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| Time for the News Outlets to Cover it Properly Now the Collective News Media is going to give this full and meaningful coverage; with the aim of informing folks on how this will actually affect their lives.
Stop laughing.
I'm sure the conflict of interest between Big News and Big Entertainment won't impact coverage of this at all.
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Time for the News Outlets to Cover it Properly said by Selenia:said by FBGuy:I am incapable after reading that. That is about as difficult for me as it is for an ISP to hunt all their pirates. Indeed. I had a good chuckle myself. | |
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 |  |  |  |  Pv8man join:2008-07-24 Hammond, IN | Re: Time for the News Outlets to Cover it Properly Yeah, I remember a while back when people on this site used to immediately shout "Conspiracy Theorist!" at me when I mentioned this type of stuff.
I guess there is much due credit to the whistle blowers who warned about the ACTA agreement ahead of time.
Not everything is a conspiracy theory... but something like this needs to be called what it REALLY is...
A plan behind the scenes... | |
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the entertainment industry's efforts to impose U.S.-style DMCA copyright law on the globe as well as their other bullshit should show folks it is time for us all to band together and say frak you. Stop supporting this industry and boycott them.Buy used stuff instead of new.hit that industry in the wallet and they will notice you. | |
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 | | P2P is on the outs? So Usenet will be the new thing... So the internet will evolve and nothing will really happen. | |
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 |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | Re: . its like the GUN industry is liable for murders OH WAIT people want that too i hate this world some times | |
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 |  |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | Re: . said by Selenia: As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that. they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases | |
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 |  |  |  |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | Re: . sooo its OK for them block netflix and redboox but not Blockbuster or Hollywood Video? oh wait the latter two are slowly going under thats why and pay MUCH higher rates to the MPAA then netflix or redbox do
and yes its to "prevent lost sales" they want you go by the DVD instead of rent it | |
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 |  |  |  | | said by elios:said by Selenia: As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that. they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases But you can get the same moives ON ppv and VOD some time even before DVD. | |
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 |  |  |  |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO 1 edit | Re: . again its the entertainment industry if you can call it that circle jerk the VoD services are owned in the most part by the same people that own the movie and cost more most of the time then renting the dvd redbox is a 1 dollar a day
netflix also doesnt have any thing new on VoD till much later 5+ months at best | |
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| said by castsucks :said by elios:said by Selenia: As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that. they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases But you can get the same moives ON ppv and VOD some time even before DVD. Excellent point. I have HD PPV here, but forgot to mention that option. I do find Netfllix more economical, though(and more fairly priced, considering half of what I see is not that great). @ elios , how is that any different than having authorized dealers for X product brand that tend to get the latest from that manufacturer first? I am sure negotiations of various sorts are necessary to be such an authorized dealer. I don't see anyone crying foul there. How is this 4 month delay really that different? -- The new Sony rootkit-Using the ability to remove features you paid for. What's next? Boycott Sony products »[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | Re: . becouse they wont LET redbox join the club the point of it was to keep redbox from eating up day one sales | |
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It goes right along with the MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) that those authorized dealers are allowed to advertise the product at. Again it is to keep the prices higher to protect the resellers profits and to attempt to inject perceived quality in a product.
Since we consumers are idiots, we think Monster Cables and Bose speakers are better because they are ridiculously priced more than equally as good equivalent products that are much less. Thus the company that makes the products do not have to charge less or offer discounts to resellers who also get to continue charging a higher price. In the end, it makes everyone more money by taking more from the consumer. | |
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 |  |  |  | | said by elios:said by Selenia: As to movies, you could use Netflix. What are they gonna say? A rental=a lost sale? Think about it. These guys would have no case if they were dealt with properly. Even a bought politician can't deny that. they already do that look at at the cockblocking of redbox and netflix now they have to wait 4 months to get new releases Meanwhile, Pirates tend to enjoy their stuff days, sometimes weeks (or hell, even months) before it comes out for legitimate buyers.
All this does is hurt legitimate buyers. I'll even go to the gaming industry - and no, this is not one of the usual Call of Duty rants. I was honestly intent on buying both Splinter Cell: Conviction and Assassin's Creed for the PC as I thought Ubisoft was on the turn around with Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. and EndWar from their previous terrible ports from the consoles to the PC (Perfect example being both Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas and Vegas 2 - both of which even still have the 360 and PS3 files in the install directory). Then came the ultimate form of DRM, which was, of course, expeditiously cracked. Once again, the consumers felt the wrath while Pirates raised the Jolly Roger and sailed free. I'll honestly choose to not play it. I wouldn't even pirate it. It's not worth it to give credence to a company which apparently hates consumers. | |
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| Re: . said by PapaMidnight:I'll honestly choose to not play it. I wouldn't even pirate it. It's not worth it to give credence to a company which apparently hates consumers. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! You can find probably much better games from a company that values its legit customers and don't impose silliness like DRM. There's your chance to reward good business practices and punish bad ones. This is what I have been trying to get across. -- The new Sony rootkit-Using the ability to remove features you paid for. What's next? Boycott Sony products »[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux | |
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 |  |  |  |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO | RUSE looked great loved the betas to bad the DRM will keep be from buying maybe if they patch it out ill think about it but Ubisoft is going to learn the hardway that PC gamers know more about DRM the most people and there sales will show it | |
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| I too lost all interest in the Assassin's Creed games when I heard about the bullshit Ubisoft was pulling with Assassin's Creed 2. I was thinking of actually trying out both games until then. I might have even bought them. I do buy the stuff I like.
