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AT&T wants to control the browser, the content, and the bandwidth...
(old news - 12:54PM Tuesday Apr 22 2008)
tags: competition · business · Op/Ed · telco · content · AT&T U-Verse · AT&T DSL Service
From the "we're terrified of becoming a dumb pipe" and "that ad revenue sure looks tasty" departments comes news that AT&T is developing their own web browser, dubbed Pogo. The new browser is Mozilla based and includes 3D visual technology developed by Vizible, which AT&T has a stake in. The private beta just launched last week and a video demo is available here.

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The browser's "3D" GUI is a bit of a system pig (for a browser), requiring a 1.6GHz processor, 2GB of RAM, and a video card with at least 256MB of VRAM. Tabs are instead called "cells," and the browser requires XP or Vista. Judging from this Forbes report, the primary goal is to grab a bigger slice of the advertising pie, and to further burn the AT&T brand into your consciousness:
"Interacting with a browser is the first thing people do when they get online," says David Krantz, AT&T's vice president for business development. "If we can give them something better, that will give us a deeper connection with our customers."
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Of course if you give users a piece of bloated crap painted blue and tied to the AT&T brand, that idea may backfire. Early impressions aren't exactly stellar. While it's only in early beta, major complaints include the high system specs, slow performance, bookmark import issues and a generally unintuitive interface.

The idea of an AT&T browser may leave some pining for a world where the money put into mediocre, also-ran content portals and browsers is instead put back into the network or customer support. How many FTTH installs or support training courses would the AT&T Blueroom and Pogo budgets fund? How many 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 installs could Comcast afford with the money used to buy film portal Fandango and develop Fancast?

It's literally a pipe dream. For years, telecom industry executives have believed that the money being made by dedicated content operators belongs in their pockets. It's fairly clear that in AT&T's ad-dollar dream world, AT&T offers the browser, the content, and the bandwidth. Unfortunately, if the content and browser don't top the competition and flounder, they might regret not spending that money on their core business. Last I checked, that business was running a network they claim lacks ample capacity.

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MysticGogeta
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Have to say it: Better off with IE Then this

Think about it AT&T hands data over to the government left and right do you want to install a browser from them so they can get into your computer more?
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Re: Have to say it: Better off with IE Then this

DUR.
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said by MysticGogeta See Profile :

Think about it AT&T hands data over to the government left and right do you want to install a browser from them so they can get into your computer more?
Fitting that the logo looks like a coiled snake...

Old_Grouch
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Re: Have to say it: Better off with IE Then this

said by ross See Profile :

Fitting that the logo looks like a coiled snake...
Oh.

I thought it was one of those CFL lighty bulb thingabobs.

You know, the ones that come on dull and are full of gas.
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Re: Have to say it: Better off with IE Then this

said by Old_Grouch See Profile :

...the ones that come on dull and are full of gas...
Sounds like an Old_Grouch to me...

MysticGogeta
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Re: Have to say it: Better off with IE Then this

said by ross See Profile :

said by Old_Grouch See Profile :

...the ones that come on dull and are full of gas...
Sounds like an Old_Grouch to me...

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said by Old_Grouch See Profile :

said by ross See Profile :

Fitting that the logo looks like a coiled snake...
Oh.

I thought it was one of those CFL lighty bulb thingabobs.
Nah. It's a warning sign that a) it's a screw-up, and b) you're screwed if you use it.
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morbo
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this is innovation?


the browser market is already crowded. this is not innovative thinking. destined for failure.

en102
Canadian, eh?

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Re: this is innovation?

AT&T will become what AOL was in the world of Dialup...
Content, browser, email and portal controller.
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NewLife
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Re: this is innovation?

said by en102 See Profile :

AT&T will become what AOL was in the world of Dialup...
Content, browser, email and portal controller.
And then the grim reaper will come and put it in its final resting place. Geez, Comcast is looking better all the time.

en102
Canadian, eh?

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Re: this is innovation?

Basically its a case of 'pick your poison'.

