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Your car is going to take 71 days to charge, will randomly stop working when plugging directly into a nuclear reactor, and will cost $375 to cancel?
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by Pirate515:said by Mike:"but it's closely tied to the car's recharging systems" Your car is going to take 71 days to charge, will randomly stop working when plugging directly into a nuclear reactor, and will cost $375 to cancel? The main thing though, if all of a sudden it stops moving, is it because you are holding the steering wheel wrong? I'm sorry.. I thought this was a story for at&t, not apple.. | |
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kudos:1 | i dont see how it will sell I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. | |
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|  Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. | |
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Morton Grove, IL | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. I should be able to go a week on a charge. No problem here. | |
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| said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. and several studies show that people get stuck in traffic, snow, etc. So you cant tell me, that 20 miles in the 'tank' is enough for all these situations. No one is foolish enough to ride on 5 miles of gas daily.
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kudos:12 | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by DaveDude:said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. and several studies show that people get stuck in traffic, snow, etc. So you cant tell me, that 20 miles in the 'tank' is enough for all these situations. No one is foolish enough to ride on 5 miles of gas daily. You only use the power to drive your accessories when you're stuck in traffic. It's not like a gasoline engine where you use your fuel when you're stopped. | |
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Milpitas, CA | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by Matt3:You only use the power to drive your accessories when you're stuck in traffic. It's not like a gasoline engine where you use your fuel when you're stopped. +1 The same is true for current hybrids like the Prius. One gets great mileage in traffic jams in a hybrid. Every once in a while, the gasoline engine turns on to recharge the battery. | |
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| Re: i dont see how it will sell said by cghh:said by Matt3:You only use the power to drive your accessories when you're stuck in traffic. It's not like a gasoline engine where you use your fuel when you're stopped. +1 The same is true for current hybrids like the Prius. One gets great mileage in traffic jams in a hybrid. Every once in a while, the gasoline engine turns on to recharge the battery. There has to be some power drain, i mean the car has to keep itself in a forward mode, even on flat pavement, i am sure its low, but definitely a loss of some kind.
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Houston, TX | Re: i dont see how it will sell This isn't true actually; the Prius (I own one) will turn the electric motors off (there are two) if the car is idling in drive with the brake depressed for more than a few seconds. If you take your foot off the brake, the electric motors engage - put your foot on the accelerator beyond a certain point, and the gas engine engages.
The brake functions like a stop-switch for the engine - it *always* disengages the transmission, regardless of whether you are trying to stop or trying to idle.
This is actually used on many gas cars, too, but there is no functionality to turn off a gas engine when the car is not moving (without losing all power) - whereas, in a hybrid, this is possible. | |
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| said by cghh:+1 The same is true for current hybrids like the Prius. One gets great mileage in traffic jams in a hybrid. Every once in a while, the gasoline engine turns on to recharge the battery. That's the problem with the Leaf, it doesn't have a backup gasoline engine so if you get into one of these situations, you're going to need a tow to the nearest power outlet.
The leaf isn't designed for long distance/country driving though.
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| | | | | | | | Re: i dont see how it will sell The majority of Prius' battery packs and motors aren't designed for more than 2-4 miles of travel without the engine kicking on. If you got stuck in traffic it'd have to be for hours before it got to be an issue. | |
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| Re: i dont see how it will sell said by bogey780:The majority of Prius' battery packs and motors aren't designed for more than 2-4 miles of travel without the engine kicking on. If you got stuck in traffic it'd have to be for hours before it got to be an issue. I thought with the Prius, it isn't how far you've gone, but how fast you are going? In other words the Prius' gas engine only kicks in when you're going fast enough, so if you aren't moving it wouldn't kick in.
In any case, this is about the Leaf which has no gas engine.
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: i dont see how it will sell The Prius has a parallel hybrid drivetrain where the gas an electric work in tandem but the electric is the primary source of propulsion at low speeds and the gas at high speeds. The gas does kick in at low speeds though to maintain he electric system. The Prius if in traffic for long stretches at slow speeds will kick on the gas motor to maintain the batteries and provide propulsion while charging.
