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| It's so hard to read the words that come.. out of this companies mouth about this.
"It's the cable industry" that's behind the vrad opposition they say.
Well..jeesh..I wonder if it might be the homeowners who have these refrigerators planted on their lawns and streets that really might be the ones with the problem?
AT&T..can you try to get a clue about this?
The problem people have with you is your bullying of communities..your "damned we're doing this whether you like it or not" attitude.
And your rollout of a project that should simply never have seen the light of day...AKA..Uverse.
Don't your executives read the news? Read the BBR forums?
Read ANYTHING about what is occurring in the industry?
HDTV and HSI..particularly for the NEXT generation simply isn't going to cut it delivered via old copper twisted pair lines.
And when you are shaking up communities installing these vrads to deliver something like that..it gives even more reason for people to say...WHY? And to say..it simply shouldn't be allowed.
People, Including myself..have no opposition whatsoever to what Verizon is doing. They are also disrupting communities..but doing so in such a way as to be RESPECTFUL to the communities..and RESPECTFUL to the law..and RESPECTFUL to what is truly a next generation product.
People in turn..can RESPECT that. And RESPECT the efforts of that company in their effort to compete.
This is not the CABLE INDUSTRY behind it.
It is PEOPLE..your potential CUSTOMERS..and non customers alike..who are behind it. And who are saying to you..
You need to change.
Or you are going to not make it.
You are not going to make it by blaming everyone else.
The blame sits squarely on your own shoulders. On the decision makers..who have devised such a poor..
such a failed strategy for tomorrows world.
As of last quarters report..you had amassed less than 400,000 customers for Uverse. Is that because of the cable industry? Is that because of rants of people like me who have been very vocal about this?
Or is it quite simply..that no one really wants what it is you have to sell?
I say it's the latter.
Without a doubt.
What is occurring here at BBR is a microcosm of the community. Look at the verizon forum talk. Look at the excitement around Fios. The people who want it..welcome it..
anticipate it.
And then look at Uverse forums and talk around this website.
The exact opposite for the most part.
AT&T..this is YOUR Fault.
No one elses.
Stop blaming people. And get with the program.
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| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. par·a·graph (pr-grf)
n.
1. A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words.
2. A mark ( ¶ ) used to indicate where a new paragraph should begin or to serve as a reference mark.
3. A brief article, notice, or announcement, as in a newspaper.
tr.v. par·a·graphed, par·a·graph·ing, par·a·graphs
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. said by battleop  :par·a·graph (pr-grf) n. 1. A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words. 2. A mark ( ¶ ) used to indicate where a new paragraph should begin or to serve as a reference mark. 3. A brief article, notice, or announcement, as in a newspaper. tr.v. par·a·graphed, par·a·graph·ing, par·a·graphs To divide or arrange into paragraphs. Just looking at your past experience on these forums, I think even you could learn from your own definition.
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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It's cool, I'm takin it back
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| What a butt munch, you can't fault what Rick said so instead you take the limp wristed way out by gracing us with your stunning ablilty to cut and paste crap from someplace else. In otherwords who died and made you the grammer God.
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Covington, LA | Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. Rick's been persistantly rebutted and proven wrong. He just says the exact same thing anytime someone mentions U-verse. So it's gotten to the point where there's no use arguing on the merits as Rick can't be honest anyway. | |
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Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX
| I don't care what he said, I'm sick of reading and listening to crap from people who cannot even comprehend the basics of sentence construction. Learn how to speak and write, or just keep it to yourself.
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Eustis, FL |  It is not fair to criticize someone for grammatical issues. At least they took the time to display their thoughts on this forum. | |
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00000 | Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. Read this »Why on Earth... and you will understand what I am talking about. | |
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| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. said by battleop :Read this » Why on Earth... and you will understand what I am talking about. Why do we have read other posts to figure out you're obviously just stalking Rick. Get a life. He made some very valid points. | |
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Covington, LA | Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. C'mon. 2002 and you don't know Rick? No one stalks him. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | I personally don't criticize his grammar, however, a well written and thought out statement typically makes a point clear, and more people will read concise statements.
