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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: All i have to say is said by TK Junk Mail  :said by competence :ROFLMFAO! Skype is stupid for making a deal like that, but AMD shouldn't bother suing. How many over 5 conference calls are being made using Skype? Hardly worth fighting over. Well, I would think this makes AMD look like a lower tier product and while we know it's not, Intel and Skype by "saying" this, makes AMD look bad. I would have a problem with it as well if I was the top man at AMD. | |
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join:2003-08-20
South Lyon, MI
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| Re: All i have to say is Intel is just being stupid right now. Intel KNOWS there in an anti-trust suit already but they do something that is blatantly anti-competitive. Intel is screwed if they do benchmarks in court and they are found out to be slower than amd's fastest chip. It will be a PR disaster if that happens, and i hope AMD takes full advantage of it if it does happen. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
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| Re: All i have to say is said by Deathsadvoca :Intel is just being stupid right now. Intel KNOWS there in an anti-trust suit already but they do something that is blatantly anti-competitive. Intel is screwed if they do benchmarks in court and they are found out to be slower than amd's fastest chip. It will be a PR disaster if that happens, and i hope AMD takes full advantage of it if it does happen. It's no different from the games Microsoft played during their Anti-Trust fiasco.
They know at the end of the day they'll get away with it, getting a minor wrist slap (in terms of their income). | |
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clubs: | I love corporations! Wow good thing I bought that Intel Dual Core chip, I might not have had enough processing power for 10 simultaneous word documents.....
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join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO | Re: I love corporations! LOL | |
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Maxeh
Woot?
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join:2002-12-23
Chicago, IL
clubs: | Re: I love corporations! it was driving me nuts that i couldnt invite more people when i knew the max should be 10. fucking skype. 3 amd64 | |
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Sinz
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join:2002-08-18
Brooklyn, NY | I knew that the FX-57 didn't have the necessary processing power for office apps!!
You guys are all crazy for wanting to use AMD procs. =) | |
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join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| I guess being on a Ventrilo server (or TS if your a cheapo  ) with 20 people talking in a channel (theoretically) is gonna kill my processor and require a limit of 5 people per channel. Damn you AMD!  | |
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | Oh my gosh The AMD dual cores are really hyperthreaded, thats why it wont teh work!1 | |
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | Anyone else fed up with AMD? They have announced that they are taking on Intel re performance and pricing and are in a war. They are going thru "discover" into so many huge companies and causing a real nuisance. When will companies so enough! Get lost! | |
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: Anyone else fed up with AMD? said by IanR :They have announced that they are taking on Intel re performance and pricing and are in a war. They are going thru "discover" into so many huge companies and causing a real nuisance. When will companies so enough! Get lost! They have been in a war since the beginning, it's the business, and no, I am not fed up with AMD. I love my AMD64. | |
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| said by IanR :They have announced that they are taking on Intel re performance and pricing and are in a war. They are going thru "discover" into so many huge companies and causing a real nuisance. When will companies so enough! Get lost! You must be an Intel stockholder. Why else would you be upset that AMD is trying to keep Intel from marginalizing its products through unfair licensing agreements, anti-competitive business practices, and FUD marketing techniques? If the AMD suit didn't pass muster from a legal standpoint, the court would have granted Intel's requests that the suit be vacated/dismissed, which it has not.
We have courts so the law can be enforced. The bigger the offense, or the offender, the longer, louder, messier and more disruptive the pursuit of justice. Better than guns in the street, or no choice in the marketplace.
Read about the allegations here:
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8
| Skype is full of shit... ... if they werent drunk when they said this:
"Skype claims that only Intel dual-core chips offer the processing power necessary to run 10-person calls."
ROFLAMO...  I have yet to see *ANY* dual core Intel chip which has at least the same power like my AMD... it's not an accident when Opteron arrived, we dropped Xeons forever and we kept buying Opteron nodes for our renderfarm, workstations, everywhere - we constantly evaluate Xeons (incl latest ones) and they are simply less powerful than their Opteron counterparts. | |
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ
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| Re: Skype is full of shit... So this begs the question why is AMD suing Intel and not Skype for slander or something. If Skype wants to make a small feature of their client running only on an Intel processor who cares? There are plenty of other soft VoIP clients around that actually use open standard codecs so you are not tied to a particular company. I think all of this is silly. I also think AMD is jealous because their marketing and strategy departments have failed to place their product, take a larger market share, and hell, make some exclusive deals with say GTA San Andreas or something  | |
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Layton, UT
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| Re: Skype is full of shit... said by verolom :So this begs the question why is AMD suing Intel and not Skype for slander or something. If Skype wants to make a small feature of their client running only on an Intel processor who cares? They are not suing over this, just a subpoena for discovery information. There is already an ongoing lawsuit related to Intel marketing tricks and other issues.