The Leaf has a much much larger battery system which can handle traffic conditions without a gas engine. So unless it's stuck crawling for hour in traffic it shouldn't cause an issue.
If the Prius loses its gas engine you have at most a few miles of driving before it dies. | |
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kudos:5 | said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. The Volt has a 340 mile range since it is a hybrid which can go 300 miles on a full tank of gas.
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kudos:12 | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by Linklist:said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. The Volt has a 340 mile range since it is a hybrid which can go 300 miles on a full tank of gas. I forgot about that. It can go 40 miles on its electric charge alone. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by DaveDude:» www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil.
As far as the top speed, that doesn't matter. An electric engine generates thousands of pounds of torque from 0 RPM, so acceleration is outstanding. For example, the Leaf can 0-60 in 6 seconds ... | |
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| Re: i dont see how it will sell said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:» www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. As far as the top speed, that doesn't matter. An electric engine generates thousands of pounds of torque from 0 RPM, so acceleration is outstanding. For example, the Leaf can 0-60 in 6 seconds ... I think you need to drive on NJTP, 60 is standing still, never mind the truck lanes. Tell me how do you produce large amounts of electricity without gas , coal, or nuke ? Its not feasible. There are no hydro-electric plants being built, because of environmentalism.
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The top speed is 90mph. The only road I have heard of where there is regular travel above 90mph is the Autoban in Germany.
Also, where did you get the idea that nuke plants generate a large amount of emissions? Also, why do you keep hammering on this stupid point that has been addressed. The goal is to lessen emissions. Do you argue that gasoline run cars generate less emissions than fully electric cars running on electricity generated from say, a nuke plant? Or a hydro dam?
In any case, there are a wide variety of ways to generate large amounts of electricity without coal or gas plants. In fact, I don't think I have ever heard of gasoline being used to generate large amounts of electricity, that would be horribly inefficient. Point of evidence, I can't remember if it is Greenland or Iceland but their whole country runs on a geothermal grid. Large amounts of energy can be generated in many ways, though nuclear power is one of those I think is the cleanest and safest myself.
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| Re: i dont see how it will sell said by HappyAnarchy :
0-60 is a measure of acceleration, which you seem to have missed somehow.
The top speed is 90mph. The only road I have heard of where there is regular travel above 90mph is the Autoban in Germany.
Also, where did you get the idea that nuke plants generate a large amount of emissions? Also, why do you keep hammering on this stupid point that has been addressed. The goal is to lessen emissions. Do you argue that gasoline run cars generate less emissions than fully electric cars running on electricity generated from say, a nuke plant? Or a hydro dam?
I think hippies have done more damage to the environment than many other factors just by keeping ancient coal firing plants active because they keep protesting nuke plants.
I think you missed my repetitively mentioning that no one ever goes the speed limit on the NJTP, ever. So topping at 90, is not a good idea, typical speed is around 80, not much leeway there.
Nuke plants produce nuclear waste, But i never said they produce emissions. And YES there are gasoline cars that produce less emissions then a hybrids. How can a car powered by electricity have no emissions? How did the power get there ? There was no electric plant involved. It like saying the theater produced a movie ? duh
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| said by DaveDude:said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:» www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. As far as the top speed, that doesn't matter. An electric engine generates thousands of pounds of torque from 0 RPM, so acceleration is outstanding. For example, the Leaf can 0-60 in 6 seconds ... I think you need to drive on NJTP, 60 is standing still, never mind the truck lanes. Tell me how do you produce large amounts of electricity without gas , coal, or nuke ? Its not feasible. There are no hydro-electric plants being built, because of environmentalism. Not real enviromentalist but NIMBY's | |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Matt3:Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. Uh, you do know that nearly 70% of our electricity comes from those "nasty, icky" fossil fuels, right? Anyone who plugs a car into an outlet is contributing MORE to pollution than by driving a conventional econobox.
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And since most environuts are opposed to any new electrical generation or expansion of the electrical grid, how are people supposed to power this thing if everyone decides to buy one of these things, with magic?
