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AT&T Announces HSPA 7.2 Upgrade
7.2Mbps speeds coming later this year...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 27-May-2009 tags: business · wireless · Cingular Wireless
As was broadly expected ahead of a new, more video-centric iPhone launch, AT&T this morning announced their plans to upgrade the carrier's wireless broadband network. According to AT&T, the latest HSPA 7.2 upgrade will begin later this year, and bumps the network's currently maximum theoretical downstream speed from 3.6Mbps to 7.2Mbps. Employees have told us the upgrades are already live in at least two test markets.

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In addition to the speed bump, AT&T says they're doubling the wireless spectrum dedicated to 3G in most of the company's metropolitan markets, while adding thousands of new cell site backhaul connections. AT&T technicians are also busy deploying about 2,100 new cell sites across the country during 2009.

The company's 3G mobile broadband network is now available in nearly 350 U.S. major metropolitan areas, though as their sometimes-accurate coverage map attests, there's plenty of work left to be done. AT&T says they plan about twenty additional metro deployments this year. As for HSPA 7.2 on your laptop or netbook, AT&T says they'll introduce multiple HSPA 7.2-compatible laptop cards "later this year."

AT&T has previously stated they plan to begin testing faster LTE technology beginning in 2010, HSPA has a lot of life left., and the company intends to milk the standard for some time. After the HSPA 7.2 upgrade, AT&T can move on to the evolved-HSPA (HSPA+) upgrade, which should approach 20Mbps. Ericsson says they'll be supporting commercial deployment of HSPA gear capable of 42Mbps by the end of this year.

But of course this is all downstream bandwidth. On the upstream side of the fence, AT&T in 2008 finished their HSUPA upgrades, which boosted the upstream capability of their 3G wireless network to between 500kbps and 800kbps. It also goes without saying that the speeds AT&T trots out in their press releases quite often aren't anything like the speeds seen by real users in the wild.

So, can we use our Slingbox app over 3G yet?

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SrsBsns

join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK

Getting ahead of themselves

I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first!

BF69
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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

said by SrsBsns:

I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first!
Hell they don't even offer 3G at ANY speed where I live. Meanwhile Verizon has 95% of my state covered.

toby
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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

If they had any signal where I live, that'd be a start.

en102
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While not a very scientific test (location not listed, time of day, repeatability during day vs night, etc) it does show that it is possible

»www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/enga···america/

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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

said by en102:

While not a very scientific test (location not listed, time of day, repeatability during day vs night, etc) it does show that it is possible

»www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/enga···america/
Beat me too it.

But it does look like AT&T fares well in the testing endgadget did.
»www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/enga···america/
To check download, upload and latency measurements, we used DSLReports' Flash 8 speed test, which has become somewhat of an unofficial standard over the years. We tested six separate locations a half dozen times, throwing out the outliers and coming up with an average that we felt was truly representative of our experience.


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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

I read that yesterday as well and I wasn't surprised that Verizon finished last. I was surprised that they were so close to Sprint though ... my Verizon EVDO connection felt absolutely GLACIAL compared to my Sprint EVDO card. Although my speed test and latency results frequently matched what they reported, there was a definitely perceived difference in speed, although I was never able to put my finger on what it was.

en102
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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

Location...location.... location.
xenophon

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Biggest problem with most evaluations is that they don't test across the country with thousands of users. Dslreports.com has a great archive of users across the country. Looks like Sprint leads for cellphones..

[url]»/mspeed?domains=1[/url]

Here are laptop card results...
Speed Test Statistics - dslreports.com

Samples Down Upload
113 747 369 Sprint Mobile Broadband:
105 727 353 Verizon Wireless
28 622 374 Cingular: US mobile provider (ATT)

These results change all the time though. No provider consistently leads and all are sometimes on top. Wireless data is fickle.

ATT also misleads with their map. They show 2g/3g coverage combined. They have much less national 3G coverage than Sprint/Verizon.

en102
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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

I'll agree with you on that there is no provider will consistently lead in every market across the country.

AT&T's 3g map shows 3g vs. 2g - but they do have less national 3G coverage than Sprint and Verizon, but more than T-Mobile.

Both Sprint and AT&T are pretty decent where I am in SoCal.
I've 'peaked' out at ~1.2Mbps on Treo 800w (EVDO Rev A). I haven't used data in months on HTC Tilt, as work pays for the Treo.

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said by xenophon:

Dslreports.com has a great archive of users across the country. Looks like Sprint leads for cellphones..

[url]»/mspeed?domains=1[/url]

The dslreports mobile test numbers are valuable, but they don't measure just 3g speeds. They also include the older 2g speeds as well.
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xenophon

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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

said by Romney2012:

The dslreports mobile test numbers are valuable, but they don't measure just 3g speeds. They also include the older 2g speeds as well.
True, is the same for all though so factoring it is still mostly negligible. If you average all the speeds over 500Kbps, they still all come out to be about the same, with one carrier on top one day, another carrier another day.

