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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I can't speak for NY/NJ but... When they added 850MHz here in SoCal, it was a world of difference - primarily due to capacity.
Word has it that they fixed San Fran as well. | |
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join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA | Re: I can't speak for NY/NJ but... San Francisco is not fixed and San Jose is just as bad. Ask any iPhone or AT&T Blackberry user here. | |
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Frink
Professor
join:2000-07-13
Scotch Plains, NJ | Great planning... No one even noticed the mid-day mid-week hours long outages associated with this cut. Nice.  | |
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| SyNiSt3r
join:2007-04-26
Morristown, TN | Re: Great planning... Im wishing they would add 3g to my area. They are slower than steam off of umm.... Yea, They are slow. | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | Oh, i noticed. Couldn't make calls, internet wasn't working, all with good ole' 5 bars!
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SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA
| Close but no cigar 100,000 back haul links might sound like a lot to most people but if we put that in "T1 talk" it’s only 154,400 MB or 154 GB per second. That’s not beefing up a network that’s regular augmentation for a market that large nice PR tactic though. | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: Close but no cigar You assume all 100,000 back haul links are only DS1? | |
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SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA
| Re: Close but no cigar I have friends who work up in the New York market for AT&T mobility and that’s what they’re telling me. I know here in Seattle to they only have a couple of sites with a complete DS3. Remember to get a DS3 to a cell site you’re going to have to be close to a fiber ring you can’t deliver 37 mbps over twisted pair too far. And that info structure isn’t available for most cell sites. That’s why a lot of the carriers here are looking at microwave backhaul a few of the hardware manufactures sell gear that can go up to 1.6 GB per second. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Close but no cigar You'd be surprised to find that many areas (not rooftops) may have microwave backhaul, and many rooftop sites may be tied into metro fiber loops.
I would expect many suburban monopoles to be T1/DS3 though.
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SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA
| Re: Close but no cigar I’m not an expert on New York, all that I no about that area is what other people have told me. But in Seattle less then 10 percent of the metro buildings are hooked into the fiber ring. And the ones that are hooked up are full of data centers. And there aren’t very many monopoles or lattice towers with fiber backhaul capabilities. | |
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| jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | What makes you think it's only T1s? | |
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Hpower
Roflmao
join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA | Re: Found a way to get full speeds on Iphone in NYC hehe that's cool. Is that some converter you using or something? Ipod to USB?
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| Poor planning My question is why didn't AT&T do this from the outset? Everyone knows that 850 is better than 1900, all other things being held equal. Why didn't they deploy in the 850 band to begin with?
It seems to me that the cell phone industry is beset by poor planning. First, when GSM was being rolled out in North America on 850, all you saw overseas was tri-band 900/1800/1900 phones, as if GSM on 850 didn't even exist. I could understand that when VoiceStream/T-Mobile was the only major American GSM carrier, since they only use 1900, but when Cingular, AT&T Wireless, and Rogers announced they were moving from TDMA to GSM, that was a game-changer. Yet, for years afterward, you still saw tri-band 900/1800/1900 phones being sold. It's been only in the last couple of years that phone makers have standardized on quad-band phones. Now that 3G is launching, what do we see? Tri-band 900/1900/2100 3G phones. Uh, hello, there's also this band at 850 that's being used for 3G. Will the phone manufacturers never learn? | |
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| beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH
| Re: Poor planning One reason would be that when they started doing this a year or 2 ago there was outrage with users with non-3G phones claiming they could no longer get a connection and having a fit that they'd have to upgrade to a 3G phone. I remember seeing an article here on DSLR some time ago. Can't please everyone, but it's safe to say a majority of their userbase now has 3G equipment. | |
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| | beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Re: Poor planning And 850 band has been used on ATT/Cingular for years. Only time you had an issue was trying to use TMOBILE phone (certain models) and phones not designed for US. My 7 year old motorola has 850 band. | |
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trparky
Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
clubs: | Re: Poor planning I thought AT&T didn't have the spectrum license to operate in the 850 MHz range until just recently.
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SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA | Most of the spectrum being used by all the carriers is spoken for (being used). It’s not being held someplace special until the next big standard arrives. Except the 22 megahertz licensees ATT and Verizon bought in the 700 band. | |
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| itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| Simple - the AMPS/TDMA hole.
Before they decided on GSM, there was a HUGE amount of Legacy AMPS/TDMA @ 850. Since TDMA was compatible with AMPS this was not a problem. GSM is incompatible with both, so you basically had to run 2 networks , TDMA/AMPS and GSM. With limited spectrum that was tough to add 3G in 850 as that's where TDMA lived.
Once they were able to tun off TDMA/AMPS, they could upgrade to GSM/3G at 850.
Fortunately, the upgrade from AMPS for CDMA was largely plug and play. The upgrade path is a little easier for them. to go from AMPS/CDMA to 3G.
It will get better for AT&T going forwarg as GSM 3G is all compatible and TDMA/AMPS is DEAD! | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Poor planning Don't forget.. 3G 850MHz equipment wasn't available nearly as early as 3G 1900MHz. Many 'original' equipment may have been updated to add 850MHz radios after 1900MHz because 1900MHz was initially available in both spectrum and equipment.
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pe29pe093875
@northwestern.edu | Re: Poor planning I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the ATT TP2 will include 2100. At least I haven't seen anything thus far (maybe someone posted the FCC documents and I missed them) to indicate it will be anything besides 850/1900 UMTS ;(.