Electrical cars are a joke. Anyone who had a PowerWheels as a kid would tell you that. If you really want to save the planet, do what I do and buy a high-mpg compact car.
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Arlington, VA | Actually the Volt is not a hybrid. The Prius is, but the Volt is not. | |
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Springfield, MO | said by Matt3:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. the Volt also has a backup engine that can go another 100 miles on gas
the 40 mile range is on batt. only it has ~140 mile range on both batt only and hybrid | |
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|  aaronwtPremium
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Glen Allen, VA | Re: i dont see how it will sell said by aaronwt:The leaf has a 100 mile range. = truth... | |
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So depending on the costs involved, 30 miles worth of gas saved a day would be well worth it.
And I commute farther than most of my coworkers. Many people never travel more than 10 miles in a day.
Sure if you live in another city or far away this doesn't work for you, but if you live in the middle of the city the savings on gas could be pretty substantial. | |
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kudos:3 | so... is this a story about the car itself? ... or that at&t struck a deal to provide the 3G service for it? I guess I'm confused ... | |
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| said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. ugh... it does not use any Power
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| Re: i dont see how it will sell said by Anonymous_:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. ugh... it does not use any Power not moving = no power used proof ? linky ? Try idling on a hill for a half hour? are you sure ?
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| Re: i dont see how it will sell ehhh..... you REALLY have absolute no idea how electric cars work do you? The whole reasons gas engines "idle" is because it's damn inefficient to crank them back on with the starter again... essentially, gas engines must be running at a near-constant idling RPM level to create a decently smooth driving experience. In case you don't motice, gas engines also have a VERY narrow efficient RPM "redline" range, hence the reason transmissions exist in the FIRST PLACE. Electric motors on the other hand produce an OBSCENE amount of torque especially at low RPM's making the very point of transmissions moot. The result is that electric (pure electric) vehicles tend to either have direct-drive motors on all 4 wheels, or a central motor connected to the front / rear wheels via a single-stage gearbox and other basic mechanical linkages... no transmission / shifting nonsense. Even reverse gear isn't needed. For AC motors, the controller just reverses the phases. For DC motor systems it's even easier... just reverse the direction of the current going to the motor.
In any case, all this comes down to one thing... electric motors consume precisely ZERO power when at rest... now if you're running accessories like wipers / lights / Air conditioning while stopped in traffic, that's a whole different matter, but that can happen in a gasoline-powered car as well. Either way, the fundamental physics of electric motors means they need NO power while stopped.. there's NO such thing as "idling" on an electric vehicle. (Keep in mind... onboard control electronics will always consume SOME power, but that's sort of negligible AFAIK).
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Billings, MT | Where's the SIM Card? Does this have a SIM Card slot? If so, can someone just swap out the SIM card for a more local carrier?
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kudos:8 | Re: Where's the SIM Card? said by Simba7:Does this have a SIM Card slot? If so, can someone just swap out the SIM card for a more local carrier? Also, does this cost extra or is it built-in with the initial cost of the car? Only if you can unlock it.
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thats just asking to step in thorns.
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Nissan will probably pay for the roaming.
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Given Nissan plans to sell the LEAF worldwide, they chose AT&T because of their support of the GSM standard.
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kudos:3 | Re: If you drive in a foreign country... It is not clear if the customer has to pay att or nissan. If the latter i can't imagine att having any caps.
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Glen Carbon, IL | No 3G What if you use one of these things, and you are in a place without any 3G? With AT&T, that's a lot of land area. Would EDGE be "good enough?" For technical/telemetry data, I can't imagine that there's a lot of data. But I don't know the specifics of this system. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: No 3G Edge almost is equal to 3g, depending on its implementation. 3G solved alot of use issues, such as talking, and data simultaneously , and 'new' specs to forward data speeds. | |
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Springfield, OR | Re: No 3G Just from the top of my head, AT&T's deployment of EDGE typically peaks between 150-250Kbps - other 3G technologies such as EVDO REV.A and whatever AT&T uses easily achieve 1.5Mbps and greater.