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Rick
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| I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I was entering a literary contest. I've always viewed my posts here at BBR as being more or less in blog form and the spaces in the post above were intended to place emphasis on each particular thought and opinion I expressed.
If that troubled you then please accept my apologies.
As a poster below notes however, I highly doubt it's that which troubles you. Instead, you and others continually stalk my posts regarding Uverse..seeking to undermine my posts and credibility with personal attacks rather than to address the issue at hand.
While you may see that as effective, personally I see it as falling on deaf ears. Because it's not what I say or think that is causing Uverse to be so unpopular, it's what the service is itself that is causing that.
As I noted above, nationwide....after all this time..as of their last quarterly report...AT&T managed to scrounge together 400,000 customers. And, I was even being generous with that number because the truth was even more shocking.
I say shocking because even as negative as I've been on the service from day one, I could never have imagined it would be THAT bad...given the size of this company and the huge parts of this country they serve. And, that's even with a roll out in their own corporate backyard where they probably spoon fed their employees the service like Kool aide at Jim Jones meeting.
Guess what? Let me clue you in about something if you haven't grasped it yet. Or, still refuse to grasp it.
That is a total failure. A washout of enormous proportions.
And anyone not accepting that still believes that Hillary will be President this year.
From virtually day one I have warned that this was absolutely the wrong road however for AT&T to go down. Here in my home state, this issue has been front and center stage, with vrads hanging off telephone polls and what seems to be a continual legal struggle for AT&T with regulators and the court. What we also are is home to cable providers like OOL and Comcast, who are delivering in terms of present and next generation speeds and services.And, we're surrounded by Verizon and their fios rollout.
Whether you choose to accept it or not, that gives me what I believe is a very unique perspective into not only the services themselves, but the way that each is approaching this from a business perspective.
Tell me, how could I not be negative..surrounded by the likes of Fios and fiber/coax networks with their amazing speeds and capabilities...and then compare that to an attempt such as AT&T is rolling out..clamping refrigerator sized boxes to telephone polls..to attach to old twisted pair copper lines?
I think that any REASONABLE, NON AT&T AFFILIATED...Technologically oriented person, would have exactly the same reaction that I have to it.
And that is, that it's simply a failure.
And I'm sorry to have to say that..because AT&T can, and should..do better.
~Rick
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| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. Rick, you've been rebutted constantly in all your false assertions but you simply ignore them and prattle on. YOU said hysterically that VRADs were going to cause people to be injured or die in traffic accidents. Where are the body bags? You said it wasn't going to sell well. Well from launch their TV services is selling as well as Verizon's TV service at much lower cost to AT&T than FiOS is to Verizon.
You constantly hemhaw about the details and tyou've reached the point where you're more of a joke than aything else. You're completely mental. | |
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Rick
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| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. lol. I guess when the facts aren't there to support your rants..you just make them up.
I said "hysterically" that people were going to die in traffic accidents because of Vrads?
LOL! You're really grasping at new lows in your attempt to discredit me with that statement.
And, the funny thing is, you say I've been rebutted "repeatedly"..but I have yet to see one at all. Just wild statements like this one.
And, it's because you well know that the numbers as of last quarter were exactly as I have stated. And that I was even being generous at that.
After all this time..less than 400,000 customers.
What a disaster Uverse is.
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. We won't be signing up for Uverse for much the same reason we won't be signing up for Comcast TV: DirecTV has been very good to us.
Alas, Comcast penalizes you for not bundling TV with their Internet service.
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| You can deny that around this time last year you said that VRADs would cause accidents.
Why not.
You're a known liar and have no credibility.
Also you consistently ignore that AT&T Uverse started a whole year later than FiOS.
btw... I typed this in your poorly formed style hoping that it'd help you read it better. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| Hell with it, I was going to let you deny it outright first but you kinda already did...
