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kudos:2 | Re: Bastards Why? So you can get a very costly shared data plan from Verizon instead? If network coverage doesn't matter you are better of switching to T-Mobile or Sprint if you want to save money. | |
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Winston Salem, NC | Re: Bastards Network coverage is very important to me. AT&T and Verizon both have good coverage around me, both have LTE too now, but Verizon has a little better indoor coverage in my hospital. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Bastards Right.. and all this hub bub is all over your lack of ability to use Facetime over 3G.. and just how many times have you wanted to do that now?
EVERYONE I know could care less about facetime or video chatting in the first place. EVERYONE I know call it a gimmic and think it's "fun".. but, the trends out there agree with me. People have long moved away from talking on the phone to that totally annoying form of communication of "texting".. so why would I or anyone with intelligence believe that a charge for facetime over 3G would be any major issue in the first place?
I really think this outrage is nothing more than outrage to pass time. I am NO supporter of AT&T one bit and I make NO bones about that. But, if AT&T wants to charge for facetime over 3G/Cellular Data as a premium, it's their choice. I see this as no different than charging for text messages or any other feature. Personally I think they're stupid for charging so long as people are on a metered plan.. but hey, it's their network and I see this as just a feature.
Again, I really don't think that there are masses just biting at the bit to use facebtime over the cellular connection. | |
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Winston Salem, NC | Re: Bastards The hub bub is I already pay almost $160 for 2 iPhones monthly service, to feel the need to extort more money for using that data to FaceTime is ridiculous. And I don't care what you and your friends think of FaceTime, my wife and I use it very frequently when I'm on call and stuck in the hospital overnight. There is poor wifi coverage in the call rooms and yet I get excellent cellular service so having the ability to FaceTime without wifi is actually something I'd use. Thanks.
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kudos:3 | Re: Bastards Right.. because dialing a number and calling her is just so inconvenient. People have "worked" for, well, ever.. and never needed facetime to talk to someone for a regular phone call. It's not a NEED, it's a want.. it's a luxury.. These luxuries are premiums.. you've never had it before (void a jail broke iphone) so the argument is rather suspect. | |
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Winston Salem, NC | Re: Bastards Keep trolling. | |
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| | | | Straight talk to.. Rides on T-Mobile or AT&T's network and is way cheaper | |
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| | | They will probably include facetime over 3g on their share everything plans as a way to entice/force users over.
I do understand that around 10 maybe 20 percent of the US population really cant choose anything but vzw or ATT, but for the 80/90% they really ought to vote with their wallet and look to different carriers as a way to send a signal to ATT and VZW that they wont pay this. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Bastards Why would they entice or force users? Unlike Verizon, if you haven't noticed, AT&T is keeping their old family plans. The new shared plans is an OPTION as you have a choice to sign up under the new plans or the older plans. AT&T also isn't forcing people over by eliminating the upgrade discount on handsets either.
Sorry, and this is painful for me to say, but this one I think AT&T got it right and VZ missed the boat.
It's also nice to say that AT&T discounts the smart phones when you buy higher data. If I get the 10gb plan, the smart phone lowers to $30 a piece. For 3 iPhones that would make my bill with AT&T 200 a month, not $325 that I pay now. Since none of the phones on my account go above 500mb per month, a 10gb shared plan would make perfect sense with AT&T. | |
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| | | | Re: Bastards agreed, its way cheaper, if you don't mind buyin your phone off ebay or using your current one its perfect | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Bastards yeah, because who would want to save money buying their phone off eBay....that's just stupid.
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| said by Count Zero:Between charging for FaceTime and releasing a very costly shared data plan I may pay the EFT to switch to Verizon this fall.
The biggest joke is that most WCDMA 3G carriers abroad have had video calling for over 10 years now. | |
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Brewster, WA | Re: Bastards said by Telco:said by Count Zero:Between charging for FaceTime and releasing a very costly shared data plan I may pay the EFT to switch to Verizon this fall.
The biggest joke is that most WCDMA 3G carriers abroad have had video calling for over 10 years now. You're going to make people's head explode with those facts.
Too many people stuck in the US culture of thinking all these fancy features are difficult to provide and very costly and something actually new when they are marketed to them.
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Gulf Breeze, FL | Re: Bastards Also forgot to mention that with many providers abroad all incoming calls are free. Even on prepaid. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Bastards Yea.. Nextel, then Sprint had that for years. And what people ALSO often forget is that there is often a price to pay to call between landline and cell phones.
