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Verizon - $30 = 2 GB
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| Re: wow, just wow Do you want to build out your own national cell network? If so, how much will the gigs cost on that 
Personally, for a 4G cell network $3-$5 per GB would be wonderful. It isn't landline costs, but it also means that uploading a gig of photos doesn't cost more than buying CDs and mailing them.
Oh, and on my Epic 4G with unlimited data I don't even hit 3GB per month 90% of the time. 2GB doesn't get crossed 80% of the time. Then again, I effectively don't have 4G. | |
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| | | | | Re: wow, just wow said by iansltx:Do you want to build out your own national cell network? If so, how much will the gigs cost on that
Personally, for a 4G cell network $3-$5 per GB would be wonderful. It isn't landline costs, but it also means that uploading a gig of photos doesn't cost more than buying CDs and mailing them.
Oh, and on my Epic 4G with unlimited data I don't even hit 3GB per month 90% of the time. 2GB doesn't get crossed 80% of the time. Then again, I effectively don't have 4G.
You're ignoring that caps are completely unrelated to congestion issues on a network. Clearwire's method of throttling users at .3 mbit/second at peak hours makes far more sense, and given Verizon's and AT&T's LTE networks have much more capacity they could easily offer unlimited data during off-peak hours without a hitch.
Someone downloading stuff at 3 AM is not hurting anyone else's experience. Similarly the networks are mostly uncongested all day except in the afternoon and evenings. You can see for yourself by doing speed tests at various points in the day. Speeds shoot back up by 10 or 11 PM as people get off the network and go to bed. | |
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| Re: wow, just wow Fully aware of this...I've used mobile broadband plenty and seen those trends. But again, how would you finance building a nice, next-gen network? Higher up-front prices or coparatively lower but with overages? Though I don't disagree with you about off-peak bandwidth vs. peak.
OTOH, what I've seen of Clearwire's network is that they don't have their act together at this point. I'll blame it on crappy spectrum; 2500MHz shouldn't be used for mobile services due to its lackluster building penetration. However the fact remains that their service is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile's "4G" networks at this poin, which is why Sprint is working on pushing out LTE. | |
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2 edits | A huge pile of BS This is the biggest pile of bullsh*t I've ever heard.
So, since at&t didn't get their way, they're passing their temper tantrum (in the form of fees) to their customers?
I bet they were going to raise rates anyway if they took T-Mobile over or not.
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| | | | Re: are the days of Republicorp numbered? ATT trying to buy congress to get what it wants. it failed | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: are the days of Republicorp numbered? said by VerizonCynic:ATT trying to buy congress to get what it wants. it failed Yes, as if that was all the Republicans' fault and the only people opposed to this merger were Democrats.
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| Re: are the days of Republicorp numbered? Don't be foolish. This isn't Democrat or Republican. It's money, plain and simple. And they write the big checks to whoever happens to be in power at the time they need something done (or to not be done). Which happens to be mostly Democrats at the present. | |
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| | | | | | | said by VerizonCynic:nothing is absolute. But what I see out of congress on the repub side is not good. I am not saying Dems any good either but its less problematic that what I see from the repub side. Remember the goal of repubs is to get rid of Obama even if it means shooting usa in the foot. The justice dept and the FCC are headed by Obama appointees. The stopped ATT. Then congress sorta piled on. Pretty sure all the top people like Stephenson at ATT are big repubs as they all want romney tax rates. Also I dont recall any congressional votes on this. So who was against it etc was all talk
But your first statement was.
And who were the biggest supporters of SOPA and PIPA? Democrats with Harry Reid leading the way.
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kudos:1 | said by VerizonCynic:ATT trying to buy congress to get what it wants. it failed
AT&T was trying to buy _Congress_? How about the FCC and DOJ. | |
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as for congress approving mergers, as they control the FCC I am sure they could find a way to get it approved. Problem with DOJ is that it is not under as close congressional control like FCC so harder to stop their suit. Also that suit was in the courts and as you know the courts are the third branch of govt ..not controlled by congress
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kudos:1 | Re: are the days of Republicorp numbered? Um, Congress does not control the FCC or DOJ (really leads in your theory that the DOJ and FCC are harder to buy. But don't tell Sirius that the FCC and DOJ are difficult to buy. They did it for next to nothing and against a promise that they would never merge. | |
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New York, NY | Re: are the days of Republicorp numbered? You seem to be backpedaling pretty hard here buddy. Perhaps you should go home and rethink your (failed) argument, m'kay?  | |
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I did and the SOPA bill was proof enough. | |
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New York, NY | said by VerizonCynic:nothing in my posts wrong...no one has posted any facts to rebut anything I said
Nobody needed to! You contradicted YOURSELF.... | |
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| | | | | | | said by VerizonCynic:Its harder to "buy" FCC guys and DOJ guys as first of all they have stricter rules on them than congress, secondly the FCC and DOJ guys do not run for re-election so they dont have huge appetites for cash like legislators and finally the DOJ lawyers have much stricter ethics rules on them as attys.
Yeah, UPS had no problem buying the FCC back in 1988.
And FCC commissioners may not be elected but they sure as hell get nice jobs as lobbyist and board members after they leave the FCC.
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sometimes companies have to be TOLD what to charge rather than letting the DUOPOLY market work-- because apparent you the public are too stupid to stop paying these higher prices! | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | Re: bring on the price regulation said by tmc8080:sorry to bring on the devils advocate postition here, but:
sometimes companies have to be TOLD what to charge rather than letting the DUOPOLY market work-- because apparent you the public are too stupid to stop paying these higher prices!
too stupid? pullllease. hard to do when rape / gouge is standard operating policy for all these wireless crooks.
