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ACTA Finally Released
Only after leaks exposed secret treaty anyway
by Karl Bode Wednesday 21-Apr-2010 tags: legal · business
The entertainment industry's efforts to impose U.S.-style DMCA copyright law on the globe (and push ISPs toward being network content nannies) is dubbed the ACTA (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement). As we've previously discussed, the ACTA was constructed largely in secret in negotiations between the entertainment industry and world governments -- and drastically changes safe harbor protections for ISPs by strongly suggesting they boot P2P users from their networks if they'd like to remain safely in said harbor.

While the entertainment industry and the Office Of The U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) did their best to keep the full agreement out of the eyes of the public (therefore avoiding any pesky debate), most of the agreement recently wound up leaking out anyway. Now that the agreement is largely finished and leaked, the USTR last Friday disingenuously announced it was finally time to release a full copy in order to "help the process of reaching a final agreement."

This morning the full agreement (pdf) was released. Lawyers and others specifically focused on the copyright debate will of course spend much of the day poring over the 39-page document, though it shouldn't include anything most of them hadn't already seen in leaked versions. We're of course most interested in section 4 (page 18), which discusses the ISPs' new mandated role in copyright enforcement.

Previous leaks of the agreements didn't explicitly mandate carriers employ "three strikes" (booting copyright offenders off the network after three violations) rules --they simply highlighted graduated response as the only real example for ISPs to embrace if they wanted to be protected from legal liability. That three strikes language appears to be gone from this latest version, though ISP legal liability in the agreement is still contingent on ISPs having some kind of "takedown" process (as in, the forwarding of DMCA violation letters) in place.

The agreement also requires that copyright holders be able to "expeditiously obtain from that provider information on the identity of the relevant subscriber" while requiring that countries "promote the development of mutually supportive relationships between online service providers and right holders." Not coincidentally, several of the biggest ISPs (most recently Qwest and Verizon, but also Cox) are already voluntarily threatening users with account termination if they don't stop downloading copyrighted TV episodes and films -- though we've found in several instances the actual threat of disconnection is a bluff.

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Time for the News Outlets to Cover it Properly

Now the Collective News Media is going to give this full and meaningful coverage; with the aim of informing folks on how this will actually affect their lives.

Stop laughing.

I'm sure the conflict of interest between Big News and Big Entertainment won't impact coverage of this at all.

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said by Noah Vail:

Stop laughing.
I am incapable after reading that.
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said by FBGuy:

said by Noah Vail:

Stop laughing.
I am incapable after reading that.
That is about as difficult for me as it is for an ISP to hunt all their pirates.
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said by Selenia:

said by FBGuy:

said by Noah Vail:

Stop laughing.
I am incapable after reading that.
That is about as difficult for me as it is for an ISP to hunt all their pirates.
Indeed. I had a good chuckle myself.
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Re: Time for the News Outlets to Cover it Properly

Yeah, I remember a while back when people on this site used to immediately shout "Conspiracy Theorist!" at me when I mentioned this type of stuff.

I guess there is much due credit to the whistle blowers who warned about the ACTA agreement ahead of time.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory...
but something like this needs to be called what it REALLY is...

A plan behind the scenes...
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It never has been mentioned in the News.Unless of course you are on a site like this one.

the entertainment industry's efforts to impose U.S.-style DMCA copyright law on the globe as well as their other bullshit should show folks it is time for us all to band together and say frak you.
Stop supporting this industry and boycott them.Buy used stuff instead of new.hit that industry in the wallet and they will notice you.

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said by Noah Vail:

Now the Collective News Media is going to give this full and meaningful coverage; with the aim of informing folks on how this will actually affect their lives.
I'm sure the conflict of interest between Big News and Big Entertainment won't impact coverage of this at all.
The pundits are starting to weigh in on the release:
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···737.html
Technology companies and public interest groups are warning that an international trade agreement being drafted could expose Internet access providers, Web search engines and other online businesses to damaging legal risks.
»www.itnews.com.au/News/172738,eu···lan.aspx
»www.securingpharma.com/40/articles/450.php
»blogs.ft.com/techblog/2010/04/dr···-feared/
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P2P is on the outs?

