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2008-Feb-21 10:48 am
Send mine to...I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please! | |
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Re: Send mine to...said by rosco35:I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please! what he said | |
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Re: Send mine to...I wil take the cheque. | |
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actually, since there's no way in hell consumers will see a dime, I would prefer that any telecom executives and lawyers that signed off on or agreed to do this for the government GO TO JAIL!
I don't know if the article talks about criminal penalties, but sending several top executive and top lawyers to jail would certainly provide a good lesson in civic responsibility. | |
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Re: Send mine to...Civic responsibility??? Oh Please theres none of that in this country. As long as theres a Government or a Corporate Boss the sheep in this country will do whatever they are told even if its wrong. Its a shame. | |
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| Old_GrouchDon't just sit there silly DO something Premium Member join:2004-05-26 Greenwood, IN
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Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years... Then, they'll sell their long distance business to Quest. When Quest nearly goes belly-up from honoring all the free long distance, at&t will buy Quest on the steps of the bankruptcy court...for pennies on the dollar of course. Totally bogus...but fun to imagine. | |
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Re: Send mine to...said by Old_Grouch:Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years... That certainly wouldn't surprise me. My wife had to rent a car awhile back, and apparently the company was involved in a class-action lawsuit that was effective during the time she had rented the car. The company sent her a discount coupon for her next car rental, which expired a few months later. And since neither of us had any reason to rent a car, the coupon went unused. Since most people don't rent cars on a regular basis, I doubt the company was out any significant amount of money. | |
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Re: Send mine to...The class action lawyers are the ones who screwed you there. They're the ones who make the real money, the customers get a fraction of what they should. | |
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said by Old_Grouch:Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years... you mean a month after you get them cause it took so long for them to get them to you. | |
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said by rosco35:I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please! I want mine in Gold! | |
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mlundin
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2008-Feb-21 10:51 am
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MrMoody
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2008-Feb-21 10:52 am
Class Action LawyersUntil the lawyers get done dealing and you get a coupon for one free month. | |
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Re: Class Action LawyersBut you'll have to send away for that coupon at your own expense! | |
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No you give too much credit to the process. If this does proceed, we'll get the netflix deal. One coupon for a free upgrade for a month and then you MUST cancel that upgrade if you don't want to be billed for it!! | |
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Boricua
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2008-Feb-21 10:52 am
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2008-Feb-21 10:53 am
I'll settle right nowfor half.
Just send me a check. | |
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Re: I'll settle right nowSame here | |
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2008-Feb-21 10:57 am
NegligibleEven if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is chump change. They'd still easily have billions leftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel. | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:09 am
Re: Negligiblesaid by POB:Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is chump change. They'd still easily have billions leftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel. Maybe you should go back to math camp. 40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx $5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that. | |
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Re: NegligibleSo, for the record, do you support AT&T and VZ doing such massive monetary damage to the American People? | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:15 am
Re: NegligibleWhat massive monetary damage to the American people? | |
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Re: Negligible5.8 trillion in damages and it looks like the figure could be 10 trillion...
edit: speelin and mixed my billions with trillions | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:59 am
Re: NegligibleThat damage would be to AT&T, not the American people...unless you're assuming AT&T will be found liable and the govt will bail them out at the expense of the American people's tax dollars. | |
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Re: Negligibleuh... the damages are in compensation for the violation of FISA law.