FWIW my phone doesn't do anything besides make/receive phone calls. | |
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| Re: bring on the price regulation said by dvd536:said by tmc8080:sorry to bring on the devils advocate postition here, but:
sometimes companies have to be TOLD what to charge rather than letting the DUOPOLY market work-- because apparent you the public are too stupid to stop paying these higher prices!
too stupid? pullllease. hard to do when rape / gouge is standard operating policy for all these wireless crooks. FWIW my phone doesn't do anything besides make/receive phone calls. $7/month prepaid tracfone works best (~$20 for 3 mos), plus carrying an android tablet around for free wifi calls (go google!). compare that with $200+ for a tablet/phone plus a data plan which is by the byte usage, plus so-called unlimited (which in reality is 3k minutes), and text which you pay extra for-- either blocks or unlimited. All this can run $80+ on a post paid account, with the average running $120 - $160 per phone and still not have unlimited data. More often than not, a prepaid service is CHEAPER than post paid. If you must keep a specific number get a dirt cheap voip service like OOMA for (AT MOST* $13) a year.
The still little known secret is that you can still carry around a cell phone for emergencies w/o service to call 911-- so a slightly used tablet phone is all you need espeically in a city where wifi bleeds everywhere. Maybe when more people "GO CHEAP" and cancel their cellphone plans in major metro markets they'll actually consider lowering the prices there.. | |
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join:2007-02-19
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| Meh, I'd go for not-regulation. With regulation, Verizon's recent double-data promotion on LTE phones probably wouldn't be doable. $80 for a 20GB data plan isn't great (Millenicom, also available on the free market, sells 20GB of Verizon 3G for $60) but it's not $10 per GB either. | |
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But hey Randall, thanks for giving us T-Mobile USA customers the new AWS spectrum and 3G roaming agreement. I'm happy with the clear calls, less congested network, and lower prices of T-Mobile and I'm looking forward to roaming on 850/1900 3G soon. | |
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Chelsea, MA | Incorrect. AT&T Corp. (1984-2005) went byebye in 2005. Remember.. SBC Communications bought AT&T Corp.(1984 to 2005) and renamed itself AT&T, Inc. (not AT&T Corporation)
This was done so all the laws that governed AT&T Corp (1984 to 2005) went away. AT&T (2005 to today) is an entirely different company, legally, since it was formerly SBC.
Of course one could argue that since SBC Communications was a combined company of Ameritech, Pacific Bell, Northwestern Bell, and other Baby Bells that were RBOC's of AT&T (Pre-1984), its still the same company. But legally its not.
Aaaaand of course this for AT&T landline service, I haven't even scratched the surface of AT&T, the wireless company, which was originally was Cingular, a joint effort between SBC and BellSouth.
The Colbert Report had a fun play on with this a few years ago..
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join:2007-02-19
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| Orly? I can get unlimited local and long distance service, where I'm sitting right now, outside the range of cable internet, from five non-AT&T providers that have their own networks (most of them cellular) that cover me. I can get this service for under $50 per month, with minimal setup fees. Text messaging, also unlimited and nationwide, doesn't change this number much.
I'll take post-breakup over pre-breakup any day. If I want expensive, high-quality service I can get a Verizon cell phone. If I want cheaper, potentially spottier service I can go with CricKet. If I want really fast internet in big cities I can go with T-Mobile and pay less, or Verizon and pay more. I *love* the options... | |
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| As usual Karl hates AT&T But AT&T should be slamming the FCC for their disaster of a labyrinthine process for buying spectrum that killed the AT&T&T deal, and has cut the spectrum up into so many little pieces, and ended up with a lot of it owned by spectrum squatters who don't own or operate networks. | |
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| MaCell Sucks They suck period. They are trying to become MaCell because they cannot be MaBell anymore... The costs are still low and it's highly profitable to charge that even tho it is less per MB imagine all those who doesn't use all their minuscule allotment. I pay $0.010 per MB it is not possible to go over here since all I got is slow 2g. Well it is but I have to download non-stop... It shows AT&T charges too much anyways. They used to have unlimited but they are too greedy to have that plan.
It can't cost them a lot. He can't go on vacation and live his lifestyle unless he rips everyone off....... To heck with them!
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| Collapse of the deal left them extra profits constrained... .... they'd so been looking forward to further control and future monopolization profit margins. Now he's upset and wants to lash out by increasing all the prices anyway.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Collapse of the deal left them extra profits constrained... Ban blue cars. Is that the model you wish for? | |
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Claims of capitalism and 'government regulation' and others words are used by people who are incapable of an actual conversation | |
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| ... ATT is lazy, not the workers, just their headquarters digging for profits... Yes, make a profit, but DAMN please put some of the money back into infrastructure already! You have landlines ya know! If you don't want to keep them sell the damn things already! | |
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kudos:2 | Re: ... Sell 'em to someone whoo appears to want them...WIndstream or CenturyLink. The prices for service will go up, but service shuld follow suit...right? | |
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| Re: ... said by iansltx:Sell 'em to someone whoo appears to want them...WIndstream or CenturyLink. The prices for service will go up, but service shuld follow suit...right?
For a solid service that I don't have to setup an antenna and pray on a regular basis that it holds a decent speed, yes I could deal with a slightly higher price for dsl as long as its usable and actually fast enough sign me the heck up! I'm paying 60 a month for wireless atm, i'll happily pay that for 3.0mbps service | |
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