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| Re: Take Note..... said by Masque:U.S. Government, take note and get a spine! They will take note but since they are bought an paid for by the industry (along with Defense, Pharma, Insurance, etc.) they will turn a blind eye.
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| | | | Re: Take Note..... I'm sure politicians in the US are shaking their head wondering - again - why the EU doesn't realize how backwards they are.
Nice to see real government at work. | |
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| | | entertainment industry's efforts to impose a crock of shit on all of us have backfired hahahahah why? because they are lame greedbags who would love to take away our rights just to fight "piracy".
i boycott the hollywood industry and only buy used films. | |
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| | About Time It's about time. Well, nice to see some people still have a sensibility of correct actions to be taken in addition to some intestinal fortitude. | |
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join:2000-11-28
South Bend, IN | WELL ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME!! | |
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| Re: Hell ya! said by OldschoolDSL:Everyone else said it, but what the hell... It's about time! Someone needed to give these people a swift kick in the "you know where" a long time ago. Europe has one thing America has been lacking... A public voice. These days more and more things happen behind close doors. The USA could learn a think or two from Europe. Are you really that serious? Europe might have voted this down but your talking about the place that has rfid on trash cans. You think we have something to learn? The public voice is feel good information and this has no importance on them and if did we would not even have the systems of spying.
Now if you would have said more people are waking up and pushing back then I would agree. | |
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Europe might have voted this down but your talking about the place that has rfid on trash cans. You think we have something to learn?
For a start, the UK puts rfid on its bins, the EU (that loose political union of several European countries, the UK being one of them and one if its largest financial contributors) doesn't mandate it, nor have I heard of it happening elsewhere.
Secondly, not all of the UK does it. Many local councils don't at all, others do it voluntarily ("do you want to know how much you're throwing away"), and a few do it without a care. I don't even have bins where I live, so I don't see how they plan to rfid that.
Thirdly, the EU has shown itself to be quite opposed to some of the antics the UK government gets up to (this is the national goverment, the local councils I referred to are a level below that).
The EU (as well as the UK's "unelected" House of Lords) have been an effective last-resort to stop the terrible government we have wreaking more havoc. | |
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| | | | Re: Hell ya! said by OldschoolDSL:@oh_really Register! We often do not get to many opinionated "guest" and I find your points of views correct. Think you'd make a good member here. Despite the comment made before. I believe that Europe could teach us a thing here. Some of us seen the EU raise support for spying on the public and lie just as well as the rest of political clowns. Lets say the democrats blocked this out which would look good on the surface but as most of us know this one time voting doesn't stop anything when you consider all things political.
People play very well into this category for many reasons such as they have faith in the bible so the most common thing would be to vote republican due to it being the party of life yet they kill just as much as the other side.
So The large point you missed was governments should not be trusted cause otherwise you would never have to worry about being screwed.
I do say good for the EU on this issue but the only thing I have learned is none of the governments have been better than the next no matter what side you support. So is that more clear! | |
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join:2008-04-28
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kudos:2 | Canadian Government Take note Hopefully ours will too. | |
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| | | Re: Canadian Government Take note If our opposition parties had a clue, they'd use this against harper et al... | |
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| | | yea especially wiht teh ebpublicans introducing a bill to remove themselves form NAFTA
if they cant keep in one treaty and keep there word ( akak softwood lumber disputes )
WHO and what nation on earth can trust them
SERIOUSLY any american want to justify why Canada would sign ACTA if your threatening us with leaving NAFTA.
OK
auto pact version 2 sell cars here build them here and this time you cant sell back to the USA.
double the prices of our lumber you need to build homes. SURE it will give you jobs now until you deforest yourselves and then come running back for our lumber.