So Usenet will be the new thing... So the internet will evolve and nothing will really happen.

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Don't discount P2P too fast. There ought to be many anonymous encrypted proxying services popping up in countries that don't take part in this. Many these days are primitive, but I can see development being prompted in this area, due to ACTA. Some won't even bother. Remember the 3 strikes law in France? I remember still seeing oodles of French IP addresses in my peer list while I was still filesharing. These days, I have actually found alternatives(some obvious, some not).
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said by Selenia:

Don't discount P2P too fast. There ought to be many anonymous encrypted proxying services popping up in countries that don't take part in this. Many these days are primitive, but I can see development being prompted in this area, due to ACTA.
I think a lot of folks have been predicting this all along; yourself and myself included.

Pirates will go on, and ordinary folks will have to suffer DRM-like restrictions just to surf the web.

I could slide into some paranoid delusions here, but once the "new framework" is established; ways to "get around it" will follow suit.

I used to think that blanket licensing was dumb idea, because there was a chance that it would preserve the content dinosaurs but now I think that if blanket licensing puts this to bed that we should all go for it, just so that we don't have to be subjected to the decendants of ACTA.
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Personally it's a joke. Why should any other company, individual or corporation for that matter have to do the job the entertainment and music industries should have to do themselves?

It's like McDonald's makes the hamburger but the toilet manufacturing industry is liable for how people poop it out. It's like GM manufacturing cars but the people who put the air in the tires of the car are liable for damages and injuries that car may cause someone else.

And both industries wonder why no one wants to buy music or go to the movies anymore. I'd personally like to see both industries die a horrible death and all the companies involved go away. People can make a movie in their own home and a person can make music without Sony BMG. So long as the industry runs itself in this secret police fashion I will steal every damn thing I can get my hands on. Everyone else should do the same.

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its like the GUN industry is liable for murders OH WAIT people want that too i hate this world some times

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megarock See Profile, The first part of your post is very well said. That is why I hate the entertainment industry. They have made our government personal lapdogs where a private entity calls the shots. Corruption at its finest. However, why the hell do you want to help the entertainment(and to a lesser extent, software) industry with their claims about piracy=lost sale by encouraging everyone to pirate? You do know you are raising a products perceived value by saying it's valuable enough to pirate, but you don't want to pay for it or use free alternatives. Many up and coming artists offer music for free, and it's often not mass produced fake crap. Free Open Source software(FOSS) is great and has mostly replaced my commercial software. What little remains(like some games) runs within a FOSS environment. I used to be a pirate, but have since seen the fallacy in my ways and what really needs to be done, if you want to do your part in hurting these idiots. As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that.
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said by Selenia:

As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that.
they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases

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Why does everyone need the newest rubbish they have to offer? If it's good, I don't think 4 months makes it any less good. That policy is actually among the more fair, among the idiotic ones they have concocted in the past. They get a grace period to sell their own product, then everyone else gets to have at it. At least it doesn't kill the user experience like DRM and copy protection in so many things.
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sooo its OK for them block netflix and redboox but not Blockbuster or Hollywood Video?
oh wait the latter two are slowly going under thats why and pay MUCH higher rates to the MPAA then netflix or redbox do

and yes its to "prevent lost sales" they want you go by the DVD instead of rent it

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said by elios:

said by Selenia:

As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that.
they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases
But you can get the same moives ON ppv and VOD some time even before DVD.

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again its the entertainment industry if you can call it that circle jerk the VoD services are owned in the most part by the same people that own the movie and cost more most of the time then renting the dvd redbox is a 1 dollar a day

netflix also doesnt have any thing new on VoD till much later 5+ months at best

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said by castsucks :

said by elios:

said by Selenia:

As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that.
they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases
But you can get the same moives ON ppv and VOD some time even before DVD.
Excellent point. I have HD PPV here, but forgot to mention that option. I do find Netfllix more economical, though(and more fairly priced, considering half of what I see is not that great). @ elios See Profile, how is that any different than having authorized dealers for X product brand that tend to get the latest from that manufacturer first? I am sure negotiations of various sorts are necessary to be such an authorized dealer. I don't see anyone crying foul there. How is this 4 month delay really that different?
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becouse they wont LET redbox join the club
the point of it was to keep redbox from eating up day one sales
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"Authorized Dealers" are a way to protect resellers by reducing competition and keeping prices higher.

