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 |  glinc join:2009-04-07 New York, NY | Re: and what else is new In terms of Android. Only AT&T cripples Android phones and put Yahoo search on a OS that belongs to Google. That's why Google does not want to have the word "By Google" on the battery cover of AT&T android phones. | |
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 |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 Reviews:
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| said by dellsweig:Does any carrier do anything differently?? Yes, all other carriers of Android (at least in the US) do no crippling of their handsets.
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The Skype client for Android phones on Verizon's network do not function as VoIP on the data side. And they use your minutes unless you're calling another Skype client.
Additionally, "bugs" in the software require you to turn off WiFi in order to run the program at all so all your calls are through their 3G network regardless.
This may have changed recently, I'm not sure.
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 |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | ummm. android is not crippled by anyone else. I beg someone to prove me wrong. | |
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 |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:5 | My G1 on T-Mobile does whatever I want it to do (within the limitations of the hardware of course). Tether, unsigned apps, custom build upgrades, etc. | |
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 |  EricthornIt only hurts when I laughPremium join:2001-08-10 Paragould, AR Reviews:
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| said by dellsweig:Does any carrier do anything differently?? You might as well have just said.. 'FIRSTIES!'
That's how ignorant and inane your comment is. I have an HTC Hero with Android on Sprint and I can do whatever I want with it. Tethering is actually BUILT INTO it.. no pesky third party crap to deal with.
AT&T is likely the ONLY carrier these days doing everything they can to gouge the customer and limit what they can do. -- Ever try stuffing a melted marshmallow up a wildcat's ass? It can be done, but you have to like your job. - This Is The Way The World Ends by James Morrow - Join a DC club, it can't hurt you! | |
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| Re: Is anybody truely surprised? said by RiseAbove:I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest. It's not like they're even profiting. If they let the XM radio app be installed, that could be a nice fat data overage charge for the user, but no, they want to lose those profits. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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| Re: Is anybody truely surprised? said by Gbcue:said by RiseAbove:I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest. It's not like they're even profiting. If they let the XM radio app be installed, that could be a nice fat data overage charge for the user, but no, they want to lose those profits. Actually they are profiting because they are forcing people to use built in AT&T apps which ask for a monthly fee along with any overage they might have so they are winning both ways. If they let XM/Sirius in that means that monthly fee is going to them instead. | |
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by RiseAbove:I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest. nickel and dime: the american way! -- The shortest distance between 2 points adds 1.5 stars to T. want $25? solve »coord.info/GC20A37 for me | |
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It would really be sweet to go to Canada and purchase a free iPhone. I like the European model purchase the phone and then look for service. You pay more up front but save money down the road. -- I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's. - Mark Twain in Eruption | |
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| Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T said by bnceo:I'm utterly shocked that AT&T did NOT hamper the Palm Pre and lock it down. It is unchanged from it's previous carriers except for the addition of the simcard and required YPMobile (which is an amazing app regardless). So, if you really want an open system on a smartphone and are stuck with AT&T (or just love sim card/GSM), then get a Palm Pre. Why would they cripple the pre - Palm is out of buisness and HP says they will no longer make any palm based phones.
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| said by Romney2012:said by bnceo:Palm is not out of business. And HP said no such thing. The phone in the pipeline says different. I know HP was misquoted about WebOS smartphones not being built in the future. But I hadn't read anything about a new WebOS phone from HP in the pipeline yet. Do you have any links? HP just said they didn't buy Palm to get into the smartphone business. -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. | |
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| Aria I certainly wouldn't throw the word "crippled" around when describing the Aria. They blocked 3rd party apps. It's not that big of a deal. The average consumer couldn't care less and people who do care will know that XDA team will have custom ROMs avail in no time. This little blurb of a story doesn't mention how fast this phone flies around the Sense UI, how nice the display looks or how great the build quality is. | |
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Take a stand man, as it is right now you're sitting on the fence. Go full on AT&T Gestapo, or get out of the way and support open access. Being Waltah@verizon.net you don't have this limitation. So why snipe from the cheap seats at those in AT&T who have to cope with this dilemma? | |
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If you absolutely positively can't live without an iphone(it appears many can't) or can't get service from anyone else at all, then IMO, there is little to no reason to choose/stick with AT&T these days. | |
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 bdon78I didn't do it join:2009-05-18 Decatur, GA | Technophile Community As Karl points out in the article, it appears that AT&T is trying to create ill will in the technophile community...
I point this out, because those of us who read/comment on this site are included in that group, hence our running list of complaints, comments, etc...
BUT, truth is 8 out 10 consumers aren't concerned with things like whether or not their smartphone's processor speed is 1 GHz or 1.2 GHz... Or whether ALL Android features are available. They only care whether the phone is EASY to use.
So yes, AT&T may be ostracizing techies, but in that process catering to the masses by trying to make things simple. If you were running a business, would you focus on the 20% or 80%? The answer is self explanatory.
Let me close this by saying I've had AT&T for two years now without any issues. (previously had Tmo for 6 years). So, I don't have the AT&T hate that many tech blog readers do...
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| flash the OS? I've never used android so if this is a stupid idea then I apologize in advance, lol. Couldn't you just reflash the phone to a stock version of the android OS? I know with nokia and motorolas in the past I was able to do this, as well as the iphone, granted it wasn't a stock version of iphone OS but if you upgraded and wanted to downgrade it could be done.
Of course none of this is user friendly but like others have said there is only a small percentage of people who care about this type of thing, and the people who want it are almost capable of flashing a phone or at least know the skills to learn to do so. -- 10,000/768 CenturyTel PPPoE DSL line (really 5,000/768 ) Now it's really 1500/256...again lol | |
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 |  gballMaster YodaPremium join:2000-11-28 South Bend, IN | Re: flash the OS? yes as long as you can root the phone..normally that isnt a problem but not a guarantee just look at the HTC Incredible.
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| Re: flash the OS? oh ok, wasn't sure how android performed with that. I was thinking about getting a nexus one to play around with android a bit and yeah AT&T is getting way too former verizon like if t-mobile had decent coverage here I'd switch but I don't want to go CDMA again I like using non carrier phones. -- 10,000/768 CenturyTel PPPoE DSL line (really 5,000/768 ) Now it's really 1500/256...again lol | |
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 |  jester121Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: It's all about control. Nor is Apple.  | |
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They'll keep the initials, but it will be called Apple Tech & Telecom.
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 rob316 join:2005-10-17 Carteret, NJ | Incredible on Verizon I can install anything I want on my Verizon Droid Incredible. ATT suxs plain and simple. | |
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 |  cghh join:2001-01-15 Milpitas, CA | Re: Incredible on Verizon said by rob316:I can install anything I want on my Verizon Droid Incredible. ATT suxs plain and simple. Another data point: All current Blackberries since the Storm 1 have been wide open on VZW. No restrictions about where applications are loaded from, no restrictions on third-party applications accessing phone hardware such as standalone GPS, no blocking of loading alternate OS versions (although they won't support phones running non-official OS versions), free unlocking for the asking of the GSM side for phones with current VZW service.
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Now they're called Multi-media phones, but they still have their custom UI built over the phones firmware, and you are still limited to the apps that you can install on them.
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Don't be so shocked. This isn't the only example of post-divestiture bell operating companies engaging in anti-competitive activities. If people would wake up and smell the company they do business with, perhaps they could force at&t to change for the better ... BUT people are complacent.
the 'new' at&t isn't a heck of a lot different from the 1984 AT&T. I hope in the long run, this is another nail in the coffin for at&t.
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