Check that grass before you call it greener next time.
And still I ask, who the hell is going to run around video calling each other. Hell, the webcam has been around on computers for a long time and still people don't use them all that much either. Well, the desire for people to "web cam" each other (=webporn) was a great initial boom for web cams of course. | |
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kudos:8 | Or use any other video chat application such as Google Talk, which has built in video chatting capabilities for free! | |
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|  HarleyYacYacoPremium
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| Greedy gits! Apple should call there bluff and not enable "Facetime" on their network with IOS6 for Cellular with those restrictions. They other wireless co's may or may stop in their tracks.
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| | who's going to pay Seriously... it is a niche market for non-work related situations.
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay said by cool_coda:Seriously... it is a niche market for non-work related situations. I agree. Do that many people really video chat with their mobile devices? | |
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| Re: who's going to pay said by openbox9:said by cool_coda:Seriously... it is a niche market for non-work related situations. I agree. Do that many people really video chat with their mobile devices? I saw people trying to be very conspicuous about it a few times when it was new. Other than that? Can't recall a single time when I've seen people using video chat.
Now I have seen a bunch of d-bags with laptops using Skype in public places....
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay said by mob:I saw people trying to be very conspicuous about it a few times when it was new. Other than that? Can't recall a single time when I've seen people using video chat. I can't recall ever seeing a person video chat with a mobile device. Maybe it's a college/high school thing? | |
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join:2000-10-07 | Re: who's going to pay It was at the airport, she looked like she was in her 40's or older. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay Hmm, so a Mom trying to act cool with her kids? | |
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| | | | said by openbox9:I agree. Do that many people really video chat with their mobile devices?
When my wife was in Europe for 2 months we skyped & facetimed every day from our iphones...
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay So, two people for two months. How was your experience? I think I would find the small screen annoying? | |
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00000 | Yes. Smartphones with front facing cameras and 4G allow for nice quality video chat. Much easier than turning on a computer and sitting in one spot for 20 minutes. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay Yea, I much prefer a 4" screen over my 24" monitor to do a lot of things...especially video chatting. Turning on a computer? And do you actually walk around while video chatting for 20 minutes? My point is, I believe that Facetime use likely occupies a fairly small percentage of iPhone users' time. | |
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00000 | Re: who's going to pay You asked who is using a smartphone for video chat (Facetime, Skype, other), and clearly there are many people doing it -- not just high school of college kids. Those numbers are increasing as the network speeds increase and there are more phones with cameras that can handle it.
The advantage of using a mobile camera is that you can point the feed to another person, child, animal, or project wherever you have a signal. You know the advantages of having a mobile phone or even a cordless home phone? Those are some of the same advantages of mobile video chat.
Whether or not you prefer to have an immobile video chat in front of your computer instead of a smartphone is another conversation. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay So, some people video chat on a mobile device. I don't video chat on my computer, so maybe that's why I don't understand the allure of Facetime and other video chat apps. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: who's going to pay You do this on your phone?said by ptrowski:In a time of emails and texts it's nice to be able to have a "real" conversation. You could always use your phone as a phone as well. I guess I'm too old. | |
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| Re: who's going to pay said by openbox9:You do this on your phone? said by ptrowski:In a time of emails and texts it's nice to be able to have a "real" conversation. You could always use your phone as a phone as well. I guess I'm too old. Yes you can and we do. But seeing a loved ones face never gets old now does it? | |
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Yes. We enjoy our family. | |
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kudos:5 | said by cool_coda:Seriously... it is a niche market for non-work related situations.
Why pay extra for Facetime over and above the data traffic fees. If you have to video chat you can use Skype or other products for free.
And why MIGHT AT&T or Verizon want to charge an extra fee when they can make plenty of money on users of Facetime going over their caps and then paying big overage fees.
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| | | | Re: who's going to pay You're assuming they won't start blocking other video chat applications. Carriers in a number of countries do just that.
As for why they'd want to charge vs. allowing people to exceed their caps, you're assuming that using Facetime after paying said fee won't still count against data. I'm not so sure.
About the only way I could see this being close to fair is if people had a choice: pay a small fee for unlimited Facetime, or don't pay a fee and have it count against data usage. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Duh
I'm honestly surprised that Apple isn't putting its foot down against this, especially since other users here have pointed out there are other alternatives (Skype) which will not incur such a fee.
