 SrsBsns join:2001-08-30 Oklahoma City, OK | Getting ahead of themselves I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first! | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Getting ahead of themselves said by SrsBsns:I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first! Hell they don't even offer 3G at ANY speed where I live. Meanwhile Verizon has 95% of my state covered. | |
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 |  |  tobyTroy Mcclure join:2001-11-13 Seattle, WA | Re: Getting ahead of themselves If they had any signal where I live, that'd be a start. | |
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 |  |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | Re: Getting ahead of themselves Beat me too it. 
But it does look like AT&T fares well in the testing endgadget did. »www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/enga···america/
To check download, upload and latency measurements, we used DSLReports' Flash 8 speed test, which has become somewhat of an unofficial standard over the years. We tested six separate locations a half dozen times, throwing out the outliers and coming up with an average that we felt was truly representative of our experience.

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 |  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Getting ahead of themselves I read that yesterday as well and I wasn't surprised that Verizon finished last. I was surprised that they were so close to Sprint though ... my Verizon EVDO connection felt absolutely GLACIAL compared to my Sprint EVDO card. Although my speed test and latency results frequently matched what they reported, there was a definitely perceived difference in speed, although I was never able to put my finger on what it was. | |
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 |  |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Getting ahead of themselves Location...location.... location.  | |
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[url]»/mspeed?domains=1[/url]
Here are laptop card results... Speed Test Statistics - dslreports.com
Samples Down Upload 113 747 369 Sprint Mobile Broadband: 105 727 353 Verizon Wireless 28 622 374 Cingular: US mobile provider (ATT)
These results change all the time though. No provider consistently leads and all are sometimes on top. Wireless data is fickle.
ATT also misleads with their map. They show 2g/3g coverage combined. They have much less national 3G coverage than Sprint/Verizon. | |
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 |  |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA 1 edit | Re: Getting ahead of themselves I'll agree with you on that there is no provider will consistently lead in every market across the country.
AT&T's 3g map shows 3g vs. 2g - but they do have less national 3G coverage than Sprint and Verizon, but more than T-Mobile.
Both Sprint and AT&T are pretty decent where I am in SoCal. I've 'peaked' out at ~1.2Mbps on Treo 800w (EVDO Rev A). I haven't used data in months on HTC Tilt, as work pays for the Treo. | |
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Wireless depends on so many factors that are not in control of the carrier. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Getting ahead of themselves That's why most carriers state 'average' speeds 500-800kbps All I care that is a) it works WHERE I need it b) it works WHEN I need it c) it doesn't cost a truck load of $$$ d) ToS doesn't turn a service into a useless item (eg. I'd like to use Skype) -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA kudos:2 | I'm lucky to get 3G speeds where I live. I'm looking out the window at the damn cell tower. | |
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 |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | said by SrsBsns:I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first! I wonder if they've started upgrades in my area? Over the past month I've had days where my signal goes down to 1 bar, but then at night back up to full. For the past week or so it's been full bars and the 3G has been much faster, I'm averaging 1.3Mbps on my iPhone. It's been so speedy I've left WiFi turned off to conserve battery. | |
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 |  | | said by SrsBsns:I cant even get 1Mbps with full 3G HSDPA signal. work on that first! I know, the claim my city (petaluma ca) (pop 59000) has 3g, but its spotty at best, and if you can get connected your lucky to get 400k, We call it "glorified edge"
To AT&T improve 3G reliability and coverage before improving speed! 3.6mbps is PLENTY fast for a handset atm, that 3.6mbps is good enough to deliver a very high quality video, what needs more?
Here is what you need to do to make me happy:
Reduce ping to under 300ms Improve reliability so I don't get booted to edge every 5 mins Stop playing the numbers game and make a product that works. | |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT kudos:4 | 3G expansion in RI I noticed that they did some upgrades on my drive home. I get a 3G signal all the way from Providence to the Connecticut border. Hopefully they keep pushing the few extra miles into my area. | |
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I need this in my house BAD! Anyone know what the timeline is for this? | |
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| What about phone quality? Here we go again.....
All these data upgrades are great, but when will I be able to make a phone call, and have a conversation with out it failing first and then dropping a few seconds into the call? I would rather have quality phone service rather than high data speeds right now!
I guess I should just stick to emailing rather than phone calls! Who really uses phones to make phone calls anymore?? Right? -- Women think they are clever just because they can fake an orgasm for a relationship, whats the big deal a man can fake a whole relationship for an orgasm!!!! | |
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| Re: What about phone quality? said by Hookem99:Here we go again..... All these data upgrades are great, but when will I be able to make a phone call, and have a conversation with out it failing first and then dropping a few seconds into the call? I would rather have quality phone service rather than high data speeds right now! I guess I should just stick to emailing rather than phone calls! Who really uses phones to make phone calls anymore?? Right? Remember, AT&T uses the 3G network for voice calls too. The 3G coverage improvements ought to help your voice reliability. The 3G network around me has improved quite a bit over the last year or two, and the call consistency has improved along with it. -- AT&T U-Hearse Your funeral. Delivered.