It goes right along with the MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) that those authorized dealers are allowed to advertise the product at. Again it is to keep the prices higher to protect the resellers profits and to attempt to inject perceived quality in a product.

Since we consumers are idiots, we think Monster Cables and Bose speakers are better because they are ridiculously priced more than equally as good equivalent products that are much less. Thus the company that makes the products do not have to charge less or offer discounts to resellers who also get to continue charging a higher price. In the end, it makes everyone more money by taking more from the consumer.

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said by elios:

said by Selenia:

As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that.
they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases
Meanwhile, Pirates tend to enjoy their stuff days, sometimes weeks (or hell, even months) before it comes out for legitimate buyers.

All this does is hurt legitimate buyers. I'll even go to the gaming industry - and no, this is not one of the usual Call of Duty rants. I was honestly intent on buying both Splinter Cell: Conviction and Assassin's Creed for the PC as I thought Ubisoft was on the turn around with Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. and EndWar from their previous terrible ports from the consoles to the PC (Perfect example being both Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas and Vegas 2 - both of which even still have the 360 and PS3 files in the install directory). Then came the ultimate form of DRM, which was, of course, expeditiously cracked. Once again, the consumers felt the wrath while Pirates raised the Jolly Roger and sailed free. I'll honestly choose to not play it. I wouldn't even pirate it. It's not worth it to give credence to a company which apparently hates consumers.

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said by PapaMidnight:

I'll honestly choose to not play it. I wouldn't even pirate it. It's not worth it to give credence to a company which apparently hates consumers.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! You can find probably much better games from a company that values its legit customers and don't impose silliness like DRM. There's your chance to reward good business practices and punish bad ones. This is what I have been trying to get across.
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RUSE looked great loved the betas to bad the DRM will keep be from buying maybe if they patch it out ill think about it
but Ubisoft is going to learn the hardway that PC gamers know more about DRM the most people and there sales will show it

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I too lost all interest in the Assassin's Creed games when I heard about the bullshit Ubisoft was pulling with Assassin's Creed 2. I was thinking of actually trying out both games until then. I might have even bought them. I do buy the stuff I like.

I've also been known to buy a game just because it has little or no DRM. But now, due to the egregiousness of their new DRM, Ubisoft as a whole is on my blacklist. Hell, it's beyond blacklisted, considering I won't even bother pirating their games.
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Where did you get 4 months from? The agreements I've heard about (Netflix, anyway) said 28 days from the date of release. And the concessions they got over this (reduced purchase price for DVDs, more streaming titles) more than make up for it in my book.
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said by megarock:

People can make a movie in their own home and a person can make music without Sony BMG.
Yes. But who would watch it or listen to it. 99% of what is on YouTube is unadulterated garbage no one would ever pay a nickel for. The only stuff worth watching is the stuff put there both legally & illegally from the professional artists.
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said by Romney2012:

Yes. But who would watch it or listen to it. 99% of what is on YouTube is unadulterated garbage no one would ever pay a nickel for.
That's a pretty subjective judgement considering most copyrighted material falls under the same category.

said by Romney2012:

The only stuff worth watching is the stuff put there both legally & illegally from the professional artists.
Says whom? You?

The value of an "artistic product" is experienced only by the person consuming the art. I attach a value of less than $0 dollars to Hannah Montana's music. (You couldn't pay me to listen to it)

However I thouroughly enjoy music by the ECC, Negativland's OTE, the WFMU blog and Jamendo, which are all available for free or at nominal cost.

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Had to jump in with a Negativland +1. They rule!!

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They're awsome... I got into them in my late 20's it felt like discovering punk rock in my teens all over again.
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Similar story here. I was prowling the radio late one night looking for something to listen to I actually WANTED to listen to and I came across a college station playing Points. Man, this was AWESOME!! I grabbed a blank tape (yes, this was back in the '80's) and started recording, then went out the next day and began buying. Loved 'em madly ever since.