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| Re: Duh said by pnh102:That means yes.
I'm honestly surprised that Apple isn't putting its foot down against this, especially since other users here have pointed out there are other alternatives (Skype) which will not incur such a fee.
Skype? Apple has shown that it can sell a multitude of devices and that that is all it cares about. Putting it's foot down? That's rich my friend. 
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Duh said by spewak:Skype? Apple has shown that it can sell a multitude of devices and that that is all it cares about. Putting it's foot down? That's rich my friend. I don't think this is the Apple you're looking for.
Apple was probably the only device manufacturer that was successful in keeping phone companies from installing bloat and other crapware on their phones. It has no problem getting providers to agree to even the most draconian of terms in exchange for allowing said provider to offer the iPhone.
With these facts in mind, why would Apple allow for AT&T to hand a competitive advantage to other devices which can run Skype and do voice chats over data (not Wifi), but which cannot do FaceTime? I'm sure Google would *love* for AT&T to allow for them to say "hey if you use voice chat with the iPhone you gotta pay more but if you do it with any Android device, you don't."
I'm still convinced that a FaceTime fee will be imposed unless it is proven otherwise... that's just how the cellular industry rolls these days.
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kudos:2 | Re: Duh said by pnh102:It has no problem getting providers to agree to even the most draconian of terms in exchange for allowing said provider to offer the iPhone. Did you miss out on some of the silliness that AT&T forced on the Apple customers during the first three years of exclusivity? While Apple may be able to extract big chunks of money out of the carriers for its "must have devices", it doesn't have the carriers by the throats.said by pnh102:I'm sure Google would *love* for AT&T to allow for them to say "hey if you use voice chat with the iPhone you gotta pay more but if you do it with any Android device, you don't." Just wait  | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Duh said by openbox9:Did you miss out on some of the silliness that AT&T forced on the Apple customers during the first three years of exclusivity? While Apple may be able to extract big chunks of money out of the carriers for its "must have devices", it doesn't have the carriers by the throats. I do remember, you could do things with the original iPhone on foreign cellular providers that you couldn't do with AT&T, but these were due mainly to AT&T's network sucking at the time. Also don't forget that Verizon balked at offering the iPhone initially because of these requirements.
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| Both say it's too early. Verizon and AT&T both say it's too early because they haven't come to an agreement on what each other will charge. You know they don't just make major changes like that without getting a behind the scenes agreement for the other to follow suit. They may be separate companies but the collusion is so bad between them that they might as well merge. | |
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| | It doesn't matter if they charge or do not charge.... ....most people will still pay for it and will NOT cancel their service or lose their precious iPhones. They could charge double for iPhone service and people would still be lined up around the block waiting to be signed up just to get the latest iPhone even if all it does is improve the buttons.
Pay full price for an iPhone and then try and take it to another carrier? HA! That's a whole different argument that only a few people would do but not the majority. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: It doesn't matter if they charge or do not charge.... Oh can the iPhone lover crap.. lemme guess, a droid-fanatic? Seriously.. it's old move on!
AT&T has been charging the $20 for phone as a modem service on iPhone and I don't believe that mindless iPhone users everywhere are lining up to pay the monthly fee.
Seriously.. what the hell do you care and what does it matter to you? Just pick the damn phone that works best for you, as it's clear you have already done that, and stop worrying about what someone else does is or is doing.
And stop thinking that the line of half ass crappy android based phones that come out don't have all their own fanatics like iPhone does. You guys seem to think you're somehow exempt from being called a fanboi for your own opinions and likes. Get over yourself already. | |
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| | | | Re: It doesn't matter if they charge or do not charge.... said by fiberguy:Oh can the iPhone lover crap.. lemme guess, a droid-fanatic? Seriously.. it's old move on!
AT&T has been charging the $20 for phone as a modem service on iPhone and I don't believe that mindless iPhone users everywhere are lining up to pay the monthly fee.
Seriously.. what the hell do you care and what does it matter to you? Just pick the damn phone that works best for you, as it's clear you have already done that, and stop worrying about what someone else does is or is doing.
And stop thinking that the line of half ass crappy android based phones that come out don't have all their own fanatics like iPhone does. You guys seem to think you're somehow exempt from being called a fanboi for your own opinions and likes. Get over yourself already.