AT&T
- AT&T sniffing/playing police with media as content police
- Eavesdropping on your phone lines with NSA
- Reselling who knows what data and to whom
- High priced MS IPTV (don't need to spy on anyone.. Windows CE STB's will do it w/o issue)
- Forced bundle of TV for VoIP or Internet

Comcast
- Network management practices = bad news for many
- High(er) priced than most others
- Moving basic tiers to higher end packages - and disputes with content providers (Big10?)

I think I'll stay on the indie ISP and DirecTv for a while longer. I was able to get 4 channels of HDA OTA with a set of basic rabbit ears - I wonder what a 'real' antenna would get me. My inlaws get 53 OTA HD channels in the San Fernando Valley.
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benyto
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said by morbo See Profile :

destined for failure.
I'm not so sure about that. It may turn out that AT&T will include this in the installation CD that is "required" to get online with their service. It could be set as the users' default browser and may automatically launch from some sort of "Connect to the Internet" shortcut installed to the Windows desktop. Remember not all end users are savvy enough to use some sort of consumer grade router to maintain their connection at all times and to know that they can use whatever browser they wish when they have an active connection. They also may not know that they don't have to install any software provided by AT&T in their self-install kit or whatever they do these days.

morbo
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Re: this is innovation?

i disagree.

imagine the chaos of firefox being installed by default on all new dsl or cable installs. no doubt it will also cause problem with the integration of ie with xp and vista...

not to mention the ill feelings people have toward AT&T. they could at least not be so obnoxious and arrogant about their ambitions. do one of those stupid toolbar search things first. see how it works. THEN attempt a new browser.

en102
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Re: this is innovation?

I guess Fedora Core would be out of the question for AT&T as well.
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benyto
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said by morbo See Profile :

i disagree.

imagine the chaos of firefox being installed by default on all new dsl or cable installs.
An ISP providing/installing a branded browser is not a new thing. Why should this be any different.

morbo
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Re: this is innovation?

there's a difference between installing a new browser over "branding" IE, as is usually the case.

benyto
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Re: this is innovation?

I'm curious what you think the problems will be, and why those problems would stop AT&T from installing their browser as a default. You make some claim about integration problems with XP and Vista. Surely many people use Firefox, Opera, or other non-Microsoft browsers on those platforms. What show-stopping integration problems do you foresee that would stop AT&T from doing such a thing?

For what it's worth I don't use Windows. I don't know of the existence or absence of such problems. I'm not trying to bait you in to anything here. I'm honestly curious if you know of something that would make this a headache that isn't worthwhile for AT&T to try. It is not something I would put past them.

Dan
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»arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/pog···ok.ars/1

"We decided once again to step it up and run Pogo on a dual-processor Opteron 256 with two 3GHz CPUs, 4GB of RAM, and an NVIDIA 8800 GT video card with 512MB of VRAM. From here, we were finally able to use Pogo enough to actually find out how well it works—for the most part, anyway."

"Keeping a handful of cells open means you are going to take major performance hits and have your resources gobbled up too—on our Opteron 256 machine, Pogo began to slow down with just three cells open, and with more than that, it became stuttery and annoying to use."

Keep in mind this is a beast of a machine they are running it on. Keep in mind that "Cells" are tabs.

I would be offended if AT&T were to start offering this to me, as apparently they feel I'm an illiterate clod who can only navigate the web with glossy freaking pictures of websites, and that a Website Title isn't enough to distinguish on page from another.

javaMan
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said by benyto See Profile :

said by morbo See Profile :

destined for failure.
I'm not so sure about that. It may turn out that AT&T will include this in the installation CD that is "required" to get online with their service. . .
Required? Perhaps you were being facetious since required was in quotes, but AFAIK there has never been a requirement to connect your system to AT&T's DSL service using their installation software. In fact, when friends of mine get their service I advise them against using it. But you're right, too many people run that crap because they don't know any better and I'm also sure you're right that it will be one of the foremost installations on their CD.
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benyto
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Re: this is innovation?

said by javaMan See Profile :