Did you ever get a chance to see them perform live? One of the best shows I've ever seen. And they invited the audience to bring any recording devices they wanted and record the show.

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Unfortunately our country is run by corporatist. Our Government will try make a third party responsible for enforcing laws when they can get away with it.

Remember this sort of bologna is nothing new. Businesses are responsible for withholding Federal and State Payroll and Income Taxes from employees. Banks are responsible for reporting the interest income and activities of their depositors if a depositors activities fall outside of a certain range. The laws related to these issues require judicial review before a citizen can be prosecuted.

It looks like the copyright owners want laws passed to make the ISP's operate like vigilantes without judicial review or supervision.

Typically anyone accused of a crime by a utility company the accused is considered to be guilty until they prove themselves innocent.

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This is much bigger than movies and music..

Think about it. This is not just movies and music, it's EVERYTHING. Anything we possibly download could possibly be flagged for "Infringing Content".

It's because of this that the internet will become an extremely paranoid place. You'll wonder, "Should I download this?" since the author could shift from being freeware to paid, therefore the license would change and it'd be considered piracy.

I think you'll be seeing an underground internet soon enough filled with encrypted tunnels, proxies, VPNs, and super secret fiber lines. Welcome to the new prohibition.
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Re: This is much bigger than movies and music..

back to IRC and private encrypted FTPs and usenet
id be proud to be a new gen of "gin runner" if that happend

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said by Simba7:

Think about it. This is not just movies and music, it's EVERYTHING. Anything we possibly download could possibly be flagged for "Infringing Content".

It's because of this that the internet will become an extremely paranoid place. You'll wonder, "Should I download this?" since the author could shift from being freeware to paid, therefore the license would change and it'd be considered piracy.

I think you'll be seeing an underground internet soon enough filled with encrypted tunnels, proxies, VPNs, and super secret fiber lines. Welcome to the new prohibition.
You are only bound by the EULA attached to the version of the software you are using. In most cases, you can refuse to update.
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More copyright bologna.

Once a program is broadcast it should be placed in a different class under copyright law. Sharing such a program should not be illegal since it was already viewed and has much less value after it is shown.

The copyright owners have always been psychotic about any use of their production without their permission. By the mid 70's they were going wacko about home recording. They spent years trying to convince lawmakers to pass laws requiring manufactures of home music recorders to incorporate the copyright owners schemes to prevent home taping. The copyright owners finally convinced lawmakers to pass a parasitic law by providing generous campaign contributions. The law required cassette manufactures to pay a fee to copyright owners for cassettes that were capable of High Fidelity recording even if the cassettes were never used for recording copyrighted material.

When consumer compact disc recorders became available, the copyright owners paid off lawmakers to pass a law to limit a consumer's ability to copy any compact disc. All consumer music CD recorders were required to be rigged to only record on blank (Music) CD's for which a royalty had been paid to copyright owners. The scheme also prevented consumers from making a copy of a copied CD (SCMS) even if the material on the original was not copyrighted.

It is my opinion that the copyright owners represented by the (RIAA and MPAA) want to do to the broadband industry what they did to the consumer electronics industry. They want to use the ISP's as fee collectors to charge all broadband customers a monthly fee for downloading music, to line their pockets, even if the customer never downloads copyrighted material. Copyright owners must come up with business models that will give an incentive to consumers to pay for the copyright owners product rather than continuing to browbeat consumers.

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Re: More copyright bologna.

100x this time and location shifting should be legal
how i do it shouldnt matter if its broadcast tv or cable(if i pay for cable and get that channel)

torrents are the new VHS and they learned from last time
make the laws be for some it shows up in court

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said by Oregonian:

Just let them try to find me...BWAAHAHA!

Oh, wait, someone's at the door. I'll be right back to finish this...
If you are using an ISP under your own account(and not a neighbor's open AP) they will find you - eventually.
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That's it time to grab the pitchforks and a torch

This whole treaty has abuse written all over it,go ahead and try to cut my cord with just ip's as proof of infringement.

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