Wireless depends on so many factors that are not in control of the carrier.

en102
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Re: Getting ahead of themselves

That's why most carriers state 'average' speeds 500-800kbps All I care that is
a) it works WHERE I need it
b) it works WHEN I need it
c) it doesn't cost a truck load of $$$
d) ToS doesn't turn a service into a useless item (eg. I'd like to use Skype)
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Biggest problem with most evaluations is that they don't test across the country with thousands of users. Dslreports.com has a great archive of users across the country. Looks like Sprint leads for cellphones..
Problem with that: When I run a test through my AT&T 3G phone, it regularly reports the domain was "myvzw.com" or some other strange, non AT&T domain.
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I'm lucky to get 3G speeds where I live. I'm looking out the window at the damn cell tower.

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said by SrsBsns:

I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first!
I wonder if they've started upgrades in my area? Over the past month I've had days where my signal goes down to 1 bar, but then at night back up to full. For the past week or so it's been full bars and the 3G has been much faster, I'm averaging 1.3Mbps on my iPhone. It's been so speedy I've left WiFi turned off to conserve battery.

doublea

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Petaluma, CA
said by SrsBsns:

I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first!
I know, the claim my city (petaluma ca) (pop 59000) has 3g, but its spotty at best, and if you can get connected your lucky to get 400k, We call it "glorified edge"

To AT&T improve 3G reliability and coverage before improving speed! 3.6mbps is PLENTY fast for a handset atm, that 3.6mbps is good enough to deliver a very high quality video, what needs more?

Here is what you need to do to make me happy:

Reduce ping to under 300ms
Improve reliability so I don't get booted to edge every 5 mins
Stop playing the numbers game and make a product that works.

Hpower
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Glendale, CA

Not bad

Those are some major upgrades. Damn. I wonder if even 20% of the customers will be able to get anything near those speeds
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3G expansion in RI

I noticed that they did some upgrades on my drive home. I get a 3G signal all the way from Providence to the Connecticut border.
Hopefully they keep pushing the few extra miles into my area.

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Re: 3G expansion in RI

said by ptrowski:

I noticed that they did some upgrades on my drive home. I get a 3G signal all the way from Providence to the Connecticut border.
Hopefully they keep pushing the few extra miles into my area.
Funny enough, when I turned on my phone this AM I saw we have 3G service in town now. Good stuff!
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chsteiger
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When?????

"MicroCells. Customer trials leading toward general availability of AT&T 3G MicroCell offerings, which utilize femtocells to enhance in-building wireless coverage."

I need this in my house BAD! Anyone know what the timeline is for this?

Hookem99
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What about phone quality?

Here we go again.....

All these data upgrades are great, but when will I be able to make a phone call, and have a conversation with out it failing first and then dropping a few seconds into the call? I would rather have quality phone service rather than high data speeds right now!

I guess I should just stick to emailing rather than phone calls! Who really uses phones to make phone calls anymore?? Right?
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Re: What about phone quality?

said by Hookem99:

Here we go again.....

All these data upgrades are great, but when will I be able to make a phone call, and have a conversation with out it failing first and then dropping a few seconds into the call? I would rather have quality phone service rather than high data speeds right now!

I guess I should just stick to emailing rather than phone calls! Who really uses phones to make phone calls anymore?? Right?
Remember, AT&T uses the 3G network for voice calls too. The 3G coverage improvements ought to help your voice reliability. The 3G network around me has improved quite a bit over the last year or two, and the call consistency has improved along with it.
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en102
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Re: What about phone quality?

Does it now work in the hills where you are, djrobx ?

Until they build out Seco Canyon , it'll still be weak.
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nerdboy789

join:2004-06-07
Rigby, ID

Good

Now maybe my iPhone 3G will be able to get some decent download speeds instead of the usual 500k-1mbps that I get in parts of my area these days since it's capable of the full 7.2Mbps HSDPA.

sauria

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Re: Good

Is the iPhone 3G capable of the full 7.2Mbps HSDPA.?

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Re: Good

said by sauria:

Is the iPhone 3G capable of the full 7.2Mbps HSDPA.?
The new one coming will be but I don't think the current iPhone 3G will be capable.
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xenophon

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Backhaul

The big question is if they'll provide enough backhaul to each site. That is the biggest challenge for all 3G/4G carriers.

My guess is that ATT will have very few sites with enough backhaul to provide 3+Mbps for every users. They'll milk the marketing though that the devices are 'capable' of 7Mbps.
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Re: Backhaul

From the blurb above:
quote:
AT&T says they're doubling the wireless spectrum dedicated to 3G in most of the company's metropolitan markets, while adding thousands of new cell site backhaul connections.
xenophon

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Re: Backhaul

The size of those backhaul connections is the question.