Never said the android fanatics don't have their proponents but the iPhone is a whole different can of worms.
I personally have never stood in line for any phone but I have friends that have stood in line for the new iPhone and they were willing to pay any price for them so that demographic does exist.
I stand by my statement. iPhone people will gladly pay more just for the privilege of having the iPhone.
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kudos:3 | Re: It doesn't matter if they charge or do not charge.... who cares...?
what does it matter? people stand in lines all the times. For movies, for restaurants, for nightclubs, for androids, for black Friday and no matter what the line is being stood in for, there's always some joker that stands back pointing the finger that someone stands in a line and will pay what ever.. who cares. And by the way, I happened to stand in one of those lines once.. only paid the $199 upgrade.. and I did so because I was going out of town and wanted to get my phone before I left so I could actually do the transfer and sync. I guess I'm one of those people?? ... assume much?
Not everyone standing in those lines are paying full price for those things "for the privileged"..
You people really need to knock the crap off and grow up. What other people do is up to them and who are you to judge? I'm sure if we stood back and took a look at your life there'd be plenty to judge about you. Got it? Don't worry about anything others are doing that doesn't affect you. And don't think your life is any more wholesome either. I seriously don't get the need to tear other people down.. I mean, does that make you feel better about your self? You should try to stop acting like you know every thing about everyone doing everything they do. | |
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Pot...meet kettle.
You see the fanaticism in cell phones all the time. iPhones have the advantage of being the only platform with iOS. They also have the disadvantage of being the only platform with iOS. So while you will have Android fans fight over Samsung vs. Motorola vs. HTC, there is only one iPhone. And those iPhone users are very loyal (as Verizon found out the hard way when they first rejected Apple.)
Now, Facetime is the standard video chat software for iPhone. Skype is an alternative but there are complaints about its features on Apple products. Now, what would happen if Apple decides to dump Skype, and any other video chat software, from iTunes? Unless you jailbreak, you are stuck with Facetime and if ATT or Verizon or Sprint want to charge extra, subscribers are stuck with either paying or dropping their iPhones (not very likely.)
Will people protest? Definitely. Will people switch? Not really. Will some pay the extra fee? Very likely. | |
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| | 3g unrestrictor seriously, been using it for over 2 years, and facetime over 3G works flawlessly. Its just another way to extract more money from consumers wallets. | |
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Manorville, NY | Re: 3g unrestrictor said by Chubbysumo:seriously, been using it for over 2 years, and facetime over 3G works flawlessly. Its just another way to extract more money from consumers wallets.
Agreed.. But for the masses that dont know any better, its just another way for them to make money.. | |
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Lakewood, OH | facetime charge for unlimited customers Just speculating, but i bet the facetime charge is for unlimited data users. i bet the share everything style plans allow it for free, but use up the data faster which is what the carrier would want. increased usage that is billable. | |
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Howell, MI | Why do people even use facetime? Get Tango, its compatible with your Android friends and there is no risk of "Facetime Fees" | |
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This stuff happens all the time. It just hasn't happened here...yet. | |
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Oh wait, I forgot we are talking about the cowsumers....
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kudos:1 | Re: Pay??? said by beans :I still don't see a reason to pay for facetime. I can just keep using wifi. Last time I checked video quality over cellular is just plain awful. Have you seen the iphones quality over cellular lately, just for playing youtube videos? Apple is just plain lazy. Other phone makers have been doing hd video for the past few years over cellular, yet apple still cant get it together and make HD video playback over cellular.
Things might change once LTE radios are added. | |
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kudos:3 | with a jailbroken iPhone you can lift the data rate at which youtube videos steam. I get wifi quality video on my 3G iPhone.. looks great! | |
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| | ...ha people will just use it on wifi or just use Skype.. AT&T cant have it both ways on everything and that's exactly what they are trying to do | |
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| In the meantime.... I get to use Google Talk's voice and video calling over WiFi OR UMTS/3G on my Nokia N9, built right into the phone app (with a choice of which camera I want to use, I might add), without T-mobile having to give so much as a rat's fart as to what I'm doing with the bandwidth I have already PAID for, thank you very much. Yes, I don't have service in some spots out in the sticks, but I think I'll stick to paying for good service in the places where I spend ~ 95% of my time, and actually GET decent service on a properly-engineered (from both an RF and backhaul/IP config perspective) network.
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