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AT&T Considers San Antonio For 1 Gbps Fiber
by Karl Bode 08:27AM Monday Apr 07 2014
After announcing they'd be offering 1 Gbps on the heels of Google Fiber in Autsin, AT&T stated the company would also be expanding the faster service to Dallas, though in neither instance did the company give hard numbers on how many users would receive the ultra-fast service. Now San Antonio radio 1200 WOAI states AT&T is "eyeing" San Antonio for possible expansion of the Gigapower service, though again without getting too specific about how many customers we're actually talking about:
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At next week's City Council meeting, council will consider granting AT&T the same deal that Google was granted last month, the right to use city property, mainly exiting police and fire stations and libraries, to erect 'prefabricated communications equipment shelters' and to string fiber along existing city rights of way.
Google's recent deal with San Antonio only lays the groundwork for the potential placement of fiber huts; there's no guarantee San Antonio actually sees Google Fiber service. AT&T's promise seems similarly ambiguous in nature; AT&T's core concern is to manage the perception that they're not being outperformed in their core industry in their home state by a search engine company -- even if they are.

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existenz

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Real world Google Fiber results

Will be curious if ATT delivers a Gbit with high backend capacity or just deliver a Gbit established connection.

I got GFiber over weekend in KC and real world results are as advertised even though in fairly dense hood with many residential hirises that have GF. Am working on review here...

»Google Fiber Kansas City

Feel free to ask question or tests to run.

mackey
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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

said by existenz:

Will be curious if ATT delivers a Gbit with high backend capacity or just deliver a Gbit established connection.

Currently they're doing neither as they're only provisioning at 300 mbps (with gigabit coming... "sometime") last I heard.

Even when they do actually roll it out there's no way for them to maintain advertised speeds once they start getting people hooked up as they're using GPON which only has 2.5/1.2 gbps down/up split between 32 customers.

/M
elefante72

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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

There is no reason it needs to be split 32 ways, but I get your point. They should be deploying XG-PON or Metro-E but I am sorry to say outside of Google and some other small guys 300 or whatever is good enough in their eyes. I have 50/25 and don't feel terribly slighted but I do pay what a Goog person does for 1/1, and that sucks but at the end of the day what can I do. I can pay even more for less at Time Warner.

And the reason that they don't deploy (or may not) XGPON is because it's expensive comparatively. The nice thing about fibre is thrown in a line card, split correctly and go....

These are legacy providers not starting w/ new networks so they took the less costly path (PON) versus metro-E but I get that--they need to run a business (profitably) and at that time there was still lots of ATM out there. Google started fresh, so they could deploy a state of the art network.

And that my friends is why we should abolish franchises...You can't get new competitors and innovation to deploy better services when the government locks out the competition...Instead you get the slow moving government-created monopoly that band aids things to move as slowly as they need to be a C- (or in the case of Comcast D-) student. Hey it passing..

norm

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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

I don't care about gigabit right now though I'm sure I will in the future. Right now, I care about quality peering. What ISP can I sign up with that doesn't have crap peering???
existenz

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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

For many who have Gbit it won't be about using it to fullest, it will be about having many devices in household that don't interfere with each other. Most could do that with 100M today but I don't think anyone is offering 100M for same price as Google Gbit.

The free 5/1 will also change dynamics of phone only internet users (or none at all) into broader users, which Google probably wants. Some older people in my building didn't have Internet in home (some would use public Internet/PCs in our condo library). Now they have free 5M in their home - every unit got it. I suspect the 'free' 5M will have more impact than the Gbit in next couple years.

Basically for every multi-until building in KC that has agreement with Gfiber, ALL units get the free 5Mbit w/out needing pre-registration from each person.

Maybe

@insightbb.com

Re: Real world Google Fiber results

The free 5/1 will also allow for cheaper phone service. Republic wireless has a wifi only plan for $5 per month and a wifi +100 minutes of cell for $10 per month (as I remember). Could be a huge deal for those who are under tight money concerns.
existenz

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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

Yeah, I'm using Ooma and the lower latency of GFiber is much better than TWC. No jitter or digified sounds.

I mention it in the review.

norm

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I understand and appreciate that. I have 75/35 at the moment and even though Verizon's peering seems awful these days, I haven't reduced my speeds because I don't want to saturate my link. I'm also not upgrading my speeds because I don't see how it would benefit me with Verizon.
existenz

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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

It will be interesting to see if Google keeps ahead of the load to ensure enough capacity. They are already talking 10Gbit (end user connection) upgrades in future but will be curious if they retrofit existing fiberhoods or only use for future deployed hoods.

Supposedly Google is using some kind of WDM-PON/Active Ethernet hybrid today.
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said by existenz:

Most could do that with 100M today but I don't think anyone is offering 100M for same price as Google Gbit.

100mbps symmetrical exists in a lot of cities around the US. At home, I pay $40/mo for 100/100.

There are a lot of independent ISPs selling 100/100 service for less than $70/mo.
existenz

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Re: Real world Google Fiber results

That's a good deal, TWC wants $95 for 100/5 by default in KC, though there are promotions. They aren't even trying to compete with Google.
silbaco
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They may not actually be doing a 32 split. Centurylink's Gigabit service in Omaha is supposedly GPON as well, but it doesn't sound like it is split among 32 customers.