Sprint/Clearwire has been having this challenge with WiMAX. Some sites apparently have over 12Mb pipes, most probably don't. That's needed just to sustain 2-5Mbps avg for most users sharing same site. If ATT wants to sustain up to 7Mbps, they'll need to have much greater backhaul, especially since they have more users per site than Sprint.

All 4G carriers will have this challenge.

The 7.2Mbps rollout will probably help capacity to maintain _more_ users in the 2Mbps range rather than allow most users to get 5-7Mbps.
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said by RadioDoc:

From the blurb above:
quote:
AT&T says they're doubling the wireless spectrum dedicated to 3G in most of the company's metropolitan markets, while adding thousands of new cell site backhaul connections.
Spectrum != backhaul

You can add more spectrum, low bar users will get more speed, but the tower will still have the same total speed and some spectrum will go wasted when there are alot of users with perfect bars pushing data.
RadioDoc
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Re: Backhaul

said by patcat88:

Spectrum != backhaul
True, but that's not what it says. They are adding spectrum and adding thousands of new backhaul connections, which are two different things.

en102
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Spectrum is typically the most expensive part. Its a finite quantity. The only way to 'add' more is either
a) purchase/lease ( eg AWS, or 700MHz license bids)
b) add more sites (reuse) - eg. Sprint added CDMA sites to Nextels - smart move - somewhat expensive, but very effective
c) aquire a carrier (and all or some of its spectrum)
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RX300

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Expanding

AT&T turned on 3G in Anchorage and Wasilla Alaska yeaterday. Probably in other cities also. Don't know which version of 3G.

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Doubling the 3G Wireless Spectrum...

...is all that I really care about. The 3G call quality has been choppy at times (read more often than it isnt) and could only be blamed on the lack of bandwidth. I'm guessing this should fix some of the problems. Should also fix call dropping issues for many of the 3G users.
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ha

This service will be applied in areas where fios and other High speed networks already exist first.. And even then, this is the death star, they will claim one thing, but provide another as usual... The disclaimer makes it all okay though... Yay!

Why bother developing faster technology if your just planning to deply in 5 major cities then move on to another failed unsupported plan?.. Stop this crap, roll out fiber and be happy for a change... At least you can truely have a reliable network and not have to resend techs out on a daily basis to get your Video services to work reliably... God forbid if you get some verdigris on your copper
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3G in all its glory!

I sure hope that my area hasn't been upgraded yet!

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Re: 3G in all its glory!

LOL, I just tested my 2G EDGE T-Mobile Blackberry and I got this:

Download speed: 57.3
Max: 153.88

Upload speed: 36.82
Max: 54.11

Haha, ATT 3G is a joke.
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Re: 3G in all its glory!

It is no joke where I am at. I have seen and registered speeds up to 2megs. The funny thing here is everyone bashes ATT for its network and now that it seems that they are finally going to do something about it people are still bashing it. Let them do what they say they are going to do and once it is done then judge. VZ may have the best coverage (not in my area, no 3G either, ATT 5 bars where ever I go and 3G)being the fact they have never changed its network type where ATT has done it twice. We will see what VZ service will be like once they change from CDMA to LTE
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Getting a bit better here in the RF Black Hole



Problem is here at my office the signal strength is so bad (-101 dBm) that the upload side just dies most of the time, as shown above.

It is getting better though. A couple of months ago my phone would switch to EDGE and barely hang on in standby while draining the battery in about three hours.
fhg001

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In support of ATT 3G (somewhat)

In my area there is no wired internet so I depend on AT&T 3G exclusively for internet access. It has been working great for the last 18 or so months close to the advertised speeds. Nothing to brag about but beats dial-up and allows me to skip the 80 mile round trip commute. It has never gone down once that I know of.
Of course if they would get off their a$$ and wire the neighborhood with DSL things would be better. Looking forward to 4G.

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excellent at&t speeds

my speeds here in south fl. are sweet. tethering via wifi adhoc, I always get around 2mbps down, 800k up via treo pro. Pings usually around 120-140 to most sites. Not terrible. gaming is smooth. Id post a screenshot but currently on the treo typing this and on the road. will post later...

gigahurtz
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I won't hold my breath

Overall, I do like my AT&T service, however, their 3G coverage is lacking. My area does not have 3G, yet we have nearly 100,000 population. The surrounding areas have 3G but they are far from 3.6 Mbps. I hope AT&T works on improving their existing network along with this upgrade, but I am not holding my breath.
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Fiber to rural towers

We only have Edge not 3G in our area but is solid moving from one tower to another when working in the field.

The good news is one of the big tower companies that may have every carrier renting space is having fiber brought to their towers.

Hope AT&T will upgrade to 3G with a bigger pipe then T1s to the sites.

mobiledog

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CR Iowa area benefits from 3G

AT&T upgrades in the CR area have jumped max data speeds from 57K to over 1,500Kbps.

the coverage area is for the 3-4 cities around the metro and the speed increase is real, it's just not everywhere.
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