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| said by fifty nine:Are you willing to pay more to fund network upgrades? AT&T is about to spend 39 billion, they don't need customers to pay more for network upgrades. | |
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| How much more do you think we should pay? I already pay $180-190 too much for wireless service now. Its the same old thing as the BellSouth/Cingular merger cheat the customers with bad service. I remember talking to a BellSouth tech working on the DSL box on my property and he was telling me AT&T had told BellSouth they had to have 1 billion in cash reserves for the merger to go through and was complaining about the truck they made him drive (paint was pealing off in large areas and old) he also said they stopped spending money on network maintenance and upgrades to save money. We still have the old Cingular edge 2g networks from that merger, AT&T is still 80% 2g across the country, that never got upgraded but they loads of cash to buy other companies instead of improving service. AT&T has lots of money for buying sprees but not thinking to ever give customers value like 4G LTE across the country they started calling 3G in major cities with fiber backhual, usually it's T-1 lines 1.5 up and down backhaul, 4G when will they phase out the old 2G edge networks? Maybe when the buy Verizon and Sprint. Don't even get me started on how bad the dsl network got after the merger didn't say we would all have fiber to the home if we let that deal get approved maybe if we wished hard enough maybe they will upgrade the dsl networks with fiber! | |
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said by fifty nine:
"Are you willing to pay more to fund network upgrades?" ______________________________________________
Hogwash.
These companies do business in Europe where they are forced to charge less and provide decent service because they aren't allowed to gouge consumers like our government allows them to gouge us, yet they make very good profits and manage to deliver. It is just as possible to upgrade and maintain their systems here (to actually provide what they are advertising when we sign up) with the even Larger profits they are making off of us. They just don't because they know they don't have to.
We aren't going to give up our cell phones, internet, and WiFi no matter how frustrated or angry we are and they know it. Just more profit for the stockholders and humongous salaries and bonuses for top management. As the larger companies keep buying up the smaller or weaker, there is less choice, thus they Really don't have to deliver. Who are we going to turn to for better?
Now that we've evolved into an anti-government/anti-regulation populace for the most part, government isn't gong to do squat about it. Instead, government continues to ignore our own anti-monopoly laws. Except for a very few lone voices among them (like two or three), our self-serving, ineffectual legislators give them free merging and buy up passes. So much for competition. | |
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| The last paragraph made me laugh... So they are outright admitting their network stinks? Also I wonder how many people are still on the unlimited plan....
"But even as we pursue this additional measure, it will not solve our spectrum shortage and network capacity issues. Nothing short of completing the T-Mobile merger will provide additional spectrum capacity to address these near term challenges." | |
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 |  atuarreHere come the drumsPremium join:2004-02-14 College Station, TX | Re: The last paragraph made me laugh... said by ptrowski:So they are outright admitting their network stinks? Also I wonder how many people are still on the unlimited plan....
"But even as we pursue this additional measure, it will not solve our spectrum shortage and network capacity issues. Nothing short of completing the T-Mobile merger will provide additional spectrum capacity to address these near term challenges." They mean, they want more spectrum, and probably have spectrum for 4G already available, but want to have their spectrum and get some more also to sit on. | |
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| Re: AT&T already throttles here It's dynamic UP AND DOWN depending on people around you using their mobile devices on the same network/cell site/BTS/nodeB/etc.
Wireless technology is INHERENTLY SHARED.
Surrounding counties probably have LESS POPULATION DENSITY and loading factor.
Go to a rural area upgraded with HSPA+ 21 and see how one can get 11Mbps down. Or test @ 3am.
The reason wired doesn't is because wired has enough capacity on the last mile to take all the demand (and upgrades /w IP-DSLAM, DOCSIS 3.0+, FTTH/GPON, etc/.) | |
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| You know something You know something I am getting sick and tired of everybody bitching and complaining that they want more bandwidth but not willing to pay for higher bandwidth. Just think these companys have to pay more and more money for equipment to handle the higher bandwidth. Yes it does cost alots of money for newer and faster technology to handle Larger Bandwidth and Users.
Also just think if they upgrade the equipment and bandwidth pipe how do you think they are going to get there ROI back? I dont care how much they have they would have to get it back some how that means they would charge more for higher bandwidth.
I dont blame these mobile carriers for throttling it just going to show if you want more bandwidth your just going to pay more for higher bandwidth end of story. | |
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They have $39 billion to spend on T-Moble, yet they don't have money to invest in their backhaul? They made $3.6 billion this previous quarter, yet they don't have money to invest in their backhaul? They have more spectrum than Verizon and yet they are in a spectrum crunch and can't survive without T-Mobile?
All of that without them having to charge additional rates. But even then, they did just implement caps with overages so they can now have access to another revenue stream. So how is it they are giving up "all" their bandwidth and not making vast amounts of cash on it? | |
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Plus they get all that done immediately without waiting years for a real build out.