YOU want raw minerals and oil DOUBLE NOW for you
heck if an Egyptian pays 30cents a litre why aren't we charging Americans enough that our people get that price.....
and remember harper = equiv to republican and he brought you the bill c61 that literally looks a lot like what ACTA would have become.
and don't forget the liberals too they wanted a copyright bill too. if these two parties dont get it , that this issue is harming them now, they deserve to be ousted completely and need to merge to survive as they did in Saskatchewan. | |
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| | | | Re: Canadian Government Take note Don't forget, Canada is the largest supplier of foreign oil to the U.S. we could really screw them. But to be honest they would probably just invade the country, not that that's a bad thing in my eyes. | |
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| | | | | Re: Canadian Government Take note said by stvejbsliver :
Don't forget, Canada is the largest supplier of foreign oil to the U.S. we could really screw them. But to be honest they would probably just invade the country, not that that's a bad thing in my eyes.
not gonna happen
if they can haardly control iraq and afganistan and got whoope din vietnam
THINK aobut canada with ten times per capita teh number of REAL NICE guns
not some rusting old 60's ak-47
and hten the fact we have some serious terrain and friends around the world, AINT GONNA HAPPEN EVER.
the second the americans did tha it might spark a real world war against them. | |
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join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | I'm crying... ...tears of happiness for the sudden outbreak of common sense... | |
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|  camaro92Question everythingPremium
join:2008-04-05
Westfield, MA | Re: I'm crying... That was exactly my thought too, holy shit there is common sense somewhere in the world. | |
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kudos:5 | said by BBBanditRuR:An unlucky 13 to be singled out as pro ACTA 1.9% -- almost a margin of error (e.g. hanging chads, I thought Yes meant No, etc..)
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join:2000-11-17
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Isn't there some sort of mercy rule like in softball? | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | I guess a more important question is... Since they all know that it was obviously hashed out in secret behind closed doors...
The more important question would be who were the ones who voted in favor of it???
then you will know who's getting bribed. | |
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join:2002-04-15
Tacoma, WA | Re: I guess a more important question is... Yup, mostly members of two parties (UKIP and Partij voor de Vrijheid) were voting in support of ACTA. Then Netherlands MEP's (Partij voor de Vrijheid) changed their votes against ACTA probably due to fear of being singled out. So final count of MEP's in support of ACTA was 10.
Here is the "shame" list:
Nigel Farage (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Marta Andreasen (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Stuart Agnew (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Gerard Batten (United Kingdom, UKIP)
John Bufton (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Trevor Colman (United Kingdom, UKIP)
The Earl of Dartmouth (United Kingdom, UKIP)
South West Region (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Mike Nattrass (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Paul Nuttall (United Kingdom, UKIP)
Nicole Sinclaire (United Kingdom, UKIP)
MEP's representing Netherlands who changed their vote:
Louis Bontes (Netherlands, Partij voor de Vrijheid)
Laurence J.A.J. Stassen (Netherlands, Partij voor de Vrijheid)
Daniel van der Stoep (Netherlands, Partij voor de Vrijheid) | |
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| | | | Re: I guess a more important question is... I don't know what the UKIP party stands for (other than what wikipedia says). The quote 'the development of the party into broadly standing for traditional conservative and libertarian values'. SUGGESTS it lines of better with the republicans and libertarians of the US. I don't put much weight into the suggestion as libertarians want a much smaller government and to stay out of the private sector, which I don't see being pro-ACTA one of their things. Similar for the republicans, but not as strong IMO.
I probably shouldn't try guessing anything from the UKIP on who whould support ACTA in the US. I just hope that: 1) ACTA dies and 2) the politicians work in the best interest of the general population and not a select portion of the population. | |
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| | | | | Re: I guess a more important question is... said by cornelius785:I don't know what the UKIP party stands for (other than what wikipedia says). The quote 'the development of the party into broadly standing for traditional conservative and libertarian values'. SUGGESTS it lines of better with the republicans and libertarians of the US. I don't put much weight into the suggestion as libertarians want a much smaller government and to stay out of the private sector, which I don't see being pro-ACTA one of their things. Similar for the republicans, but not as strong IMO. UKIP stands for the "UK Independence Party" - basically they want the UK out of the European Union as they feel it is getting too powerful (I can sort of agree with that). I think they want us in the same position as Switzerland and Norway - working very closely with the EU, but not "in" it.
They disagree with the huge subsidies we give it, how it is slightly undemocratic (the latest Treaty, which expands the EU's powers, was only given a referendum in one country, because that country was forced to by its constitution), and the control that France and Germany hold over it.
