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AMC Aims New Campaign at Dish
Consumers Once Again In Middle of Dispute
AMC has fired up a new web, Facebook and ad campaign aimed at preventing Dish from dropping the channel, which is home to a growing number of popular shows like "Mad Men," "Breaking Bad," and "The Walking Dead." Dish recently announced that the company wouldn't be renewing their contract with AMC, and that starting in June AMC -- and AMC-owned channels WeTV, IFC and Sundance -- will be pulled from the Dish lineup. To hear Dish boss Charlie Ergen tell it, Dish is dropping the channels because the broadcasters "devalued" their content by signing streaming distribution deals with the likes of Netflix and Amazon. To hear AMC tell it, Dish is simply being vengeful because of a long standing legal dispute with AMC over the 2008 dropping of VOOM HD.
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pnh102
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Screw Them

How many times do people keep getting played for suckers in these "disputes." This is just the latest dog-and-pony lover's spat designed to make it more acceptable to raise rates in the end.

Teach all of these companies a real lesson and drop the service instead. Then you win.
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Re: Screw Them

I personally love the term "Devalued" due to netflix when in reality both parties in this case need to see that content is not losing value, services like Netflix, Amazon and iTunes are simply showing customers the desired market value.

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Re: Screw Them

Screw the content providers (Rainbow, et al). Have the carriers draw the line in the sand against content extortion.
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Re: Screw Them

Not to mention, why should I be forced to pay close to $15 towards sports channels that I do not watch. ESPN is the most expensive channel for a cable company yet I never watch it. I'm not interested in subsidizing athletes 20 million dollar paychecks.

pnh102
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said by UmmaGumma:

Screw the content providers (Rainbow, et al). Have the carriers draw the line in the sand against content extortion.

Why would the carriers care? As long as customers pay the higher bills they have no incentive to negotiate for lower rates.

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Doesnt dish have blockbuster, a competitor to amazon and netflix.

spin
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ding ding ding, we have a winner
Terabit
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When I lived overseas, I loved how I could pick and choose the packages I wanted for cable.

You had a base service, while the rest (like sports, movies, kids, etc) were sold in packages.

Pay-TV here is indeed a joke.
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Netflix usually does not stream current episodes. Waits unil the next year or awhile after DVDs have come out.
Amazon and Itunes I believe cost per episode depending on what it is so not exactly cheap.
If Dish can not compete with old Netflix streaming or expensive current Itunes and Amazon they have other issues.

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Due to streaming services and DVR's, these companies arent getting as much for advertising. I really dont understand why these disputes seem to shock people.

Its pretty simple logic actually. Then you have the jackasses who think "cutting the cord" is the answer to all problems. So everyone cut your cord, $200 / mo internet is waiting for you right around the corner. I'll stick to my FLAWLESS FiOS TV in 1080i , thank you.
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Re: Screw Them

It is jackasses that think when consumers start to speak with their wallets and desire to cut the cord that the content providers aren't going to make any needed adjustments at all to their business models.

People will pay their perceived value for a product and not a dime more. So they can try to charge $200 internet, but if the perceived value is not there, then they will only further shoot themselves in the foot just like the print newspapers did.

pnh102
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said by ITALIAN926:

Its pretty simple logic actually. Then you have the jackasses who think "cutting the cord" is the answer to all problems. So everyone cut your cord, $200 / mo internet is waiting for you right around the corner. I'll stick to my FLAWLESS FiOS TV in 1080i , thank you.

People are cutting the cord with cable over >$100 a month cable TV. While I agree Internet is more useful than Cable TV, there will be an upper limit as to what people will pay, simply because it is too expensive for them to buy. I would think if Internet was $200 a month, you'd see the same numbers of people simply saying "f-this it is too much money" and cutting the cord on that too.

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Re: Screw Them

Really now?. At this point, you are suggesting that people will be reverting back to the 1900's.

As incumbents revenues decrease to due to cord cutting, internet prices will go up. This is simple logic. There is no alternative here. Its already happening, its obvious in standalone internet prices.

As advertising companies pay less to channels, they will demand more from incumbents for carriage fee's. Again, this is simple logic.

As people download illegally, the prices for movie tickets and DVD's INCREASES. Somehow people on this site seem to believe that with copyright theft, prices should decrease. Where do these people live? The Twilight Zone? When stores are being hit by shoplifting, prices for clothing should decrease? WTF sense is that?

Everyone here loves to complain about these issues with no real solutions. There really isn't a solution. Keeping bitching about it but there is only one outcome to all of this:

Metered internet usage with shows and movies with adverting right smack in the middle of the show, while its playing. That's certainly not what I want, but this will be reality due to pirating and cord cutting. All these various industries employee a LOT of people.

Sometimes I think the goal of this website is suck billions upon billions of dollars out of these industries. Everyone wants shit for free, thats why these dilemmas exist.

pnh102
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said by ITALIAN926:

Really now?. At this point, you are suggesting that people will be reverting back to the 1900's.

And what else can you do? I'm not going to pay the equivalent of a car payment for Cable TV service. Period.

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Books and newspapers WILL LIVE on afterall ! Who wouldve thought....... ?

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I agree. The customer gets played like a pawn to put pressure on the TV provider to give them the fee that they are asking for. It always amazes me how many customers allows themselves to be played and start calling their TV provider and posting on the internet demanding that the provider reach an agreement or they will switch providers.

Don't they realize that when the content provider demands more money and the TV provider gives it to them, those costs get passed on the the customer in the form of higher fees? When will we learn?

