps was that he was capped at 75kbps? Probably not. If he wasn't realizing the full potential of his cap before, how in the world did he increase his cap and get greatly increased speed??? Something sounds funny here...
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Ching
| Not such a big surprise... Funny thing is...Comcast purposely does not try to oversubscribe their CMTS upstream ports (FYI-a single upstream port may have 1-8 nodes combined into it, depending on how many homes passed each node has. The more nodes there are, the more POTENTIAL noise there will likely be. And yes, economics do serve as a guide in a lot of design decisions). But they do actively plan market upgrades to accomodate these growth issues. Do you really think it helps them not to? Screw the customer just for the hell of it? I know that the market upgrades that I was privy to were delayed only because of the @Home fiasco and a history of bad DHCP performance by @Home's servers (it lasted over a year and a half in our market). Before we could perform many of the necessary upgrades, we had to first convert thousands of subs , who had been left statically configured. This is neither a quick, simple nor inexpensive to perform.
We have specs from the CMTS manufacturer and try to adhere to them for the sake of the quality of the service. Now, a lot of people have speed issues for a variety of LEGITIMATE reasons and one issue potentially is oversubscription. However, it is the exception, not the rule.
We also make a conscious effort to verify QoS levels on ALL CMTS routers in the network. If they appear to have an unusual speed created by the modem, we get a little suspicious and suspect the obvious, as suggested in this article. While this issue is out there, I believe it gets dealt with in DOCSIS spec 1.1 or 2.0. And they still stick out like a sore thumb when your looking for them in the config.
Its a little funny to me how many people point to the wacky high speeds that they had been experiencing previously as a gauge of what they expect now. I am talking about the 2-6 megabits that many bragged about having. It is documented fact that @Home had billing system / router misconfiguration issues that defaulted customers to uncapped modems, which they didn't rush to fix. I have seen cmts routers with 4000+ uncapped modems. Imagine how well it deals with contention in that scenario. Had @Home properly enforced their QoS caps, much of these unfair comparisons wouldn't be such an issue. They covered up quite a bit by allotting more overhead in form of a 3 meg down / 128 k up in the first place. I remind you that they NEVER said you were supposed to be getting 3 meg down, only that it was comparatively UP TO 100 times faster than 28.8(which was a stretch in the first place). In many cases, the modems were fully uncapped at 10 meg down and upwards of 1.5 meg up.
Its obvious that I have a connection with Comcast. I am sure that many of the horror stories that have been expressed regarding customer service with us are true and its saddens me. I would at least like to express that the engineering staff takes great pride in all of its endeavors. We are very sensitive and responsive to the issues with which we come into contact. We are very conscientious about what we do. Within Comcast, we try to fight some of the battles that we see rage here in the postings. We are neither naive nor ignorant. As sappy as it sounds, we actually care about what we do.
Just some more wood for the fire...and a hope for just a little bit of understanding. | |
| rstuckey
join:2001-08-26
Austin, TX
| Network Security sucks!
What "we" don't know is a much larger topic than what we do know.
The fact is:
Most "Tech Support" is actually some person with little or no knowledge or experience at all.
And it's going to get worse.
Case in point: TW is franchised to provide cable (et al) to my neighborhood. But guess what? Ah, no. It's Cox here.
Go figure.
Not a suprise.............
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| | Odin53
join:2002-04-21
Morgantown, WV
| Okay, So how do I program the modem (RCA) | |
| | maaloxx
join:2002-02-27
Staten Island, NY
| Re: Okay, So how do I program the modem (RCA) Wanna buy the software and the How To? I was a level 3 that worked for TW supporting Roadrunner. I decided to uncap the cable modem to see if it was possible (which it certainly is) and how it could be stopped. Because I didn't notify anyone about my doings while testing, I was terminated! So, I have no choice but to sell my info! LOL | |
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Looks like a good way to get your service canceled
I'm confused