If you were a business executive in AT&T, there's little alternative but buying T-mobile. Keeps the investors happy, your fat compensation keeps rolling in, compatible technologies, and the customers have little choice with only two other primary competitors. | |
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| Re: You know something said by iLive4Fusion:They could just buy Spectrum from one of the spectrum hoarding company. Who would that be? Who would they buy from, and which spectrum is available?
All they are going to do is turn around and shut down T-Mobiles HSPA+ infrastructure and migrate everyone over ASAP. Indeed they are.
They claim they are doing it for the AWS spectrum. But thats pathetic, its not like they are going to build out rural areas with AWS spectrum anyways. 700Mhz is needed, they are already behind Verizon and this isn't going to help. Haha, right. Well, tell that to ATT. You can build out a good sized network with AWS. They'll use their 700mhz spectrum in some areas, but they have more AWS spectrum than 700 spectrum already. With T-Mobile they'll have even more in many markets, plus they'll have nationwide spectrum.
I'm always disappointed when I see people who equate poor network engineering (Clear/ATT), or business decisions (TMO/ATT/Sprint) with spectrum limitations.
Whatever the spectrum, so long as the network is properly engineered (with proper cell sizes, microcells/picocell deployments, and correct carrier-usage it doesn't matter what spectrum is used - all spectrum can be used for rural or urban deployments. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Re: You know something said by hoch51 :buying t-mobile will not accomplish any rural return for at&t. T-mobile is city oriented with contracts with rural carriers to suplement their lines. In eastern Colorado, we use a Cross-tie with Viaero for service. Their network is shakey at times and service goes from excelent to marginal in a heartbeat. spectrum has less to do with it than poor distribution oif towers and maintenance on that equipment. They just do not want anyone else getting their hands on the system as it will impact their size ratio to Sprint and Verizon. Both companies need t- mobile also. Their signal structure sucks out here. The viaero contract and many others like it are the pursued portions for these giants in communications. on an interesting note, I *just* went on another drive from St Louis to Denver and experienced precisely what you were referring to with Viaero. "Edge" data all the way, but not very reliable. Marginally faster than TMO's GPRS til Hayes, KS.
On a more interesting note, however, I of course have T-Mobile (and Sprint, but I didn't have it with me during that trip), while the other 2 people with me had an ATT iPhone and a Verizon iPhone. Logic would dictate that the cheap guy with T-Mobile would have the worst service, followed by the ATT customer, then the Verizon one. Especially in the Rocky Mountains, right?
Totally wrong.
The friend with the Verizon iPhone had to consistently switch to wifi for internet access, since cellular data continuously failed. The ATT iPhone fared far better, however it surprisingly lost data entirely while my little ol T-Mobile phone had 4 bars of fast HSPA+ available in multiple places south east of Estes Park, as well as north of Grand Lake into RMNP. In fact, a running theme for the trip was me making fun of their iPhones for not being able to access data, and them using my GalaxyS on T-Mobile to check their facebook pages, etc.
Go figure.
T-Mobile: Faster. More Bars. No dropped data.
And cheaper. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Do you know anything about high end optical switches or routers? Let me clue you in on them. I work for a company that does about 1billion dollars or more in sales to AT&T and Verizon in terms of upgrading their backhaul and wireless network. We have thousands and thousands of patents on this technology and continually improve and revolutionize this product to the point that data transmission costs are becoming insanely cheap. Also to power that equipment is getting cheaper and cheaper.
This metered billing and data scarcity crap that providers are pulling now is an utter joke and just like when text messaging first came out nothing but a money grab. Their costs for data transmission are dropping year after year, no data scarcity exists nor does it need to be metered to the levels it is now.
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This metered billing and data scarcity crap that providers are pulling now is an utter joke and just like when text messaging first came out nothing but a money grab. Their costs for data transmission are dropping year after year, no data scarcity exists nor does it need to be metered to the levels it is now.
So basically what I am saying is when these companies control 80% of the market it's ridiculous to set such rules. Both you and them can shove it if you think it's fair by any stretch. you are right to, man, i mean what has AT&T done in the last week.. they now offer unlimited minutes on family plans AS LONG AS you have family txtin...........um id rather txt threw data then give these people my money  | |
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| Ok please tell me why in rural spots the bandwidth cost so freaking high then?
because for 10x10 meg line from cable company is freaking 1600 dollars.
for a full 45meg DS3 connection to me would cost me 5-6k so dont tell me me the crap is getting cheaper because its not!!!! | |
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| Re: You know something said by treichhart:Ok please tell me why in rural spots the bandwidth cost so freaking high then?
because for 10x10 meg line from cable company is freaking 1600 dollars.
for a full 45meg DS3 connection to me would cost me 5-6k so dont tell me me the crap is getting cheaper because its not!!!! Did you really just write that and think you made a point? Please go take your CompTia A+ cert classes again. | |
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Also just think if they upgrade the equipment and bandwidth pipe how do you think they are going to get there ROI back? I dont care how much they have they would have to get it back some how that means they would charge more for higher bandwidth.
