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AT&T Continues To Make Android Handsets Less Useful
After all, who wants the ability to install any app they choose?
by Karl Bode Thursday 17-Jun-2010 tags: competition · business · Op/Ed · wireless
Ah AT&T, it's almost as if you're consciously trying to create ill will in the technophile community the last few weeks, be it through botched product launches, empty threats, new horrible pricing for wireless data, security gaffes and your annoying habit of never being able to say you're sorry. We'd already mentioned how AT&T was defeating the entire purpose of the Android phone OS by crippling AT&T versions of Android phones so that they couldn't run unsigned applications, then loading them with bloatware the user can't remove. AT&T's now doing much the same thing with their launch of the HTC Aria, blocking Sirius XM from working on the device, and generally locking it down in annoying fashion:

Like it did with the Backflip, AT&T has removed the option to install unofficial apps onto its new HTC Aria phone. If something's outside of the Android Market -- a beta program such as Swype, for example, or one of several tethering apps offered only through developers' Web sites -- you won't be able to install it; the option to do so is mysteriously missing from the "Applications" settings menu where it'd typically be found. Essentially, AT&T quietly stripped a core part of the Android experience away.

Hey, thanks AT&T! Of course this, like their recent wireless data changes, have to do solely with profit and control (preventing tethering and other useful functionality, giving AT&T services priority, etc.). Apparently AT&T's so large (after all, they even work for the NSA as intelligence analysts now) -- they no longer have to worry about pesky things like consumer perception or satisfaction.

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dellsweig
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and what else is new

Does any carrier do anything differently??
glinc

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Re: and what else is new

In terms of Android. Only AT&T cripples Android phones and put Yahoo search on a OS that belongs to Google. That's why Google does not want to have the word "By Google" on the battery cover of AT&T android phones.

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said by dellsweig:

Does any carrier do anything differently??
Yes, all other carriers of Android (at least in the US) do no crippling of their handsets.

I can install whatever I want on mine.
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Re: and what else is new

said by Gbcue:

said by dellsweig:

Does any carrier do anything differently??
Yes, all other carriers of Android (at least in the US) do no crippling of their handsets.

I can install whatever I want on mine.
Crippled can mean more than one thing.

»connectedplanetonline.com/ctia/2···dex.html

The Skype client for Android phones on Verizon's network do not function as VoIP on the data side. And they use your minutes unless you're calling another Skype client.

Additionally, "bugs" in the software require you to turn off WiFi in order to run the program at all so all your calls are through their 3G network regardless.

This may have changed recently, I'm not sure.

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ChrisDG74

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I am running the SiriusXM app on my Verizon Droid right now(over Wi-Fi). Do it 10 hours a day, Monday-Friday.

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ummm. android is not crippled by anyone else. I beg someone to prove me wrong.

cdru
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My G1 on T-Mobile does whatever I want it to do (within the limitations of the hardware of course). Tether, unsigned apps, custom build upgrades, etc.

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said by dellsweig:

Does any carrier do anything differently??
You might as well have just said.. 'FIRSTIES!'

That's how ignorant and inane your comment is. I have an HTC Hero with Android on Sprint and I can do whatever I want with it. Tethering is actually BUILT INTO it.. no pesky third party crap to deal with.

AT&T is likely the ONLY carrier these days doing everything they can to gouge the customer and limit what they can do.
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Re: and what else is new

Are you kidding? Verizon has been screwing the consumer for a while now with their $2 data access charge.

»Verizon Making It Harder To Block Data On Phones
AlfredNewman

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Which is why...

I've decided to say bye bye and no longer provide them with my time or money.

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Re: Which is why...

Amen to that. I moved away from AT&T right before they changed their data pricing model.

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Is anybody truely surprised?

I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest.

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Re: Is anybody truely surprised?

said by RiseAbove:

I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest.
It's not like they're even profiting. If they let the XM radio app be installed, that could be a nice fat data overage charge for the user, but no, they want to lose those profits.
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Re: Is anybody truely surprised?

said by Gbcue:

said by RiseAbove:

I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest.
It's not like they're even profiting. If they let the XM radio app be installed, that could be a nice fat data overage charge for the user, but no, they want to lose those profits.
Actually they are profiting because they are forcing people to use built in AT&T apps which ask for a monthly fee along with any overage they might have so they are winning both ways. If they let XM/Sirius in that means that monthly fee is going to them instead.