As for the post you quoted, I am not sure why he listed "South West England" as a person. That is a constituency (mine, actually - I didn't vote UKIP though) that several people represent. It should also be said that MEPs (Member of the European Parliament) get paid very handsomely for their jobs. So these people who hate the EU, get a lot of money from it. Hmm.
I have to say I was considering voting UKIP as a viable fourth party, but if they support ACTA I don't think I will. | |
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| | yea thats teh next question what democraticly elected person of this 13 would vote to favor ACTA.
people in htose nations should be consider this:
THESE officals tha voted in favor do not care about the people that elected them, nor the office they represent nor there country.
In such grand matters that have far reaching affects as these it woudl be wise and just fo rthe citizens of each nation to make up there minds as to how culture and art are desseminated.
WHEN things are done in secret against your will without you having a say that is akin to facism , and mirrors dictatorship.
Was it that long ago we faught nazis to free us form this kind of behavior? Was it that long ago that the USA was part of the solution to freedom. WHAT happened was corporations, they have taken capitalism to such an extreme is now starting to show how bad that is.
I was taught in school that true communism and true capitalism both as forms of gov'ts can not survive and that a mixed economy somewhere int the middle is the only way.
This attempt at foraging an empire world wide on IP will fail.
Imagine that some kids downloading music tunes against the billion dollar yacht building suits are gaining.
as jeremy allison can tell you not everyone can be bribed ( he was offered 50million USD for his work and rights to SAMBA for linux)
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join:2006-10-19
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kudos:1 | Good for the EU This is a huge loss for ACTA.
Take note US nubs. | |
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|  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
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kudos:4 | Re: Good for the EU said by DrModem:This is a huge loss for ACTA. It isn't over until the fat lady sings. All the power in the EU is with the EC and the individual countries and NOT with the EU Parliament. So, if I were you, I wouldn't be dancing in the aisles just yet. Look at France which has already implemented the crux of what is in the ACTA already. They didn't care one whit about what the EU Parliament thought. | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: Good for the EU said by ThrowDemsOut:said by DrModem:This is a huge loss for ACTA. It isn't over until the fat lady sings. All the power in the EU is with the EC and the individual countries and NOT with the EU Parliament. That's true but the overwhelming vote against ACTA is certainly a strong message to democratically elected officials in those individual countries. There is no way you can have legislation such as ACTA negotiated in secret and still have democracy and freedom. | |
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| | | | said by ThrowDemsOut:said by DrModem:This is a huge loss for ACTA. It isn't over until the fat lady sings. All the power in the EU is with the EC and the individual countries and NOT with the EU Parliament. So, if I were you, I wouldn't be dancing in the aisles just yet. Look at France which has already implemented the crux of what is in the ACTA already. They didn't care one whit about what the EU Parliament thought. Umm... the EU Parliament will ultimately have to ratify the treaty if it is to be passed. Seeing as how they're threatening to auto-veto if it isn't at least brought to light, the ACTA is in trouble. | |
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| | | | said by ThrowDemsOut:said by DrModem:This is a huge loss for ACTA. It isn't over until the fat lady sings. All the power in the EU is with the EC and the individual countries and NOT with the EU Parliament. So, if I were you, I wouldn't be dancing in the aisles just yet. Look at France which has already implemented the crux of what is in the ACTA already. They didn't care one whit about what the EU Parliament thought. and yet a study since the law was enacted at beginning of year is showing that in fact piracy is growing there.
YUP france now knows its not going to work too.
one thing to make jeans that look like levis and sell them entirely different to justify all the pain and suffering on a peep downloading music who isn't making any money off it. | |
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join:2002-09-10
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| This will not go away Color me realist, but this will not go away, the scumbags will keep harassing / lobbying until the bill gets pushed through.
How long have RIAA and other lobbying groups been trying to get Canada to change our copyright legislation? Is it going on five years now?
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YOU forget that aspect, and the fact that todays youth thats fighting this will have kids and all hte media attention does is advertise there is some way to get it all..... and so on. LONGER we last longer it will be before it can happen. AKA they cannot win.
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join:2002-09-10
canada | Re: This will not go away It's not the people that I'm worried about, but the politicians who cannot see past their snouts. | |
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join:2000-01-17
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