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Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsGive us some REAL numbers. They keep saying '25 markets'. What percentage of homes in said 25 markets can actually GET Gigapower? If it's less than 1% (and it's probably far less), then you can't really say '25 markets'. You can say 'select hand picked developments', but you can't say you are providing a 'service' to a 'market' when you only cover a tiny fraction of it. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-1 6:12 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by karlmarx:Give us some REAL numbers. They keep saying '25 markets'. What percentage of homes in said 25 markets can actually GET Gigapower? Google set the bar; Ma Bell is dead. A fiber network is dung compared to hustling dancing cat videos and steeling personal information. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsThe irony is that Google Fiber doesn't target ads on the raw pipe itself. They target on the other Google services. ATT cheaper Gbit profits from your usage on the pipe itself.
As far as Google or any service giving your personal info away, no major service does that. Silly to try and play that card. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-1 8:45 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz:As far as Google or any service giving your personal info away, no major service does that. Silly to try and play that card. They all feed "targeted" ad to subscribers. That is how Google made billions. They use personal information to know what ads to target. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsYes, personal info utilized internally but not give out individual IDs directly - none do that. Even still ATT profits from usage patterns directly from the pipe while Google Fiber doesn't. GF does from services that run on top the pipe and you don't have to use Google services. GF TV does do ads on viewing habits but you can opt out and can clear history. I think it should be off by default with an opt in, but is easy to turn off in STB settings. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-1 9:22 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz:Even still ATT profits from usage patterns directly from the pipe while Google Fiber doesn't. That is false. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by batterup:said by existenz:Even still ATT profits from usage patterns directly from the pipe while Google Fiber doesn't. That is false. ATT's cheaper Gbit service watches your web browsing and targets ads... » arstechnica.com/business ··· rowsing/Google Fiber tracks direct GF pipe usage history partly for legal reasons but according to the policy they don't target ads or profit from usage on the pipe itself. They target ads on the services that run on top of the pipe.. Gmail, Chrome, and GF TV is considered a service but you can opt out. You can get GF Gbit, use no Google services and not get any targeted ads by any Google service. Although you would probably also have to set your DNS to non-Google DNS servers. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-1 9:47 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz:You can get GF Gbit, use no Google services and not get any targeted ads by any Google service. Although you would probably also have to set your DNS to non-Google DNS servers. Google builds small fiber hoods in different parts of the country to spy on people form divers backgrounds. Talk to me when the Google direct forum is up and running. That should come a few days after MCI's direct forum is up and running. | |
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said by existenz:said by batterup:said by existenz:Even still ATT profits from usage patterns directly from the pipe while Google Fiber doesn't. That is false. ATT's cheaper Gbit service watches your web browsing and targets ads... » arstechnica.com/business ··· rowsing/Google Fiber tracks direct GF pipe usage history partly for legal reasons but according to the policy they don't target ads or profit from usage on the pipe itself. They target ads on the services that run on top of the pipe.. Gmail, Chrome, and GF TV is considered a service but you can opt out. You can get GF Gbit, use no Google services and not get any targeted ads by any Google service. Although you would probably also have to set your DNS to non-Google DNS servers. I'm sure you use bing and windows phone smartphones with your google fiber. Stop drinking the koolaid. Google is selling your information the exact same way that ATT is attempting to do. There's no profit in offering a dumb fiber pipe. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsYeah I get it. This is just what Google claims. I use Chrome and Android anyway so it doesn't matter. So many Gservices automatically come when signing up with GF that it would be easy to get you into targeted ads, so is plausible they don't need to base ads on the raw pipe usage itself. They do claim they separate the raw pipe usage from the other Gservices. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-2 11:01 am
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz:Yeah I get it. This is just what Google claims. I use Chrome and Android anyway so it doesn't matter. So many Gservices automatically come when signing up with GF that it would be easy to get you into targeted ads, so is plausible they don't need to base ads on the raw pipe usage itself. They do claim they separate the raw pipe usage from the other Gservices. Google has one TOS; it is the same for Gmail as it is for Googlefiber. Google can and does read everything that is on "its" fiber. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsquote: "Technical information collected from the use of Google Fiber Internet for network management, security or maintenance may be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, but such information associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber will not be used by other Google properties without your consent," Google says. "Other information from the use of Google Fiber Internet (such as URLs of websites visited or content of communications) will not be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, except with your consent or to meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request."
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batterup
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2015-Jul-2 12:27 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz: "Technical information collected from the use of Google Fiber Internet for network management, security or maintenance may be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, but such information associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber will not be used by other Google properties without your consent," Google says. Google knows everything about everyone. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsYes, they do collect all traffic, the point was do they target ads based on the raw pipe. They claimed to Ars they don't on raw pipe, it's on the other services and gave that statement. | |
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2015-Jul-2 5:01 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsSame difference. ATT is an ISP that has to be upfront because they can't hide the "ad subsidy." Google is an advertising company that can hide behind "$70 for dumb pipe 1Gbps fiber*."
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said by existenz:quote: "Technical information collected from the use of Google Fiber Internet for network management, security or maintenance may be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, but such information associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber will not be used by other Google properties without your consent," Google says. "Other information from the use of Google Fiber Internet (such as URLs of websites visited or content of communications) will not be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, except with your consent or to meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request."
