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AT&T Cooking Up New Plan to Save T-Mobile Deal
Willing to Divest up to 40% of T-Mobile Assets
by Karl Bode 08:31AM Monday Nov 28 2011
After announcing that they were withdrawing their FCC application to acquire T-Mobile on Thanksgiving in the hopes many wouldn't notice, AT&T is cooking up a last-ditch offer to placate the DOJ. According to Bloomberg, AT&T is working on a proposal that would have them divesting a significantly larger amount of T-Mobile assets. Granted, AT&T doesn't actually care about getting rid of a larger chunk of T-Mobile assets, since a majority of T-Mobile assets simply duplicate AT&T's existing footprint -- particularly in urban markets. There's really no solution that cures what ails this deal -- namely that it's designed primarily to eliminate one competitor (T-Mobile) while severely weakening another (Sprint). AT&T's acquisition of some already built towers -- and some spectrum for them to squat on -- would simply be icing on the cake.

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AT&T hopes a DOJ deal will bypass FCC opposition

Looks like AT&T figures if they can cut a deal with the DOJ to let deal go forward, they can bootstrap that approval to get the FCC to drop their opposition. So by withdrawing the FCC application they hope they can freeze the FCC application approval process until they have more gov't support. The FCC though has been making noises like they will go forward whether AT&T wants them to or not. And that is why AT&T made threats against the FCC that they would go to court immediately if the FCC refuses to let AT&T withdraw their application.
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Odd...

Normally AT&T would simply have to cut a bunch of campaign contribution checks and this merger would be easily blessed by a willing Congress. If there were continued problems, AT&T would simply raise the amounts of the bribes until the desired number of Congressmen were on board with the merger.

I wonder why they have not done this.

But on another note, I really do hope this merger fails, we already have too little competition in the wireless racket as it stands now. We don't need less. By my natural cynicism just tells me this merger will be approved with the normal "conditions" that really mean nothing.
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Re: Odd...

As I understand it DT will still sell off TM. So it's going away at some point. Granted, it could go to a smaller company which would leave more competition in the market.

I think what helped kill this deal was AT&T thinking they could do the same thing that has worked in the past... pay organizations off to "support" the deal. The GLADD thing _really_ backfired on them and made it difficult for the government to accept bribes and get behind the merger. So GOOD... at least something is changing for the better in this country.

Yes, I think this whole backing down thing by AT&T is just a ploy. They want the public to think the deal is dead. In the meantime they will work with DT/TM on splitting up TM's assets and than come out with a "new" deal for everyone to consider. It will be "new" just because of how badly AT&T f'ed up the "old' deal.

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said by pnh102:

I wonder why they have not done this.

It's after the elections for this year, and it's not late enough next year for the candidates to really be able to put a price on their votes.

Seriously though (well, that actually was semi-seriously), with as much consumer disapproval for the merger, I wonder if AT&T can't buy there way through the merger. Candidates already have a low approval rating, the economy still sucks, the debt crisis appears to be starting back up, etc... Now exactly wouldn't be a great time for a candidate to pledge allegance to a giant faceless corporation with existing monopolistic tendencies who will create lay off thousands of people.

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Re: Odd...

I agree.. all sides know that ATT will just pony up the economy to a bigger debt with thousands of layoffs if TMO was acquired. At least If TMO is sold at fair market value to another company " Google, Comcast, Dish network, the Chinese, MR. Rogers or Vimplecom "wind Moble" (Canada) or even Vodaphone ( if they dump Verizon) There can be stipulations add in to not only keep All the jobs currently in the USA but to bring more back.

Or even better Partnering with another company ( any listed above) would build strength in TMOs favor, personally Id vote for Vimplecom ( Wind Mobile). Wind mobile (canada) has some of the best rates in canada and operates on 1700 mhz AWS, same as TMO HSPA in the USA, Vimplecom could drastically shake up the US market (no more bloody data CAPS!). If partnered with or taking over TMO. Vimplecom is the worlds 5th largest Mobile operator.

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Kill this deal.