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said by RiseAbove:

I mean really this is AT&T they are in the business of making sure your wireless experience is less than enjoyable and profiting off every little item on those devices they can. Customer service and friendly open device policies are not in their good interest.
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iPhone?

Maybe Apple is helping them to cripple them!

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Re: iPhone?

said by CaptainRR:

Maybe Apple is helping them to cripple them!
Not likely. The problem is with the Android operating system because it is open source every wireless provider has tweaked it to suit themselves. You can't even upgrade the Android OS across the board because of this. Things are so fragmented one almost has to order new Android phone to upgrade to the latest and greatest version of the OS. AT&T has such a cash cow with the iPhone they can afford to screw everyone else across the board. Thinking of it in this way I suppose Apple is tacit help in AT&T's business practices they figure it is a sellers market and thanks to the profits from the exclusivity with the iPhone they can do pretty much what they want.

It would really be sweet to go to Canada and purchase a free iPhone. I like the European model purchase the phone and then look for service. You pay more up front but save money down the road.
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Re: iPhone?

its unfortunate that the US typically likes the short term gain game.
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Re: iPhone?

that is the flaw with our whole system and why even "profitable" areas dont have all FTTH for broadband. it would look bad this quarter even though in the long haul it would be cheaper due to less wire related issues.
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Google is really working on the fragmentation problem by slowing down releases to once per year.
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Re: iPhone?

said by Gbcue:

Google is really working on the fragmentation problem by slowing down releases to once per year.
I have heard the same thing they are going to go the route Apple has.
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Re: iPhone?

As a consumer I am fine with Google doing this and for what its worth I really feel this will help strengthen Android. But, I just hope that they release the android source more than once per year so that us technically inclined folks could get our hands on the latest and greatest.

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I heard obout that to, like all Droid phones getting Flash player in the first part of the year and that's pretty well gone by. By the time 2.2 gets out I will be ready for a new smartphone.
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More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

I'm utterly shocked that AT&T did NOT hamper the Palm Pre and lock it down. It is unchanged from it's previous carriers except for the addition of the simcard and required YPMobile (which is an amazing app regardless).

So, if you really want an open system on a smartphone and are stuck with AT&T (or just love sim card/GSM), then get a Palm Pre.

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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

said by bnceo:

I'm utterly shocked that AT&T did NOT hamper the Palm Pre and lock it down. It is unchanged from it's previous carriers except for the addition of the simcard and required YPMobile (which is an amazing app regardless).

So, if you really want an open system on a smartphone and are stuck with AT&T (or just love sim card/GSM), then get a Palm Pre.
Why would they cripple the pre - Palm is out of buisness and HP says they will no longer make any palm based phones.

The pre is a looser - ATT is just unloading inventory
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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

Palm is not out of business. And HP said no such thing. The phone in the pipeline says different.

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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

said by bnceo:

Palm is not out of business. And HP said no such thing. The phone in the pipeline says different.
I know HP was misquoted about WebOS smartphones not being built in the future. But I hadn't read anything about a new WebOS phone from HP in the pipeline yet. Do you have any links?
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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

Nothing direct. Just a couple of super reliable sources in the forums (have been on point before, especially with Pixi and the like) mentioning it. Remember, Palm didn't leak out the Pre until 4 days before it was announced. Palm knows how to keep things locked down.

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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

said by bnceo:

Nothing direct. Just a couple of super reliable sources in the forums (have been on point before, especially with Pixi and the like) mentioning it. Remember, Palm didn't leak out the Pre until 4 days before it was announced. Palm knows how to keep things locked down.
Lots of speculation here:
»forums.precentral.net/future-palm-devices/

I have a Sprint Palm Pre and would like to see a new WebOS phone come out this year.
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said by Romney2012:

said by bnceo:

Palm is not out of business. And HP said no such thing. The phone in the pipeline says different.
I know HP was misquoted about WebOS smartphones not being built in the future. But I hadn't read anything about a new WebOS phone from HP in the pipeline yet. Do you have any links?
HP just said they didn't buy Palm to get into the smartphone business.
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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

said by Alcohol:

said by Romney2012:

said by bnceo:

Palm is not out of business. And HP said no such thing. The phone in the pipeline says different.
I know HP was misquoted about WebOS smartphones not being built in the future. But I hadn't read anything about a new WebOS phone from HP in the pipeline yet. Do you have any links?
HP just said they didn't buy Palm to get into the smartphone business.
Yes. I saw that. And he came back the next day and said they will have new smartphones, just that the WebOS was the main reason they got Palm.
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Yeah, it's interesting how Palm Pre is actually more 'open' than Android. Android licensing is more open but webOS architecture is far more open than Android.

Very surprising ATT is locking down Android but not webOS as it is VERY wide open. There is no such thing as jailbreaking or rooting in webOS. Palm officially allows accessing root with no efforts to block it.
bnceo

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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

Well, you just need the Konami code. What other company actually thanks the HomeBrew community in keynotes? Only Palm. And that is why I'm staying with them. So far, I got 5 people to get Palm devices. Working on more and more.

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Re: More Reason to Love Sprint and/or Palm Pre on AT&T

I didn't know about the Pre using the Konami code to unlock dev mode. That's hilarious, in an awesome kind of way.
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Aria

I certainly wouldn't throw the word "crippled" around when describing the Aria. They blocked 3rd party apps. It's not that big of a deal. The average consumer couldn't care less and people who do care will know that XDA team will have custom ROMs avail in no time.
This little blurb of a story doesn't mention how fast this phone flies around the Sense UI, how nice the display looks or how great the build quality is.
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Re: Aria

Your "opinion" is inconsistent. On one hand you approve the lock down and then say that the xda-developers site will work around this limitation anyway. You realize that with a locked down phone the xda-developers site has to now assist people in rooting/unlocking the phone prior to using a custom ROM at the cost of time/effort that they do for free when if AT&T just left things alone this would all go smoother. Right?

Take a stand man, as it is right now you're sitting on the fence. Go full on AT&T Gestapo, or get out of the way and support open access. Being Waltah@verizon.net you don't have this limitation. So why snipe from the cheap seats at those in AT&T who have to cope with this dilemma?

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Android is on lots of carriers

Bail AT&T. If enough people did it, they would change their ways.
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Re: Android is on lots of carriers

Exactly.

If you absolutely positively can't live without an iphone(it appears many can't) or can't get service from anyone else at all, then IMO, there is little to no reason to choose/stick with AT&T these days.
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My thinking

You know if there was some way some one, without being shoved into a black car and never to be seen again, to start a wireless company that allowed truly unlimited data, minutes, any handset without contracts, open use, etc. etc. They would be famous and rich.... But we live in a time where what we have is what we got. Most people can't go without a cell phone, it's their life line. So we have to deal with we have. Some people don't have a choice for who they go with, some carriers only works some places. And there isn't much we can do about it, ATT, Verizon and the like own the FCC and can do what they want when they want. So instead of whining about the problems may be we should just sub-come to our new overlords?

(Just a retrospect, at I hate these scum bags just as much as I think everyone else does and I would do anything to have an open carrier.)

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bdon78
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Technophile Community

As Karl points out in the article, it appears that AT&T is trying to create ill will in the technophile community...

I point this out, because those of us who read/comment on this site are included in that group, hence our running list of complaints, comments, etc...

BUT, truth is 8 out 10 consumers aren't concerned with things like whether or not their smartphone's processor speed is 1 GHz or 1.2 GHz... Or whether ALL Android features are available. They only care whether the phone is EASY to use.

So yes, AT&T may be ostracizing techies, but in that process catering to the masses by trying to make things simple. If you were running a business, would you focus on the 20% or 80%? The answer is self explanatory.

Let me close this by saying I've had AT&T for two years now without any issues. (previously had Tmo for 6 years). So, I don't have the AT&T hate that many tech blog readers do...

(I only hate Comcast)

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flash the OS?