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I side with the satelite/cable providers.

In 99% of the cases it is just a money grab attempt from the TV stations in question. They are "only wanting a fair market price" for their programming, while asking for an increase of 200% or something outrageous like that.

The only thing raising faster then gas prices are the prices TV stations are demanding from the carriers in recent years. 2007-2010 was a BAD period for TV advertising, and they are now coming up with ways to offset the losses from the recession.

In the end, it is US, the customers of carriers that are going to foot the bill. DirecTV dropped G4 and Versus for the same reason, although Versus has been back on for a while now. G4 is gone. If they start asking outrageous prices, dump them.

As others have said: Most shows are available through services like Hulu, Netflix, etc. Sure, you don't get it the same day or even the same week.... but I'm not the kind of person that has to discuss what happened on a TV show the next day at work, I'll watch at my own leisure.

I have DirecTV by the way.
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Re: I side with the satelite/cable providers.

Versus needed directv and was in big danger of falling under mini subs for some contracts leading to lots of free previews on other systems.

G4 killed it self and the channel went way down hill. (it only got on directv by taking over tech tv)
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...wow

these networks need to stop their crying for more cash, dish has dropped amc because of it, amc wants dish to raise prices, and now does a campaign..

screw amc seriously get over it, amc and others need to understand that people will only pay so much for tv anymore and its not gonna change

when suddenlink had to renew with amc, amc wanted so much suddenlink denied, i wouldnt care if they dropped them or not i dont watch cable tv even though still have it, internet tv is the future weather or not these networks want it or not

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Good for Dish

These companies bundle 1 decent channel with 5 no one watches and than wants to ream the distributor (like the cable MSOs, and satellite operators) for them.

It's about time these MSOs and dish companies say NO to the endless price hikes. Chuck should run ads showing the ratings of these channels and how many zillions AMC wants for them and what it would mean to subs bills.

If AMC wants their channels carried they can do a deal TOMORROW by lowering their asking price.
Joe12345678
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Re: Good for Dish

we need theme packs or at lest have sports / espn in there own packs.

firephoto
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To have 15 million potential viewing households or not

So AMC is having a fit because Dish doesn't want to pay AMC to be able to have their AMC channels viewed in about 15 million households. Crazy. If only the damn car salesman would pay ME to "buy" his car... the media companies do it so obviously there MUST be a way.

If AMC didn't have commercials like they used to back in the day and weren't showing the dumb "TV" edits then maybe someone might want to pay for their non-ad-supported content.

Double dippers need to whine less.
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Devalued?

Right. And DISH isn't devaluing their service by dropping even more channels. Why pay DISH hundreds per month, when I can pay Netflix tens per month. While AMC may be over valuing their channels to broadcasters, DISH is being foolish thinking this does nothing to their service.

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Wait a minute..."streaming distribution deals"

Does Dish have to pay a reboardcast fee if they stream a show over Dishonline from one of it's providers?
Dishonline is Hulu like [could be Huku with a Dishnetwork skin for all I know]

Sundance has been gone for a couple of weeks, AMC is still in the guide though.

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Brilliant!

Drop AMC. Make me torrent Walking Dead, which means I'm spending less time on Dish AND AMC. Just brilliant.
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Re: Brilliant!

And if everyone drops AMC, you won't have any shows to torrent.
Same with Netflix and Hulu. Where do people think they get these shows?
I'm not saying we should roll over for the blackmail the channels are trying, but if channels get dropped (or people say I won't pay cable, I will just Netflix, Hulu or worse torrent) they won't be around to provide content.

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Re: Brilliant!

Then maybe the AMC and studios will get the point and stop charging so much for 3 shows we want and just let us steam them for a reasonable price like netflix does...
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Yes and no. I'd torrent because they still play shenanigans with streaming. NetFlix, Hulu, HBOOnline, iTunes. They all still have stupid restrictions depending the show, times, availability, etc. You can see it here, 6 months later. You can see it there, only if you enter a comcast account #. See if over there if you have an online account and another subscription over there. It's the same crap as the Ultraviolet "digital copy" of Blue Ray crap.

I'll happily give them $ to make your shows. I like them. I want to watch them. Just stop jerking around and let me have it where I want, how I want, when I want.

Nothing is more user friendly than clicking the torrent button. THAT'S the problem. They're making it MORE difficult to get their content. Not easier.
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Bought after seeing on netflix

I bought several of there shows from Amazon after seeing them on Netflix, good chance that I would not have if it was not for Netflix streaming

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Remember when AMC stood for American Movie Classics?

...and they used to play classic american movies? ...and not stuff like "Mad Men", "The Killing", "Breaking Bad" and "CSI:Miami"?

Of course, I can't fault AMC too much because at least they have 'reasonable' stuff I can imagine having value, unlike TLC, The Learning Channel, which features such learning as "Cake Boss", "Extreme Couponing", "Spouse vs. House" and "19 Kids and Counting"...

I don't see any issue with AMC having this campaign, they want to protect their distribution chains, and this is a way to reach DISH customers. I also don't see a problem with DISH wanting to negotiate their contract based on lower prices available to other distribution chains. But the reality is that DISH probably needs AMC more than AMC needs DISH.

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This is nothing but that disgusting PoS Charlie Ergen...

...who was always a lying sack of shit, remember.
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No AMC, no biggy

I don't see why it's be such a big deal, or at least to me it isn't.. I usually watch my shows online an hour or two before they air on my DISH anyway.