As much as I loath the current state of the DOJ. On this point they are 100% correct. This is something that needs to be stopped in it's tracks and ATT should have the RIOT act thrown at them. As to why their tactics aren't working there are many. One, all the politicians are running scared from this deal. They know that this is bad at best and in the climate we are in. They don't want to give and more ammo to their opposition for next years election. Two, the leaked memos showing what this was really about. Third, the failed astroturf campaigns. Talk about sloppy work done by ATT on that one. There are probably more but can't think of them at the moment. What needs to happen now is not less scrutiny but more. If ever there was a time for a RICO investigation into ATT and VZ it's now.

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Continuing to Hope For Failure

I continue to hope for at&t to fail at this. Reading John Dvorak's column at MarketWatch.com and doing a recommended Google search on "AT&T sucks" does indeed turn up a lot of hate for at&t. It is nice to see karma in action here. DOJ and FCC should stick to their guns. DT may have to take a little less in the end but I think there are some good companies out there that make an ideal suitor for T-Mobile.
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more bribes to the congress

more bribes to the congress...we have thirdworld politicians in the US
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Smoke and mirrors

So clever of T to make a very public declaration of the 4th quarter "breakup" (yes, that's what they call it) charge. What better way to call off the dogs and make everyone believe "the debate is over"?

Sometime in the spring, there will be a very quiet press release, in which DOJ will claim "victory for the people", where they wrestled AT&T to the ground and "forced" them to divest, and promise more $10 DSL services for digital dividers, in exchange for a "very reluctant" merger approval.

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Re: Smoke and mirrors

said by elray:

DOJ will claim "victory for the people", where they wrestled AT&T to the ground and "forced" them to divest, and promise more $10 DSL services for digital dividers, in exchange for a "very reluctant" merger approval.

Alas, if so ATT will say "no problem" to the DOJ as it will slap the same terms of conditions that comcast slapped on to there HSI $10 option where really no one qualifies, not to mention ATT as sneaky as they are would drop the cap to 20 GB for anyone on a $10 DSL plan...

Im glad this deal fell through I hope it never surfaces again...
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said by buddahbless:

Alas, if so ATT will say "no problem" to the DOJ as it will slap the same terms of conditions that comcast slapped on to there HSI $10 option where really no one qualifies, not to mention ATT as sneaky as they are would drop the cap to 20 GB for anyone on a $10 DSL plan...

Im glad this deal fell through I hope it never surfaces again...

It did not fall through.
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They should divest large markets

They should be forced to divest large (urban) markets like New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles/San Francisco/San Diego (Much of California), and Boston (MA) if the deal goes through.

When Verizon bought Alltel, the markets they divested were mostly rural like Iowa, Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota (which were high cost areas anyways).
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Ridiculous

It's ridiculous that our government is cause such a politically-motivated showdown, when the best interests of the country are in allowing the merger to go through 100%. We cannot support a bunch of world-class cell networks, and as it is, it is highly unlikely that there will ever be a third world-class cellular network in the united states, so at least allow number 2 to disrupt number 1 a bit!!!

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Re: Ridiculous

said by BiggA:

It's ridiculous that our government is cause such a politically-motivated showdown, when the best interests of the country are in allowing the merger to go through 100%. We cannot support a bunch of world-class cell networks, and as it is, it is highly unlikely that there will ever be a third world-class cellular network in the united states, so at least allow number 2 to disrupt number 1 a bit!!!

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said by BiggA:

It's ridiculous that our government is cause such a politically-motivated showdown, when the best interests of the country are in allowing the merger to go through 100%.

Sure, if you define "country" as "SBC, the CWA and SBC's investors," otherwise that's as silly an assertion as I've heard, of late.

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said by BiggA:

It's ridiculous that our government is cause such a politically-motivated showdown, when the best interests of the country are in allowing the merger to go through 100%. We cannot support a bunch of world-class cell networks, and as it is, it is highly unlikely that there will ever be a third world-class cellular network in the united states, so at least allow number 2 to disrupt number 1 a bit!!!

it's ridiculous that our government can even prevent a merger between 2 private companies. what happened to property rights?

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Re: Ridiculous

Yeah, what every happened to the citizen's property rights.... The Corporations have all the rights.