I dont blame these mobile carriers for throttling it just going to show if you want more bandwidth your just going to pay more for higher bandwidth end of story. Look dude, yes i agree in some ways people r gonna have to pay its not free nor cheap but what AT&T is doing is takin us back to the days of Ma-Bell, now the FCC broke them up just for the reason that they where chargin whatever they wanted, and where a monopoly, idc really if they did get T-Mobile and i think everyone agrees BUT that leaves us with VERIZION AND AT&T thats it, sprint wont last on its own, this is my concern and so is millions more, AT&T has a history that goes all the way back for 30 years of doing this kind of crap, NO I WILL NOT GIVE THEM THE CHANCE, customers have gave them the chance for the last 30 years and im gettin quite fed up with giving them chances, but its alright cause soon ill be a SPRINT customer just because of this merger, yes im a AT&T customer, after they said they wanted to buy T-Mobile i lost all trust in AT&T. Sure T-mobile should have the right to sell, i understand completely that its owned by a german company and they should be able to get out if they so do wish, but that doesnt mean they should sell to the most worse company, oh and the spectrum idea is completly lies, sure AT&T may not be liein that they need the spectrum but like Verizons CEO said THEY AT&T did not effectively put the spectrum to use in fact its a big mistake how they r using it on the towers..., but of course they believe that its not their fault and instead the gov, so in that case the gov should make more just for AT&T, and no one else.
AT&T if this merger does happen good luck to them, throttleing?? ha thats funny, caps (oh ya they where the ones that wrote the FCC Net Nuetrality)
People are willing to pay but people are tired of gettin screwed over and over and over, wall street is the only thing that AT&T looks to (thats fine i have no problem with that) but saying that our customers love caps is a complete lie, people r willing to pay 15 just to have a smartphone not 25-30.., i pay 15 for data just cause i have wi-fi, AT&T believes that they can walk over who ever, but karma is a ____ and it will only bite them and the stock holders when its said and done
PS: THIS ISNT CANADA!!
little video for yall »www.hulu.com/watch/4163/saturday···rnestine | |
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Side note: There is also some spectrum currently being wasted on free OTA television broadcasts. We see no need for broadcast television and believe that it should be ended in favor of giving us that spectrum as well so we can squat on it too because that would give us more possible customers for our overpriced U-Verse TV service.
End result: Check the donor information of possible politicians in upcoming elections. If they are heavily lobbied by or receive donations from AT & T - DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. CONSIDER ANY CONNECTIONS TO AT & T THE PLAGUE.
That's how things get fixed. Make sure politicians know if you side with AT & T (or any big Telco) that their job won't exist come next term. Isn't it time we end Corporate America's influence on US policies? so correct, id like to see them try to take FM, or even AM (which AM i dont think will ever make it that far) and try to get the govement to sell it to them...
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It was obviously written my some policy drone inside the Beltway bubble... | |
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I have two college friends who work fairly high up in AT&T and when we all get together for beers they claim there is no real congestion except for peak hours and only in the very largest cities and that minimal network upgrades to those towns could alleviate the problem.
This is ANOTHER cash grab, pure and simple. | |
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I have two college friends who work fairly high up in AT&T and when we all get together for beers they claim there is no real congestion except for peak hours and only in the very largest cities and that minimal network upgrades to those towns could alleviate the problem.
This is ANOTHER cash grab, pure and simple. So correct, AT&T prob sits back and shuts down servers or even makes it look like theres congestion all the time..., I keep wishin that the FCC would do their job and regulate (check AT&T and other companys all the time) | |
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| Do the math "AT&T insists that these impacted heavy users on average consume twelve times more data than the average of all other smartphone data customers."
Well.... looking at this article »www.cellular-news.com/story/50253.php it would appear the "average" AT&T user consumes 360 MB per month.
The math suggests anyone consuming over 4.3 GB (360 MB * 12 = 4,320 MB) is a "heavy" user and will be subject to throttling.
Something tells me a lot of folks are in for a real surprise come October. (especially those who are only using single-digit GB... if the math holds true) | |
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| Customers.. will still get the shaft. They are just making up things so that the T-Mobile merger can go ahead so they can gobble up T-Mobile then slowly allow T-Mobile's system to go down the drain, forcing the customers to go to the Death Star and laying off all the T-Mobile people. | |
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I may be using the same amount of data month after month, but since the bar is continually being lowered, I could find myself in the top 5% one day. | |
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | It wouldn't surprise me to see AT&T outright lie about when they start throttling.
Lie in the sense that they actually throttle at a line that is lower than what they say publicly.
Why wouldnt they? Who will stop them? | |
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| Interesting wording - top 5% I notice that they don't put a specific data quantity on the throttling threshold, but rather based it on a percentile.
So, as the top 5% reduce their usage, ATT lowers the throttling threshold.
Pretty ingenious, don't you think?
I gotta wonder if this is a sufficient change to the terms of service to give customers a legal reason to terminate their contracts early without the ripoff penalties. -- Follow your dreams, except the one where you're naked in church. | |
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