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Until they build out Seco Canyon , it'll still be weak. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 | | Good Now maybe my iPhone 3G will be able to get some decent download speeds instead of the usual 500k-1mbps that I get in parts of my area these days since it's capable of the full 7.2Mbps HSDPA.
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 |  sauria join:2002-04-23 Abilene, TX | Re: Good Is the iPhone 3G capable of the full 7.2Mbps HSDPA.? | |
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| Re: Good said by sauria:Is the iPhone 3G capable of the full 7.2Mbps HSDPA.? The new one coming will be but I don't think the current iPhone 3G will be capable. -- "So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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 | | Backhaul The big question is if they'll provide enough backhaul to each site. That is the biggest challenge for all 3G/4G carriers.
My guess is that ATT will have very few sites with enough backhaul to provide 3+Mbps for every users. They'll milk the marketing though that the devices are 'capable' of 7Mbps. | |
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 |  RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | Re: Backhaul From the blurb above: quote: AT&T says they're doubling the wireless spectrum dedicated to 3G in most of the company's metropolitan markets, while adding thousands of new cell site backhaul connections.
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Sprint/Clearwire has been having this challenge with WiMAX. Some sites apparently have over 12Mb pipes, most probably don't. That's needed just to sustain 2-5Mbps avg for most users sharing same site. If ATT wants to sustain up to 7Mbps, they'll need to have much greater backhaul, especially since they have more users per site than Sprint.
All 4G carriers will have this challenge.
The 7.2Mbps rollout will probably help capacity to maintain _more_ users in the 2Mbps range rather than allow most users to get 5-7Mbps. | |
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 |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | said by RadioDoc:From the blurb above: quote: AT&T says they're doubling the wireless spectrum dedicated to 3G in most of the company's metropolitan markets, while adding thousands of new cell site backhaul connections.
Spectrum != backhaul
You can add more spectrum, low bar users will get more speed, but the tower will still have the same total speed and some spectrum will go wasted when there are alot of users with perfect bars pushing data. | |
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| ha This service will be applied in areas where fios and other High speed networks already exist first.. And even then, this is the death star, they will claim one thing, but provide another as usual... The disclaimer makes it all okay though... Yay!
Why bother developing faster technology if your just planning to deply in 5 major cities then move on to another failed unsupported plan?.. Stop this crap, roll out fiber and be happy for a change... At least you can truely have a reliable network and not have to resend techs out on a daily basis to get your Video services to work reliably... God forbid if you get some verdigris on your copper  | |
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| Re: 3G in all its glory! LOL, I just tested my 2G EDGE T-Mobile Blackberry and I got this:
Download speed: 57.3 Max: 153.88
Upload speed: 36.82 Max: 54.11
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Problem is here at my office the signal strength is so bad (-101 dBm) that the upload side just dies most of the time, as shown above.
It is getting better though. A couple of months ago my phone would switch to EDGE and barely hang on in standby while draining the battery in about three hours.  | |
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 fhg001 join:2005-08-01 Chapin, SC | In support of ATT 3G (somewhat) In my area there is no wired internet so I depend on AT&T 3G exclusively for internet access. It has been working great for the last 18 or so months close to the advertised speeds. Nothing to brag about but beats dial-up and allows me to skip the 80 mile round trip commute. It has never gone down once that I know of. Of course if they would get off their a$$ and wire the neighborhood with DSL things would be better. Looking forward to 4G. | |
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| excellent at&t speeds my speeds here in south fl. are sweet. tethering via wifi adhoc, I always get around 2mbps down, 800k up via treo pro. Pings usually around 120-140 to most sites. Not terrible. gaming is smooth. Id post a screenshot but currently on the treo typing this and on the road. will post later... | |
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 gigahurtzPremium join:2001-10-20 Palm Coast, FL | I won't hold my breath Overall, I do like my AT&T service, however, their 3G coverage is lacking. My area does not have 3G, yet we have nearly 100,000 population. The surrounding areas have 3G but they are far from 3.6 Mbps. I hope AT&T works on improving their existing network along with this upgrade, but I am not holding my breath. | |
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 WhatNowPremium join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC | Fiber to rural towers We only have Edge not 3G in our area but is solid moving from one tower to another when working in the field.
The good news is one of the big tower companies that may have every carrier renting space is having fiber brought to their towers.
Hope AT&T will upgrade to 3G with a bigger pipe then T1s to the sites. | |
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the coverage area is for the 3-4 cities around the metro and the speed increase is real, it's just not everywhere. -- Mobiledog, an old timer in wireless and mobile computers | |
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