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Re: Ridiculous

said by KrK:

Yeah, what every happened to the citizen's property rights.... The Corporations have all the rights.

no, the citizens, companies, and foreigners owning the company through either their own merit or through stocks/shares are being told by the government what they can and can't do. These people and entities own ATT and TMobile. That is their property. The government is telling them that even tho they want to do this deal, they aren't allowed to. To T-mobile, that is telling them that they cant sell themselves to another company. Who should ever have that right in a free economy?

and btw, an economy, and more precisely a market, is a complex system. How do you know that this would would be "bad for consumers"? b/c you use 5th grade logic to point out that more competition is better? well here's a news flash, it's not always better when one company is trying to sell itself and another is on the verge of collapsing in on itself. If ATT doesnt buy TMo, it's most likely only going to continue its downward spiral unless it comes up with some massive new revenue or investment. It doesnt have the cash to roll out LTE in a speedy manner. It wants to use Tmobile's relatively robust (compared to ATT) HSPA+ network to deliver good and better speeds to as many markets as possible while simultaneously installing an LTE infrastructure. Since both companies use the same basic network, HSPA, it would be relatively very easy for engineers from both companies to integrate the networks and prepare unreleased, new phones, to work on either network.

T-mobile is getting sold. No matter what happens with this deal, it is going to get bought or dissolved and completely liquidated. Liquidation would involve the quick selling and parting out of existing customer contracts, infrastructure, IP, and spectrum, and not necessarily to the same companies. It has no future independence. Outside of the philosophy (and Constitutionality) in my 1st paragraph or 2 , wouldn't it be better to be bought by a competitor with the assets and existing infrastructure like AT&T over one like Sprint, which has ZERO money, signed a VERy questionable iPhone contract, and has been trying to stop the bleeding of customers for 3 years, or one that's even smaller with less physical footprint? Verizon has expressed no public interest in buying TMo, and considering they have BY FAR the best network already in place, who would blame them? most TMo customers most likely would not switch to VZW if leaving after a merger with ATT nor, IMO, would be likely to stick around with VZW after current contracts expire if VZW were to buy them. TMo is a much cheaper service than VZW and i think many of the customers would disperse equally to the all the major carriers, including prepaid providers.

What it really comes down to, though, is that the market is dictating that tmobile be sold (or at least that's how deutche telekom is interpreting it) and that ATT could greatly benefit, but that the government thinks it knows better than the market. It never does. Ever. never ever ever. the government takes uninformed guesses at what "should be" while the market and the businesses in the market take calculated risks betting on what the market thinks itself actual is and will be. If a business' risk fails, it suffers in many ways, the least of which being monetarily. If the government is wrong, which is always is, it blames the business or the market or the people.

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Re: Ridiculous

I haven't seen a pile of manure that deep since I left the farm. Wow. Just wow.
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They aren't being told they can't sell themselves. They are being limited in who they can sell themselves to, such as to an already market dominating behemoth, in ways that reduced already very limited competition. Whether they ultimately are sold off isn't the only issue. Whether ATT should be the one to walk away with them is a key issue. There are all kinds of ways behavior is limited to make sure that one person's decisions don't lead to harmful consequences for others. There is no reason why business should be exempt from the duties of existing in a human society. They exist within a social context and without the law business wouldn't be able to exist.

" b/c you use 5th grade logic to point out that more competition is better?"

Why should I accept your pronouncement that generations of anti-trust and concerns about maintaining market competition is the logic of children? There is no way around the simple and painfully obvious fact that market mechanisms don't work properly in the absence of competition. Ideological fetishes can't substitute for historical facts.

"but that the government thinks it knows better than the market. It never does. Ever. never ever ever. the government takes uninformed guesses at what "should be" while the market and the businesses in the market take calculated risks betting on what the market thinks itself actual is and will be. If a business' risk fails, it suffers in many ways, the least of which being monetarily."

This is ideology unsupported by more than a century of evidence. How did that theory work out for the financial sector? Who is paying the price for all that business risk again? Billions of people are presently paying the price for the shenanigans of a few thousand people in the financial sector. The powerful seldom pay the price for their risk taking. They use their power to make sure that they pawn the costs and risks off on others. That's what the last few years have been about, fighting over how we distribute the massive amount of pain caused by the reckless behavior of a relatively few people. If government hadn't intervened to keep the financial system from melting down we would all be in a lot deeper shit than we are already in. These problems were allowed to fester precisely because we have been in the grip of the ideas that you are espousing.