Duramax08
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Funny

See what competition does?

RadioDoc
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Re: Funny

Competition by press release. Call me when the service is actually installed and running.

fg8578

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Re: Funny

In fairness both google and AT&T are offering nothing more than "vaporware" as far as I'm concerned.

Neither has an actual 1G service that you can buy. But I understand these things take time.
shrraga

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Re: Funny

Google started with gigabit service, people's speed tests support that.

fg8578

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Salem, OR

Re: Funny

Yes, in KC but not in San Antonio, which is what the competing press releases are about.

mackey
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Do It!

I'm all for ANY company to get the same deal as Google's getting as long as they actually deliver the same service or better - i.e. free 5 mbps after initial install costs or 1 gbps at sane prices (<$90/mo).

/M
Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO

Re: Do It!

Agreed. Even though there are few that probably dislike AT&T more than me I am all for giving them the same perks as Google to see them actually do something other than run their PR machine.

When they still fail to provide it will take away at least one more brick in the foundation of the incumbent supporters here.
iansltx

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Here's what AT&T is hoping for

First, they want to erase their right-of-way costs for existing infrastructure in any city where they might compete with Google Fiber. Then they want no obligation to build out anything competitive with GFiber. Then they want to roll GigaPower out to newer areas that already have FTTH, or areas with high=income folks where copper has deteriorated significantly, call declare victory and call it a day, hopefully keeping Google from deploying into the same GigaPower-enabled neighborhoods as a side benefit.

Don't get me wrong. AT&T's service is pretty speedy right now, and their backbone is certainly robust enough to be used with a fair number of gigabit customers. But we already know that they throttle Usenet, we already know that they're secretive about builds and lackluster about overbuilding what's copper now, and we already know that they won't negotiate with content providers unless it results in a non-trivial amount of money going their way per megabit.

Hopefully Grande Communications will launch something similar to what they did in Austin. That way non-Google-ans can get gigabit on an ISP that actually cares about customers.
TBBroadband

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Fremont, OH

Re: Here's what AT&T is hoping for

Why would they not want to erase the right of way costs? What is good for one should be good for all. Google should have never been able to co-locate in the city buildings for free and wouldn't have this problem. It's like a city putting up a cell phone tower and allowing anyone and everyone on it for free while the city maintains it. Stupid idea!

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Re: Here's what AT&T is hoping for

said by TBBroadband:

Why would they not want to erase the right of way costs? What is good for one should be good for all. Google should have never been able to co-locate in the city buildings for free and wouldn't have this problem. It's like a city putting up a cell phone tower and allowing anyone and everyone on it for free while the city maintains it. Stupid idea!

Except that the City exists to provide services and infrastructure to the citizens, the visitors, and the businesses that establish there.

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It's like a city putting up a street and allowing anyone and everyone on it for free while the city maintains it.

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said by TBBroadband:

Google should have never been able to co-locate in the city buildings for free and wouldn't have this problem.

Hey, if AT&T would have acted like a competitive business, instead of a monopoly/duopoly, and provided high speed services at affordable prices, then they wouldn't be in this situation facing embarrassment on their home turf.

AT&T wants to double and triple dip for the same mediocre services they have always provided.
biochemistry
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Texas.again?

How about trying a state other than Texas?
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TBBroadband

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Re: Texas.again?

It's their home state and they were based in SA before moving. And this is the only second GigaPower market to be "announced".
biochemistry
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Re: Texas.again?

That didn't stop Google which is headquartered 1500 miles away from Kansas City and had no ISP experience whatsoever.
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fg8578

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Re: Texas.again?

Agreed.

Austin and San Antonio both have city-owned electric utilities and I'm sure this was a major factor in google's decision to deploy there.

I don't know about KC.
63475675

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Anyone else long for the days of the "Baby Bells"???

As far as I am concerned the worst thing that ever happened was the reversal of gov't regulation which allowed them to be reconsolidated in the end.

Back when there was Bell South, Bell Atlantic, and others, while profit was always a important equally important was innovation, and providing the best product and customer service for the consumers.

The current ATT (actually SBC) doesn't appear to have any priority EXCEPT the maximum amount of profit they can attain the in the shortest period of time, well that and over compensating their top executives.
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Re: Anyone else long for the days of the "Baby Bells"???

said by 63475675:

As far as I am concerned the worst thing that ever happened was the reversal of gov't regulation which allowed them to be reconsolidated in the end.

Or perhaps the ruling that broke the real AT&T. Imagine what we could've had today with a properly motivated regulated monopoly.
Merlin

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Dallas, TX

Seriously?

said by Karl Bode :
AT&T's promise seems similarly ambiguous in nature; AT&T's core concern is to manage the perception that they're not being outperformed in their core industry in their home state by a search engine company -- even if they are.
Outperformed in what way? Google has yet to install a single customer in Texas and refuses to even say how many customers they have in Kansas City after 2 years in the market. Google Fiber is such a success that the Google annual stockholder report doesn't have a single mention of it.