I've never used android so if this is a stupid idea then I apologize in advance, lol. Couldn't you just reflash the phone to a stock version of the android OS? I know with nokia and motorolas in the past I was able to do this, as well as the iphone, granted it wasn't a stock version of iphone OS but if you upgraded and wanted to downgrade it could be done.

Of course none of this is user friendly but like others have said there is only a small percentage of people who care about this type of thing, and the people who want it are almost capable of flashing a phone or at least know the skills to learn to do so.
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Re: flash the OS?

yes as long as you can root the phone..normally that isnt a problem but not a guarantee just look at the HTC Incredible.

Many many users still cant perform the root.

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Re: flash the OS?

oh ok, wasn't sure how android performed with that. I was thinking about getting a nexus one to play around with android a bit and yeah AT&T is getting way too former verizon like if t-mobile had decent coverage here I'd switch but I don't want to go CDMA again I like using non carrier phones.
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so glad

I dropped at&t for another carrier!
old_wiz_60

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It's all about control.

AT&T wants full control of all handsets. I sometimes wonder if AT&T is the reason the iPhone has so much code to prevent jailbreaking.

Verizon is no better.

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Re: It's all about control.

Nor is Apple.
SlyLoK

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Makes no sense..

Is apple pulling the strings? Is AT&T the doll? Or are they just this stupid? All of the above perhaps?

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Re: Makes no sense..

Maybe Apple is going to buy out AT&T.

They'll keep the initials, but it will be called Apple Tech & Telecom.

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Re: Makes no sense..

No it will be -- Apple Telegraph & Telephone. Because we will be back to text only messages called telegraph.

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You just lost 10,000 members (+87)

So the company I work for is up for renewal on their company account with ATT. It was the duty of a few "select" people within that company to review the value & cost of the service we receive.

I've been using this site, Howard Forum's, and a collection of ATT's press releases as my review of our services. The 10 of us agreed... Good-bye ATT.

(On a side note, 87 family members also are leaving ATT).

Its kind of funny.... I always wanted ATT, but for some "unknown" reason they never seemed to want me (even with my 7xx credit score). I guess I wasn't missing much or at least, not any longer.
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rob316

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Incredible on Verizon

I can install anything I want on my Verizon Droid Incredible. ATT suxs plain and simple.
cghh

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Re: Incredible on Verizon

said by rob316:

I can install anything I want on my Verizon Droid Incredible. ATT suxs plain and simple.
Another data point: All current Blackberries since the Storm 1 have been wide open on VZW. No restrictions about where applications are loaded from, no restrictions on third-party applications accessing phone hardware such as standalone GPS, no blocking of loading alternate OS versions (although they won't support phones running non-official OS versions), free unlocking for the asking of the GSM side for phones with current VZW service.

I guess with the success of the walled-garden approach for the iPhone, at&t feels comfortable applying it to other smart phones.

CurGeorge8

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Out of Verizon's playbook

This sounds like a play right out of Verizon's playbook. Remember back in 2005 when they started mandating all 'dumbphones' have the same UI, and locked the handsets down so they could only load applications from their V-Cast/Brew App store?

Now they're called Multi-media phones, but they still have their custom UI built over the phones firmware, and you are still limited to the apps that you can install on them.

However, this is on a 'smart-phone' and seems to be somewhat unprecedented.

Rock

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AT&T is a greedy company

I bought my Nexus One for this reason. I hate carrier contracts and their dumb insulting moves. The Phone is mine I should be able to do what I wish with it. I work for AT&T and they really embarrass me. I will no longer give them my money after my contract is up in October.

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T

Hitting winner after winner!

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To quote Gomer Pyle, "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!"

gosh... I'm so shocked. You mean the 'new' at&t engages in anti-competitive practices?! Lions and tigers and bears! OH MY!

Don't be so shocked. This isn't the only example of post-divestiture bell operating companies engaging in anti-competitive activities.
If people would wake up and smell the company they do business with, perhaps they could force at&t to change for the better ... BUT people are complacent.

the 'new' at&t isn't a heck of a lot different from the 1984 AT&T. I hope in the long run, this is another nail in the coffin for at&t.

They should be divested of the cellular asset acquired from the BellSouth merger, at least.

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Well it is Open Source

Isn't that what is all about?

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