»Re: I couldn't believe my eyes.....
said by Rick :The only impact i'm worried about when it comes to Uverse is that a car might swerve and hit one of those monstrosities hanging off of telephone poles at street level. It's sure to kill someone. | |
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Covington, LA | Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. And that concludes this show as Rick has run off... again. | |
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| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. said by bogey780 :And that concludes this show as Rick has run off... again. :pokes head back in sand: | |
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yock
The Internet Is For Porn
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Fairfield, OH
| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. said by supergirl :Actually, with the massive foreclosures, property values suck anyway and AT&T is deploying this stuff where nobody will live anymore soon.  Actually, there are U-Verse cabinets behind my girlfriend's apartment, so they're servicing rental properties too. | |
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San Jose, CA
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| said by supergirl :Or, you can make sure the water sprinkler hits it 4 hours a day at night.  "Oh, it rained all day, the night I left,
the weather it was dry. The sun so hot I froze to death..."
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yock
The Internet Is For Porn
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Fairfield, OH | In order to spin this as a positive they needed a villain, and that villain could never be their customers. So they blame a faceless entity that can't defend itself: the cable industry. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: It's so hard to read the words that come.. said by yock :So they blame a faceless entity that can't defend itself: the cable industry. "Slowskys". "More fiber than the telcos". I think you left off the sarcasm tags.
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| MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
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| Yo, Rick, there is one small fact you seem to have overlooked:
AT&T installs in EASEMENTS.
Where they have the RIGHT to install.
Under CONTRACT.
That they have PAID FOR.
And, now, AFTER THE FACT, the homeowners come crying:
YOU BIG BAD AT&T. YOU USED THE EASEMENT THAT YOU BOUGHT!!!
(sorry I couldn't help mocking your style)
What actually happens in cases like this is taxpayers and ratepayers subsidize buying out these whiners, or spending extra money to find other spots for install.
I don't blame AT&T one bit for threatening to pull out. Why should they have to spend more resources than the cable companies to provide service? | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| i sure hope no executive would read ANYTHING at this site. i'd classify this site more as a personal blog run by a few people with forums than a 'news' site. also paragraphs with logical flow and something called SENENTENCES. phrases are kind of awkward to read and annoying to read over and over again. i gave up reading the rest of your 'post' because of the lack of the things i have pointed out, as have others pointed at too. | |
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join:2007-03-03
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| well, I think I could live with a powered box. It's as least better than this one that comcast provides:
It still makes me wonder what they(comcast) offered Janice's family. Probably $255 and free cable for a year! Ok a little better than the goverment! If AT&T's method is failing, then I fail to see the pine box presented. Last I checked, no one died from a Uverse install. It seems to me, and of course I could be observing like you are, it seems that AT&T's no effort Uverse is still better than comcast's best effort. Besides, Comcast is deploying their own lawn fridge and making fun of at&t.
I dunno about you, and I could be off, but last time my parents had a service problem. They didn't have to think if they might die or not. I will have to ask them next time I talk to them if it crossed their minds. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | They use these threats all the time. "Our way or the Highway" is another way to put it. | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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Hollywood, FL
| This again? I know a lot of folks have complained about these things, and I know there have been a good number of people on these forums who've said basically "tough crap, deal with it" or "I'd love to have one here!"
Of course generally none of these folks have actually had one plunked down in front of their house, so it's a pretty funny read.
I can totally understand where the folks who have had the things dropped in are coming from, although there is certainly some degree of "what else can we do?" at play here.
Certainly if you have an easement in the back yard between properties like our old place did, that would be the ideal location. From the photo included here that seems to be th case although there isn't much context there.
What I think is really unacceptable are the ones they drop immediately in front of the house. Easement or not, what you can do and what you should do are different. Those certainly would effect a property's value.