The government doesn't make uninformed guesses. It marshals a massive amount of specialist capability. Much of the failure of government isn't a result of lack of knowledge or information but the perverting affects of powerful interests. Regardless of whether we always like the results it is quite erroneous to make it sound as if the government just has some fool throw darts at a board to see how it will act.
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Re: Ridiculous

Excellent comments. Thank you!

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said by Somnambul33t:

no, the citizens, companies, and foreigners owning the company through either their own merit or through stocks/shares are being told by the government what they can and can't do.

Yes. Public airwaves, and anti-trust. If anything the regulations are too lax.
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It is a regulated industry. There is only so much spectrum available in the airways, which is controlled by the FCC, not private companies.

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said by BiggA:

We cannot support a bunch of world-class cell networks, and as it is, it is highly unlikely that there will ever be a third world-class cellular network in the united states, so at least allow number 2 to disrupt number 1 a bit!!!

Yeah! Disrupt! Not. Apparently we can't support ANY world class networks with the way our carriers like to operate.
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Yea! It's like thinking you could hop around europe and buy prepaid sim cards in every town and country and actually pay less by sim hopping across a half dozen carriers while using data. Yea! Make ATT bigger so it gets even better and I know that my paying them more will give me great REASSURANCE in my sevice.Yea!

Or you could just point out that ATT just wants to eliminate the competition because their need for tmobile doesn't make much sense when they say they'll give up a big chunk of all that "need". Buy hey, why I actually bother with facts when ATT shills send out talking notes with super cool fonts and colors.

oh, and there's a little astroturf in your dribble.
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Re: Ridiculous

That's an issue of not regulating the technology used, like they do in Europe. If we had regulated technology, then we'd have the same freedoms. But we don't. Yes, there is ONE $750 phone that works on both T-Mobile and AT&T. But that's not really big competition there.

Somnambul33t, That's a good point. There should be some regulation, but that's absolutely true that AT&T is a much better buyer than anyone else. They will actually make use of the spectrum, instead of Sprint that has more spectrum and towers than any other carrier and still providers crap service. That, and I don't think that 30 million iPhone contract is true. It makes ZERO sense for an Android-heavy company with 27 million postpaid customers.

@asdfdfdfdfdf, Get a real account first, but there already are two players who own the market, disrupting that duopoly is a whole lot better than letting it continue on.

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T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

T-Mobile's parent company doesn't want it. If AT&T doesn't buy it and dismantle it then some other company (other than Verizon or Sprint as I doubt they'd get approval) will.

Regardless if AT&T prevails or not, T-Mobile has already been severely weakened. »www.tmonews.com/2011/11/with-the···om-here/

Basically the only "positive" thing that could happen to T-Mobile would be if some outside (non-mobile provider) 3rd party ends up buying it.

As for Sprint, I'm not sure what's in it for them. T-Mobile and Sprint don't use the same technology so even if Sprint could buy T-Mobile (which they can't), they wouldn't be able to really merge together.
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Re: T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

Google should buy it. I hear they've always wanted an entire put together wireless company.
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Re: T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

said by Gbcue:

Google should buy it. I hear they've always wanted an entire put together wireless company.

Somehow I doubt that would get approval either since Google would then own the OS (Android), hardware (Motorola) and the mobile provider. That would give them a big advantage.
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Re: T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

said by Morac:

said by Gbcue:

Google should buy it. I hear they've always wanted an entire put together wireless company.

Somehow I doubt that would get approval either since Google would then own the OS (Android), hardware (Motorola) and the mobile provider. That would give them a big advantage.

So they're not allowed to have vertical integration?

It wasn't too long ago that the wireless carrier would control the provider (duh), the hardware (spec'ed from the manufacturer) and the OS...
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Re: T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

said by Gbcue:

said by Morac:

said by Gbcue:

Google should buy it. I hear they've always wanted an entire put together wireless company.