My implication was that, since TK is a strong supporter of civil damages (i.e. RIAA), he should have no moral bias towards the imposition of these types of fines towards a business entity which clearly violated the law and as such should be held accountable (as we have heard ad nauseum)
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2008-Feb-21 12:37 pm
Re: NegligibleUmm, ok. Sorry to ruin your fun I guess | |
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said by backness:a business entity which clearly violated the law What do we do about 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) which grants immunity merely if the AG certifies that a warrant isn't necessary? Or, U.S.C. 2702(a)(3) & (c) was amended in 2006 to reduce "reasonable belief" of "imminent danger" to merely "good faith belief" of "danger" (not imminent)? Mark | |
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2008-Feb-21 5:36 pm
Re: Negligiblesaid by amigo_boy:said by backness:a business entity which clearly violated the law What do we do about 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) which grants immunity merely if the AG certifies that a warrant isn't necessary? Or, U.S.C. 2702(a)(3) & (c) was amended in 2006 to reduce "reasonable belief" of "imminent danger" to merely "good faith belief" of "danger" (not imminent)? Mark Maybe Robespierre had the right idea... | |
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Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws? | |
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Re: Negligiblesaid by bear73:Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws? I'm ok with that. But, until then, it seems like fear mongering itself to say AT&T "clearly violated the law" when there are laws that clearly would cover the activity. It's this kind of mentality which causes me to understand AT&T's desire for immunity. Mark | |
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Re: Negligiblesaid by amigo_boy:said by bear73:Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws? I'm ok with that. But, until then, it seems like fear mongering itself to say AT&T "clearly violated the law" when there are laws that clearly would cover the activity. It's this kind of mentality which causes me to understand AT&T's desire for immunity. Mark Please tell me which law protects at&t when they violated the law? | |
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As of the BellSouth merger they had 70 million landline customers...I assume they've lost a few million off of that total, but I'm not sure it's 30 million?
Still, yeah, with 70 million x $140,000 = $10 trillion? | |
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Re: Negligiblesaid by Karl Bode:As of the BellSouth merger they had 70 million landline customers...I assume they've lost a few million off of that total, but I'm not sure it's 30 million? Still, yeah, with 70 million x $140,000 = $10 trillion? I'm fairly sure BS merger occured after the lawsuits were filed, and the FISA court oversight was re-established. Howevere the BS/AT&T merger adds additional assets to the pot to be distributed to plantiffs. | |
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said by FFH5:Maybe you should go back to math camp. This one time, at math camp... | |
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said by FFH5:Maybe you should go back to math camp. 40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx $5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that. Before you jump on someone else pretending you know everything, perhaps you should go to law school - $146k is at best a very generous, above all, educated guess based on what the blogger at Legality believes a jury would award. If At&t were ever forced to settle, rest assured, the amount would be significantly less. | |
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said by FFH5:said by POB:Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is chump change. They'd still easily have billions leftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel. Maybe you should go back to math camp. 40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx $5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that. Sure they can. They can sell off all of their asset etc...i am sure that will bring 5.8 trilian when everything is said and done. | |
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The best government money can buy.Don't hold your breath for any form of compensation. The telcos will probably receive immunity because they have the best government money can buy. | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:10 am
Awesome!I need the money!!! | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:17 am
Gold Ill take mine in gold bars as it is probally triple that amount or more. | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:19 am
prove itFirst you have to prove you were tapped, which the gov't will say "state secret" and toss the case...
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2008-Feb-21 11:26 am
pffttt....Now you know why there is a such a great push for retroactive immunity. It is/always about the money. No one gives a rats a$$ about your rights..Peace | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:30 am
what a shameIt's such a shame. It's not even all about the money. Sure, they'll claim it is, and logically the numbers will be extremely huge because they're freaking "ma bell" (got the ill communication ). It's more about being responsible. They ought to just go ahead and admit it. Everyone knows what's really going on anyway, and the whole "oooh, but our secrets can't get out.." excuse is beyond lame. Nobody cares so much about HOW they're doing what they're doing, it's the why. Not many people disagree that yes, they should be able to tap some things for purposes of tracking down a person, as long as 1) they have a just cause 2) they'll keep their end of the bargain and get a warrant - even if it is 'after the fact' by their most generous time limits of, what is it, 90 days??? If the agents can't even get a warrant within that time frame, then doesn't it seem reasonable that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't worth it in the first place and they should move on to "bigger fish" or something that might be worthwhile? The part(s) most people have problems with, is all this is the idiotic notion that everything must be tapped and that big brother must watch everything. Why? What good does it do to have extraneous information that's completely irrelevant? It's not only wasteful, it's underhanded, pretentious, and apparently, it used to be illegal. Not illegal anymore I guess. That must be nice to be able to just change the laws to suit your self. Why not give retroactive immunity to non-violent small time criminals who are overcrowding prisons across this country? | |
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This news item actually makes sense, sort of.quote: While highly unlikely given AT&T's lobbying & legal prowess, these kind of numbers make it a little more clear why AT&T and Verizon have been spending millions in DC over the past few years in order to get legal immunity for their involvement in these programs.