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| Re: Skype is full of shit... said by RayW :said by verolom :So this begs the question why is AMD suing Intel and not Skype for slander or something. If Skype wants to make a small feature of their client running only on an Intel processor who cares? They are not suing over this, just a subpoena for discovery information. There is already an ongoing lawsuit related to Intel marketing tricks and other issues. And not only that but AMD DID take over a nice chunk of the market from Intel - in fact last Fall AMD constantly oversold Intel on the retail market. | |
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| Re: Skype is full of shit... said by kamm :And not only that but AMD DID take over a nice chunk of the market from Intel - in fact last Fall AMD constantly oversold Intel on the retail market. That would explain why the AMD can't handle that workload, they sold too many
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join:2004-12-20
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diehardspeed
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join:2003-05-14
Salt Lake City, UT | HAhahaHAHAHhaha Toooo. A friggen Pentium II 800MHz has enough processing power for 10 users hell I will even say it could handle 20 if that's all it was doing at the time!
What a friggen scam. I am sooooo sick of Intel's marketing scams!
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There Is Nothing Like A Restart
join:2001-01-03
Santa Barbara, CA
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| What if it was only.... Since Skype is part of eBay, I wonder if eBay is only allowing 5 bids per AMD processor and 10 for Intel... 
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join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA
| Down with AMD? I love it! AMD has NteL's cajonez in hand and squeezin' it silly! I love it cause NteL had not have a breakthru technology in buncha years. Now if only AMD expanded more on other chips to make itself more beautiful than it would really put NteL in a position to make it belly up.
AMD's HyperTransport is the AMD's ACE in the pocket that many do not see. everyone thinks AMD is just Opteron and AMD64 chips. oh I wish I had an ACE like that everytime I played Poker! | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: Down with AMD? said by Da Geek Kid :I love it! AMD has NteL's cajonez in hand and squeezin' it silly! I love it cause NteL had not have a breakthru technology in buncha years. Now if only AMD expanded more on other chips to make itself more beautiful than it would really put NteL in a position to make it belly up. AMD's HyperTransport is the AMD's ACE in the pocket that many do not see. everyone thinks AMD is just Opteron and AMD64 chips. oh I wish I had an ACE like that everytime I played Poker! Not at all - AMD's superweapon is their integrated, on-die memory controller. That's why Intel is getting buttfucked constantly for years now. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Down with AMD? I thought hypertransport was what they called their on-die memory controller system. Yes AMD has been kicking Intel's butt for a while now and Intel can't catch up without rethinking their chip design entirely. | |
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Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
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| Re: Down with AMD? said by grandpinaple :I thought hypertransport was what they called their on-die memory controller system. Hypertransport is just a type of bus architecture. It could theoretically be used to replace PCI.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertransport
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JeedaiKnight
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join:2002-03-15
Portland, OR
| Ever considered thinking like a business person...? Seems silly that everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this. Sure, Skype is silly to say that only Intel processors can run 10 person calls. But so what? Seems like all AMD can do anymore is sue Intel in hopes of taking them down a peg. Saying Intel hasn't released anything new is absolute crap. Look at the Pentium-M and now the Core-Duo. Those spank anything AMD has in the mobile market. And saying they arn't competitive? With Intel's R&D dollars, they could pound AMD into a mush - they're leaving AMD alive and slowly releasing products in order to create competition. Do you fanboys honestly think that Intel isn't releasing the most amazing technology because they can't?? That's business strategy. If they let AMD have some market share, there's competition. Competition is good for business in our system. AMD has better processors right now. Happy? I'm not a fanboy for one or the other, I've owned both. However, I get sick and tired of everyone here bashing Intel simply because they are bigger. If situations were reversed, and AMD was the big-cheese, you'd all be smashing them. 
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join:2002-11-19
Canada
| Re: Ever considered thinking like a business person...? said by JeedaiKnight : If situations were reversed, and AMD was the big-cheese, you'd all be smashing them. You mean if AMD were making false claims, released a compiler that would not allow non-AMD chips to use advanced instructions, and generally many other non competitive practises. If they did all that, would we be "smashing them"?