Somehow I doubt that would get approval either since Google would then own the OS (Android), hardware (Motorola) and the mobile provider. That would give them a big advantage.

So they're not allowed to have vertical integration?

It wasn't too long ago that the wireless carrier would control the provider (duh), the hardware (spec'ed from the manufacturer) and the OS...

The provider may have had influence of the manufactures (until Apple changed that), but they didn't own them outright.

Do you think the iPhone would ever come to T-Mobile if Google bought it?

And what would happen if Google-Mobile (or whatever Google would call it) suddenly made it so that Motorola Android sets would be free with contract, but other phones would cost the normal $50 to $200?
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Re: T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

said by Morac:

The provider may have had influence of the manufactures (until Apple changed that), but they didn't own them outright.

Do you think the iPhone would ever come to T-Mobile if Google bought it?

And what would happen if Google-Mobile (or whatever Google would call it) suddenly made it so that Motorola Android sets would be free with contract, but other phones would cost the normal $50 to $200?

The iPhone would then never come to T-Mobile. As if it is now?

Nothing would happen if Google-Mobile made Motorola handsets for free. Specific pricing for phones already happens. A carrier may run sales such as free handsets, etc. Amazon was selling phones (only some phones, not all) for a penny during the Black Friday sales.
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Re: T-Mobile will end up gone one way or another

I have to agree with GBcue, Google would be a nice match for an mobile service provider expecially TMO, If they don't own it overall, or partner in it similar to Voda/verizon making them... GT- Mobile. Also the Iphone is not coming to Tmobile or any other carried that takes over TMOs 1700mhz band until Apple decides to include a radio that supports the band.. However If Google and TMO were to partner up I can already see the the Google developers looking for a way to entice all those owners of old Iphones 2/3/4 ( no longer under apples control) to Come over to Google/Tmoble and receive a software flash turning your Iphone OS into Android OS.. namely Ice cream sandwich (ICS)...

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Imagine Google and Apple and MS getting into a bidding war for T-mo. So they could have their own wireless service with exclusive phones.

I doubt that would ever be allowed to happen, but it would be fun to see.
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Google would make a nice partner for TMO...

OR

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said by Morac:

As for Sprint, I'm not sure what's in it for them. T-Mobile and Sprint don't use the same technology so even if Sprint could buy T-Mobile (which they can't), they wouldn't be able to really merge together.

It's technically possible for Sprint to buy T-Mobile as they bought Nextel that used a completely different network (Motorola iDEN technology, which has gone the wayside) and they just shuttered the iDEN network and migrated the former Nextel customers to CDMA. If Sprint does buy T-Mobile, hybrid GSM/CDMA handsets ARE commercially available and can handoff from one network to another, depending on which signal is stronger. That technology is already used with international roaming on VZW/Sprint with their global ready devices.
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Bring back Cingular !

In hindsight, Cingular should have bought T-Mobile instead of AT&T Wireless.

That would have made for a more competitive environment.

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Re: Bring back Cingular !

Cingular was a partnership between SBC and Bell South before SBC bought Bell South, which in turn purchased ATT. All the same parties involved...
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Actually what should have happened is that Vodaphone and Verizon should have come to an agreement on a valuation of Vodaphone's interest in VZW. Then Vodaphone could have bought ATT Wireless instead of Cingular. But alas they couldn't pick a price for Verizon to buyout Vodaphone so they are still part owners of VZW today.

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Cooking? Meth, maybe...


Boy, they sure must want that company bad. I guess the quick grab of a lower-tier operator to boost their customer base to the top of the pile is more important than fixing their ills.

Sure hope this deal gets nipped in the proverbial bud.

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Comcast will buy it

Them along with TWC to make their merger with TWC that much better in 2016

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Occupy AT&T

A lot of good comments here - especially from tcope, mech1164 (and John Dvorak), elray, buddahbless, etc. Also T Jefferson.

The "crazy sig" I've had in these forums for years rings true, yet again.

(I wonder what happened to pnh102's post.)

I also wonder what happened to my AT&T reviews. Do old reviews time out???

The corruption that leads to deals like this going forward are what the Occupy movement is actually about.
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