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pe23pe201284
@northwestern.edu
| You do realize it can take time to get rid of the old technologies and switch to new ones, right? 800/850 was being used by ATT and others for AMPS/TDMA for the longest time. They had to free up that spectrum & pull the plug on the older technologies in order to rollout 850 UMTS in many areas. And the rollout is not done yet.
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blacknoi
join:2004-11-06
Stanhope, NJ
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1 edit | phone calls on 3g didnt work during the upgrade On the day they were making the change here in Morris County NJ (8/21/09), for about 5-6 hours or so, phone calls on 3g wouldn't work right.
You could talk and the caller would hear you, but you couldn't hear them. The solution was to turn 3g off.
They fixed it after a few hours and via the iphones field test mode, I noted its now using 850 for 3G. | |
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| Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC | Re: phone calls on 3g didnt work during the upgrade Any speed differences now? | |
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join:2004-11-06
Stanhope, NJ
·ViaTalk
| Re: phone calls on 3g didnt work during the upgrade said by Cod  :Any speed differences now? They seem the same to me, but I only had the phone for about 1 week prior to the change.
The speed test app shows about 400 kbps average download and 100 kbps upload speeds over the past 9 days of me testing twice a day. | |
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joako
Premium
join:2000-09-07
/dev/null
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| Here in S. Florida I was having issues making calls during peak times. Some troubleshooting showed that I did not have any such issues with a Blackberry 8700 (EDGE-only). Setting the phone to dual mode instead of UMTS-only has resolved the issue and the phone always showed 3G in dual mode anyways.
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bellhead1970
@scsnet.com
| Backhall lines That's a shadow #100,000. What they have done is run a fiber connection to these cell towers which should have been done a long time ago...
T1 is a backhall line I know they didn't install 100,000 t-1's.
100,000 * $1500 a month = $15,000,000 a month or * 12
$600,000,000 a year on new plant. | |
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SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA | Re: Backhall lines ding, ding, ding | |
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| brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
| said by bellhead1970 :
That's a shadow #100,000. What they have done is run a fiber connection to these cell towers which should have been done a long time ago...
T1 is a backhall line I know they didn't install 100,000 t-1's.
100,000 * $1500 a month = $15,000,000 a month or * 12
$600,000,000 a year on new plant.
DS1's were that much 10 years ago but not anymore. | |
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SHABAZZ
join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA | Re: Backhall lines T1 circuits cost between 3 and 4 hundred a line now. But if you’re AT&T buy them from yourself and you keep the prices high for everybody else to offset the cost. | |
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ericjwill
join:2008-08-19
Williamsport, PA
 ·Current Communicat..
| Went from unusable to perfect for 3G calling in Edison, NJ I couldn't keep a 3G call for more than a minute or two in Edison, NJ. Now they complete with little if any stutter. Don't have a data plan or I'd test.
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | This is good, how do I check my area? I love the 850 mhz spec they are switching too EDGE runs so good on it before. I don't know if my area still has 3G on 1900 or 850? How would I find out? | |
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | This also happend in Connecticut Today AT&T also released info that this happened in Connecticut today. | |
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cryptmagic
Premium
join:2006-06-26
New York, NY | slow upgrade I feel that at&t is slowing upgrades as much as possible. There wireless side, and also there UVeres wired side. I feel Verizon, is more aggressive and is upgrading for the future. | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Outages & upages. So yea, there was an outage that the 611 CSA had no idea about, i was standing in exchange place for 45 minutes with no service but 5 bars. People on vz had service.
Kind of inconvenient when meeting someone via surface rapid transit that lives 2 miles away from where i was.
Next time how about send an alert to phones on that tower/rooftop set?
That being said, speeds were much faster when i could connect again.
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dachnik
@verizon.net
| Huge Improvement Let me start out by saying I've been no fan of AT&T in the past, or even now. I've been an iPhone user for over a year
I'm usually away from my home area (Essex County - Montclair, the Oranges, etc) for months at a time. I returned the last week of August after a 2 month absence and immediately noticed the difference. Notorious spots where I'd always suffer a call drop are now problem-free - connection uninterrupted. I'm on 3G all the time, at greatly increased speed, from areas where earlier I barely had EDGE access, let alone 3G.
I've also noticed much better coverage inside buildings, and in other areas that where earlier coverage was spotty at best.
So yeah - for this user, there's been a huge difference. Now if they'd just get their act together in Manhattan, LA and Silicon Valley.
I'd made up my mind earlier this Summer to switch to VZW ASAP. But if AT&T can maintain this quality improvement over the long haul, I just may stay put. | |
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@optonline.net
| Not seeing improvement I have an iphone on the 3G network. I live in Brooklyn and work in Midtown manhattan. Although my number of dropped calls and calls unable to connect are getting fewer (although it still happens far more frequently than I'd like) my main concern is my 3G network. I've had several days in the last 2 weeks where my phone is "unable to connect to the wirelesss data network" for sometimes up to 8 hours at a stretch. I've done the whole turn off and turn on the phone bit, but that never works. It's clearly a problem with the network and not with my phone. This has only happened in Manhattan but it's a becoming a regular occurrence and highly frustrating. I rely on email on the go on my phone for my job and when I can't use it for entire days it's detrimental to my career. Seeing as A T & T has a monopoly on iPhone users they need to step up and start solving the problems of their over taxed servers. | |
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Found a way to get full speeds on Iphone in NYC
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