How does it feel that you let an advertising company inside your house to install a direct fiber connection to their services? "your consent OR" Most give consent by leaving settings on the default. Then there is the "or" which thanks to Snowden means all your information is connected and stored in a google database. | |
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said by existenz:...so is plausible they don't need to base ads on the raw pipe usage itself. They do claim they separate the raw pipe usage from the other Gservices. Not plausible. This is what is happening. The world's largest advertising company that also has a search engine ran the fiber. You then use all the services, running on their OS, on their devies, running on their fiber. They can claim they are the Easter bunny in the T&C; you, your life, and everyone you are now interacting with are being packaged for sale to advertisers. Stop drinking the koolaid. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsTasty koolaid....
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsAnd this is something ATT Gigapower really struggles to do... over 900M 1100 miles away on an external server (Towerstream).
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You should post in the Google forum. BTW you are not getting 1gig. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsLearn about tcp/app layer overhead vs. physical layer. I'll take 900M+ for $70, especially that gets that across country, which most other Gbit ISPs struggle to do. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-2 6:46 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz:Learn about tcp/app layer overhead vs. physical layer. VZ's advertised speed is after overhead. Google has its finger on the scale. I thought you were going to post in the Google forum. | |
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Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketsVZ does 500Mb on consumer Gbit routers, so they can overprovision. Gbit ISPs can't really provision over a Gbit because it is the limit at the physical layer of the ethernet port on the router. GF does overprovision to about 1.2Gb on the fiber side but the ethernet port still limited to Gbit physical as with all Gbit ISPs. I'm pretty sure this has been explained to you several times.
$70 for GF 900M+ vs what, $$200-300 for VZ FIOS 500M? | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-2 11:39 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by existenz:$70 for GF 900M+ vs what, $$200-300 for VZ FIOS 500M? Google is not selling broadband; they are selling you. | |
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2015-Jul-3 12:44 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by batterup:said by existenz:$70 for GF 900M+ vs what, $$200-300 for VZ FIOS 500M? Google is not selling broadband; they are selling you. Verizon did buy AOL so they will be selling personal information soon enough. AOL fiber. Times have changed. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-3 3:00 pm
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by smk11:said by batterup:said by existenz:$70 for GF 900M+ vs what, $$200-300 for VZ FIOS 500M? Google is not selling broadband; they are selling you. AOL fiber. Times have changed. The more they change the more they stay the same.
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2015-Jul-1 10:43 pm
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said by batterup:Google set the bar; Ma Bell is dead. A fiber network is dung compared to hustling dancing cat videos and steeling personal information. Nahh, if anyone set the bar it is Verizon. Nice try. | |
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batterup
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2015-Jul-2 10:59 am
Re: Yes yes, in 'parts' of marketssaid by ipv6movement :said by batterup:Google set the bar; Ma Bell is dead. A fiber network is dung compared to hustling dancing cat videos and steeling personal information. Nahh, if anyone set the bar it is Verizon. Nice try. News flash; VZ is no longer deploying FiOS so VZ has no bar. | |
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Is this the FITL upgrades????Are all these Gigapower announcements due to FITL upgrades? I have been checking this site: » ebiznet.att.com/networkr ··· outheast and haven't seen much in the way of FTTC upgrades lately. Are they even issuing the regulatory documents for FITL upgrades at this point? If the outage is very short I'd almost think the document isn't even necessary. | |
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2015-Jul-1 5:47 pm
So these do have usage capsso the caps for 1gb is 1tb of transfer. is this realistic being that google and other fiber providers don't have caps and overusage fees? | |
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2015-Jul-1 6:35 pm
high end housing developmentsUnless Hialeah has gentrified since I left Miami in 1998 there were not high end housing developments. The city had been a middle class city where the middle class had moved to newer developments. When I would say I lived in the city limits of Miami the color would drain out of the face of the person i was speaking too. When they show an aerial view of Biscayne Bay each of those little islands is an individual town where you have to stop by the police station to get across the bridge if you are not a resident. | |
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EnerJi
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2015-Jul-2 7:06 am
So Misleading"Residents and small businesses want the latest technologies and AT&T is delivering,
Riiiiiight. That's why a max of 3 Mbps is all that's been available in my part of Miami, and all that is likely to be available for the foreseeable future.
Whenever I see people complaining about Comcast, I laugh. Comcast users don't realize how good they have it. | |
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bockbock
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2015-Jul-2 2:00 pm
IFITL upgrades?"As with other markets, the service is primarily being aimed at high end housing developments where fiber is already in the ground."
So what about those FTTC (IFITL/DFITL/MX DISC*S) deployments that AT&T has chosen to neglect over the past 9-10 years? The IFITL users (whatever customer base is left of it) have it the worst. These users are still stuck at 1.5 Mbps x 256 Kbps, if they can even get that since the port speed is a blazing 10 Mbps sharing about 50 residences. I mean, how hard is it to upgrade the FTTC deployments to GPON? The fiber is already in place! Is it only a matter of replacing the ONT pedastals with an optical splitter and run that to an OLT. The GPON deployments even use significantly less power than the outdated FTTC deployments. Does AT&T even care that they are losing customers in these neighborhoods? The copper U-Verse customers in Miami got VDSL2 + bonding on 8a/17a profiles while the "fiber" customers got nothing. Bring on GPON to the undeserved FTTC communities. | |
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