I've also been known to buy a game just because it has little or no DRM. But now, due to the egregiousness of their new DRM, Ubisoft as a whole is on my blacklist. Hell, it's beyond blacklisted, considering I won't even bother pirating their games. -- So I'm pretty much disappointed with both political parties. Yeah. | |
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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | said by megarock: People can make a movie in their own home and a person can make music without Sony BMG. Yes. But who would watch it or listen to it. 99% of what is on YouTube is unadulterated garbage no one would ever pay a nickel for. The only stuff worth watching is the stuff put there both legally & illegally from the professional artists. -- Are you happy with your rep in Washington, DC? | |
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| Re: . said by Romney2012:Yes. But who would watch it or listen to it. 99% of what is on YouTube is unadulterated garbage no one would ever pay a nickel for. That's a pretty subjective judgement considering most copyrighted material falls under the same category.
said by Romney2012:The only stuff worth watching is the stuff put there both legally & illegally from the professional artists. Says whom? You?
The value of an "artistic product" is experienced only by the person consuming the art. I attach a value of less than $0 dollars to Hannah Montana's music. (You couldn't pay me to listen to it)
However I thouroughly enjoy music by the ECC, Negativland's OTE, the WFMU blog and Jamendo, which are all available for free or at nominal cost.
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 |  |  |  |  |  DesdinovaPremium join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Re: . Similar story here. I was prowling the radio late one night looking for something to listen to I actually WANTED to listen to and I came across a college station playing Points. Man, this was AWESOME!! I grabbed a blank tape (yes, this was back in the '80's) and started recording, then went out the next day and began buying. Loved 'em madly ever since.
Did you ever get a chance to see them perform live? One of the best shows I've ever seen. And they invited the audience to bring any recording devices they wanted and record the show. | |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | This is much bigger than movies and music.. Think about it. This is not just movies and music, it's EVERYTHING. Anything we possibly download could possibly be flagged for "Infringing Content".
It's because of this that the internet will become an extremely paranoid place. You'll wonder, "Should I download this?" since the author could shift from being freeware to paid, therefore the license would change and it'd be considered piracy.
I think you'll be seeing an underground internet soon enough filled with encrypted tunnels, proxies, VPNs, and super secret fiber lines. Welcome to the new prohibition. -- Bresnan 15M/1M MyWS[P4HT@3.2GHz,2GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7] WifeWS[P4HT@3GHz,2GB RAM,60GB HDD,Win7] Router[2xP3@1GHz,512MB RAM,18GB HDD,SMC 8432BTA,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,Intel Pro/1000MT,IBM Gigabit Ethernet-SX,Allied Telesyn AT-2560FX,Gentoo Linux] | |
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 |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO 1 edit | Re: This is much bigger than movies and music.. back to IRC and private encrypted FTPs and usenet id be proud to be a new gen of "gin runner" if that happend | |
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| said by Simba7:Think about it. This is not just movies and music, it's EVERYTHING. Anything we possibly download could possibly be flagged for "Infringing Content". It's because of this that the internet will become an extremely paranoid place. You'll wonder, "Should I download this?" since the author could shift from being freeware to paid, therefore the license would change and it'd be considered piracy. I think you'll be seeing an underground internet soon enough filled with encrypted tunnels, proxies, VPNs, and super secret fiber lines. Welcome to the new prohibition. You are only bound by the EULA attached to the version of the software you are using. In most cases, you can refuse to update. -- The new Sony rootkit-Using the ability to remove features you paid for. What's next? Boycott Sony products »[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux | |
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 |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | It does have a "chilling effect", no? | |
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 |  elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO 1 edit | Re: More copyright bologna. 100x this time and location shifting should be legal how i do it shouldnt matter if its broadcast tv or cable(if i pay for cable and get that channel)
torrents are the new VHS and they learned from last time make the laws be for some it shows up in court | |
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 | | You Have To Catch Me First Just let them try to find me...BWAAHAHA!
Oh, wait, someone's at the door. I'll be right back to finish this... | |
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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | Re: You Have To Catch Me First said by Oregonian:Just let them try to find me...BWAAHAHA! Oh, wait, someone's at the door. I'll be right back to finish this... If you are using an ISP under your own account(and not a neighbor's open AP) they will find you - eventually. -- Are you happy with your rep in Washington, DC? | |
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium join:2008-04-05 Westfield, MA | That's it time to grab the pitchforks and a torch This whole treaty has abuse written all over it,go ahead and try to cut my cord with just ip's as proof of infringement. | |
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