Too bad really AT&T wants to compete but in doing so this is what they come up with. And no AT&T it isn't the cable industry that's behind it, LOL what a laugh.
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| NormanS
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| Re: This again? said by GlobalMind :Of course generally none of these folks have actually had one plunked down in front of their house, so it's a pretty funny read. I have not actually seen any plunked down in anybody's yard around here. I'll keep my eyes open as I travel about San José; but, to date, all the VRADs I've seen installed have been adjacent to existing B-Boxes, usually in what I've called, "parking strips". Generally between the public sidewalk and the public street. And on the side yards of adjacent properties.
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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| Re: This again? said by NormanS :I have not actually seen any plunked down in anybody's yard around here. Yea I think it was on this site I saw a pic where it had been placed in what I am sure was classified as an easement but really it was right between - but in that front of - two houses. It may have been the one that exploded & melted the guy's siding on the garage or some such thing.
Now, I am in a gated development, the sidewalks belong to the community (not "the public" per se). The closest phone gear by me is a couple houses down, obscured by bushes and painted green. You really don't see them unless you're looking.
On the other hand we have plenty of cable co capsules which are in front of the house but generally next to someone's driveway. During hurricanes the covers of which can be found a few hundred yards away. 
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join:2001-11-25
Chicago, IL
| Not Worth It I wouldn't want that ugly thing in my yard for a wimpy 6Mbps DSL service. pffft. 
And yes, the 1st poster's comment was terribly formatted and just as ugly to look at as those VRADs. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: Not Worth It Acgtually it's 10Mb/s service. Also if you wanted 25Mb/s service you'd need one. | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Not Worth It said by bogey780 :Acgtually it's 10Mb/s service. Also if you wanted 25Mb/s service you'd need one. T would have to *offer* 25mbps before you could get it. the other 15mbps is for VIDEO.
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Covington, LA | Re: Not Worth It I meant it in regards to the assertion they should have just focused on increased speed. Even if they focused only on internet speeds, you'd still need a cabinet. | |
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RR User
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| I can only see one benefit having one of those things on your yard. At such a short distance from the home, your VDSL gateway should be synced at 100-200 Mbps, easy. AT&T should offer those that do have to put up with these things on their yard with service that makes use of all that speed, instead of just capping the internet to 10 Mbps, leaving TV to chew up the rest, which it possibly cant.
So if you could get 50-100+ Mbps internet plus enough capacity to drive every HD tv in your house simultaneously, is it worth it? I know it's bigger than a satellite dish... but with some creative landscaping, you could at least make it look like your trying to hide it. lol | |
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swhitney2003
quack.
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Weare, NH | Re: Not Worth It Build a walled garden around the VRAD :-P | |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
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clubs: | AT&T opposed to "retroactive consent"?
AT&T is opposed to "retroactive consent" when it comes to lawn fridges, but when it comes to retroactive immunity they are all for it.
consistently horrible. | |
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| Stop Whining I say put them there and screw what people think about it, People are going to complain no matter what anyways. | |
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| smokarz
join:2006-07-24
West Hartford, CT | Re: What is needed is utility easment police. if i have one of these boxes on my lawn, i'll call the cable guy out and have them blow it up into pieces. | |
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| Re: What is needed is utility easment police. said by smokarz :if i have one of these boxes on my lawn, I'll call the cable guy out and have them blow it up into pieces. The economy is doing more damage to your property value than any V-RAD in your yard ever will. How much do think it knock of the price of your 5 million dollar house?
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What is needed is utility easment police.
Unfortunately there seems to be no coordination between the various utility companies as to where they place their equipment cabinets. Unfortunately one homeowner won the hardware on utility easement lottery. They wound up with a Telephone Company Subscriber Line Carrier Cabinet and Terminal Box, Power Company Isolation Switch and Cable Company Node on their property. Almost their entire utility easement was filled with utility company cabinets. There should be a limit to the number of cabinets placed on one homeowners utility easement.