Damn right we would. Which is why we're "bashing Intel" now when they do these things. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| said by JeedaiKnight :Look at the Pentium-M and now the Core-Duo. Those spank anything AMD has in the mobile market. I would hardly call a 3% performance increase on SOME benchmarks a spanking. The Pentium-M is like two years old, and the dual core Pentiums are not competing well even against their own single core P4's (not to mention the Athlon 64 chips). Skype's comments amount to slander, especially when they are found to be untrue. That's definitely worthy of suing... especially if you are thinking like a business person. | |
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join:2002-08-01 | LIES!!! I use Ventrilo to conference with a good 40 or 50 people at the same time, and I'm using 3 year old AMD chip to do it!! | |
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join:2002-01-02
| The AMD has more processing power The AMD is much better. We just bought athlon64 3200+ socket 939 not too long ago. kicks my friend's intel 3.2 GHz 800fsb socket 775 ass pretty easily.. my core only runs at 2000 MHz compared to his 3200 MHz.. my cpu uses less power and runs a lot cooler.
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Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: The AMD has more processing power The matter of clock speed is the biggest BS from Intel and they have been bamboozling people with it for years. folks it is through put that matters most and in recent years AMD has consistently smoked Intel in through-put. If Apple had been really interested in performance they would have gone to AMD processors and not Intel.
Does this sound like I am a fan of AMD, damn right I am.:)
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| Why is this anti-competitive?? If AMD chips are superior then they *should* sell on the basis of their superior performance. But marketing, as we all know, is a valid tool used by companies to gain and edge even if their product doesn't offer one. And a strategic partnership is just smart business, it's not anti-competitive.
This is NOT a technical issue, not about which chip is better, which chip is capable of handling 10 calls etc. This is about one kid whining that 2 other kids don't want to play with him.
Apparently the US is not a free market, not survival of the strongest or best product, it's now a market where a level playing field means you can't build on your strengths, you can't build on your relationships, you can't bundle products without someone else complaining.
If Intel and Skyp want to sign an exclusive deal, then as AMD I would ask myself why I was left out of the party and focus on getting in Skype's good books...IF this means so much to them.
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Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
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March 2nd, @10:08PM
| Re: Why is this anti-competitive?? said by Paralito :
This is NOT a technical issue, not about which chip is better, which chip is capable of handling 10 calls etc. Correct, but not for the reason you said. This is an issue about one vendor, Skype, artificially crippling their application based solely on what chip you have installed.
If Skype wants to bundle an optimised version of their software with Intel chips, fine. If Skype wants to put in big letters in its marketing "works best with Intel chips", fine. If Skype wants to use a feature of the Intel chip that isn't available on an AMD chip that allows you to process a greater number of connections (ie:mmx before AMD licenced the technology), fine.
But when they query the os for what chip you have and limit the software based on that, especially since ways to benchmark a systems performance and adjust settings based on an actual number have existed for a long long time, then we have a problem; we have Skype punishing you based on the processor you chose to purchase. Assuming they're correct what happens when faster AMD chips come out, are they still going to be limited to 5 connections?
I do think AMD also needs to be going after Skype; but they've chosen to go the low route and only go after the big bad company(Intel). But then they wouldn't want to piss off the "disaffected youth" portion of their consumer base; who often root for the underdog solely because they are the underdog, and Skype is an underdog in the telco vs. everyone battle.
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join:2004-11-26
America
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| I still like both I mean, I still have a 3 yr. old P4 laptop (1.9) that works great even by todays standards. I don't care about battery life so much, but I do want the notebook to work fast enough to get some things done, and it does. I see little benefit (other than battery, and a slightly bigger cache) with newer intel chips, ESPECIALLY since the newer dual cores (I refuse to reverse that to use their lingo) all include this wonderful and amazing "Trusted" computing lockdown mechanisms...
So does AMD.
I want neither of their "Trusted" chips.
That being said, I've been a fan of AMD since about the early Athlons. Had a friend who was able to overclock a 700 or 750 to about a gigahertz. Still like socketA athlons just fine, and I am impressed by the 64-bit systems.
There just can't be any way their 64-bit chips are WORSE than what the other guys have, if anything, they're better. Voices in packets routed into and out of your machine have simply got to take less bandwidth than say, gigabit ethernet, a 16x DVD read/write, a video editing program, whatever, come on.
I don't care if intel is better at this or that, or if AMD is better at this or that... in this case.
This case is about the reality that intel has shafted AMD, and they do have every reason to cry foul. | |
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | Wait for a patch I'd be surprised if there wasn't a software patch to resolve the issue. | |
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: Wait for a patch hell, i wouldnt be surprised if it isnt just a registry setting that you can change.
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Legit piracy, dont make me laugh
join:2005-04-30
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| Re: Wait for a patch Some one some where will crack it with total ease. It will most likely be set during installation of the program. Look at windows genuine advantage, that was cracked for people with cracked XP keys. Where there is a will, there is a way.
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AMD Sues Over Intel/Skype Deal
Is it just me...