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Just a nice simple conveyance to get me from point A to point B. And it's been paid for since '01. Now, I'm mak'n $ driving this puppy-longer I keep it, the more I make. And I have the fun of a little off-road'n on occasion.
Anybody do a ROI(Return On Investment) on ANY electric vehicle? And why is there ANY internet access at all? People can't drive with all of the current distractions going on-now they'll be 'surf'in the 'net while stuck in traffic. Great.... 
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USA | Re: HSUPA+ Can you upgrade the car to 4G? 5G? Are you going to be paying AT&T the whole life of the car? You don't see the issues? Cars are "durable goods" and don't get thrown away after the new models come out. | |
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Of note (as it seems you are not an att customer) is that the iPhone has had iAds for the leaf, anyone with more than 4 brain cells could predict they may have planned a partnership via iPhone connectivity well before iAds ever came around, but the iAd simply makes the connectivity partnership make more sense, since the primary viewers of these ads are iPhone using (and therefore in the us) att customers........
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Chicago, IL | gasoline engine efficiency sucks compared to power plant Modern gasoline engines have an average efficiency of about 20% to 30% when used to power a car
Modern engines are often intentionally built to be slightly less efficient than they could otherwise be. This is necessary for emission controls such as exhaust gas recirculation and catalytic converters that reduce smog and other atmospheric pollutants. Reductions in efficiency may be counteracted with an engine control unit using lean burn techniques | |
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kudos:5 | BMW Did the same Recently switched all their systems in new cars from Verizon CDMA to AT&T GSM/3G.
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Yes, EV is not meant to replace your once a year long trip. However it is perfect as a second car and for those who commute less than 100 miles a day. you can produce your own clean electricity via solar panels, but you cannot produce your own gasoline. Infrastructure will improve overtime as more people owns them. I think we can all agree that cutting our consumption of oil (especially foreign oil) is a good thing, and every little bit helps.
from what Nissan reps been saying, the nav and the recharging station location and traffic update are free, although it's not official yet.
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Fort Myers, FL | Re: wow I've notice this too on many tech blogs. I think some people just can't handle the fact that the gasoline engine days are numbered.
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Glen Carbon, IL | Privacy Policy I'd be very interested in what the privacy policy will be when this is finally released. It's also of great concern, at least to me.
Will location data be transmitted? If so, for what purposes? Will the data be individually identifiable? To me, it's no one's business on what days someone visits the grocery store, what route they take to get there, when they visit strip clubs, if they visit strip clubs, the list goes on. If the car contains a GPS device, will the addresses be transmitted to some database?
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Glen Carbon, IL | There Should Be More Options Aside from AT&T 3G Yes, there should be. It'd even be easy to implement. Instead of requiring this service be used, why not instead use Bluetooth, a cord, or something else to connect the car to the user's mobile phone (it'd have to be a smart phone with data). Then it won't matter what service is used, what device, etc. It'd also allow future-proofing since 4G will become more prevalent. | |
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Fort Myers, FL | Re: And every Law....... You need a tin foil hat
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Cost for electric for the vehicles I sell here in Milwaukee, using Time of use Electrical Service is 12-25 cents per 30-40 miles traveled.
The pictured alfa was going to be my personal car, but due to finances, I had to sell it before completion. I had it 100% running and driveing, just didnt have the money for the body work and interior. I commuted in it for a month to work, 8 miles to work, 8 miles home on single charge with plenty to spare. Using low end low capacity Wal-Mart Everstart Marine batteries
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Plug it in, where?
Where will the new Leaf owner plug in their car to recharge? Even in a single family home the new owner will probably have to install a 240 Volt outlet to plug the charger into. If one lives in a rental or condominium development they will be SOOL. (S&*T out of luck). It will take many years to develop the infrastructure to permit recharging for homeowners in multifamily buildings. The only place where there might be some hope is in Alaska and extreme northern cities where there is an outlet at every parking meter to plug in engine block heaters.