Well, DUH. This is exactly what I've been saying in other news article comments as this story unfolds. This is not about "illegal wiretapping" or "breaking the law". This is about a company trying to stay out of class action lawsuit hell. My comment is: why shouldn't AT&T spend money on lobbying this issue? First, it's perfectly legal. Second, it's manifestly clear from a business point of view that it's in their interest to avoid being liable for billions or trillions of dollars in damages. If you owned stock in AT&T and they did not try to avoid these liabilities, you'd probably sue them for malfeasance. quote: Congress is currently on vacation, but when they return the House will be tasked with deciding whether or not to fight, or support, these companies' request for immunity as they move to renew FISA.
Jon, you've left out some important points. (a) Congress left without renewing FISA at all! Your story completely glosses over that little detail. Instead the Democrats decided to ram through procedurally loaded deals against the Justice Department over their hiring and firing practices. They've prioritized election-year partisan manuvering above working on national security. (b) The immunity deal is a small part of FISA. You make it sound like that's the biggest issue. It's not. | |
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Is it applicable to current subscribers only???Just over 2 years ago I dumped AT&T when they merged(gobbled up) with SBC and screwed up my phonebill I joined Vonage and now experience unlimited "Whenever" minutes to all of the U.S and Canada "eh" | |
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2008-Feb-21 11:42 am
already dropped?I thought the courts refused to hear this due to lack of evidence (which was unavailable due to "national security" concerns)??? | |
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Giving back...AT&T Giving back to their customers???? :: SHOCKED ::
Oh wait, they were forced to because they did something potentially illegal... doesn't count as charity or community service or doing your customers a service. | |
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The bottom line is VERY SIMPLE.AT&T and the others KNEW what they were doing was illegal. End of case. Do the crime, pay the fine. No if's, and, or but's about it. The LAWYERS at AT&T KNEW it was illegal, but the executives of said companies chose to ignore their advice. Guess what, the SHAREHOLDERS are the ones who are going to pay, not the public. I hope to hell AT&T is forced to pay out at least 40 billion in fines. That's the ONLY way the other megacorps are going to finally realize that breaking the law, WHEN THEY KNOW ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME, is going to cost them. So guess what shareholders, all your investments are going to be worthless. Oh well, you knew you were dealing with an evil company, but your greed overrode your common sense. Now you suffer for that same greed. | |
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I will be real fair with themI will be happy with a FTTH connection. With a 15/5 connection, maxed TV in every room of my home, and TRUE unlimited voip and TRUE unlimited cell with data. I will even pay them $75 a month for that and they can keep my money. That I think is a pretty fair deal. | |
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Hey AT&TI'll take mines in the form of a VZ Fios style FTTP connection, that 146,000 sounds about right to replace all the copper and install the needed fiber componets for my area, thats including union labor. | |
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Re: Hey AT&TSo, you're only about 1,000 feet from the fiber distro? | |
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No, see i even said that included replacing the copper (meaning whats up on the poles/underground feeding the neighborhood) with fiber, multiply that 146,000 by at least 20-50 homes in my neighborhood, they would have plenty to replace the copper with fiber. | |
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How about a compromise...How about a compromise...
The telecom companies: * Provide a reasonable over view of their warrentless wiretapping activities * Agree to cease such illegal wiretapping efforts going forward. * Agree to help fund (a few million each) and agree work with a independent committee (EFF?) for the protection of civil liberties in the digital era (think "ethics commitee")
In exchance we the people will cease existing lawsuits and agree not to go after damages. | |
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