Required? Perhaps you were being facetious since required was in quotes
More or less. I'm well aware any software provided by AT&T for their DSL installations is not required.
cerone

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Hold on a sec...if you know what you are doing with the equiptment provided from AT&T, you don't need the provided software. The IP address of the DSL modem provided from AT&T is 192.168.1.254, when you type this address in your browser, it will take you to the modem setup and all you will need to do is enter your email address and password, and off you go!!!

benyto
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Re: this is innovation?

said by cerone See Profile :

Hold on a sec...if you know what you are doing with the equiptment provided from AT&T, you don't need the provided software.
Perhaps I needed to add some [sarcasm] tags or some images to my initial post. I thought I had made it clear that the AT&T provided software wasn't actually required. You know, the part that read "They also may not know that they don't have to install any software provided by AT&T".

BF69

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I wonder if my P4 and PC3200 RAM can handle that browser? [/sarcasm]

hopeflicker
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Another marketing gimmic

***eyes roll****

money, money, money, money, monnay!!!!

N10Cities
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Electronic Arts may have an issue with the name....

www.pogo.com is a popular online gaming site owned by them....
kingdomware

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Re: Electronic Arts may have an issue with the name....

Pogo.com is owned by EA (Electronic Arts)

Go Madden
moonpuppy

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Hmmm....

I just got my hands on a Wii and I have to say, the Wii is looking more like the appliance of the future than this browser. News, weather, messages and even some web browsing all in one unit (not even accounting for the games.)

Still waiting for a touch screen and some voice prompting.
SierraRob

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Prather, CA

Hmmm...

<tinfoilhat>
Perhaps M$ maid a secret, huge payment to AT&T to do this so that everyone will think "maybe IE isn't so bad after all!"
</tinfoilhat>

KrK
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Two Words:

EPIC FAIL.

MisterMarcus

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Re: Two Words:

This picture just made me crack up for some reason.

mrchris
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Security holes

I wonder how many holes in the browser there will be on launch.

Raptor
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Re: Security holes

At least one, large enough for the NSA.

jgkolt
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dead product

so the product takes a lot of resources and assumed bandwidth. now att needs to provide the better bandwidth and the cycle continues. The market is already crowded with browsers opera safari firefox ie etc. but i see their point in promoting it. it is nice to see they are embracing firefox.
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Mizzat
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Man these people must not be used to betas

Aparently these people don't use a beta or alpha much. They are always much more resource intensive than the actual product. Any closed beta I've been in runs a hellva lot slower than the final product.

It looks like an interesting concept, though.
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Re: Man these people must not be used to betas

Not always Longhorn builds and Beta Vista builds ran better than Windows Vista Final.
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Re: Man these people must not be used to betas

Not true. Vista Beta ran as shitty as the final. no better, no worse.

Maxo
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Yahoo! Browser

Is this going to match in greatness as the Yahoo! browser from days of ole? Man that thing really stormed the market with it's integrated, uh, stuff.
Now they come back with a browser that is slow and pointless. What won't these guys come up with?
lvlorpheus

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Re: Yahoo! Browser

said by Maxo See Profile :

What won't these guys come up with?
O, this is a easy one.

1.) More American jobs
2.) Less out sourcing
3.) FiOS
4.) Deployment to unserved areas
5.) Deployment to under severed areas
6.) Faster download speed
7.) Faster upload speeds
8.) Saying no to warrant less wiretaps
9.) Dual HD Feed
10.) Retirement and replacement of copper lines
11.) Truly completive VoIP pricing

Well thats a start anyways. I am sure the list could be added to.
dlewis23

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I hate to say it but.

As much as I hate to say it, this is probably going to be a bad ass browser, and make all the others rethink how they do things. And since its mozilla based security shouldn't be a huge problem.
Lineage
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Wow

I thought I was reading the specs off Call of Duty 4 when I saw the system requirements for that thing.

And they call it a browser?

ARGONAUT
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Vaderware

The New Death Star has a web browser.

Looks like allot of memory is needed with all the visual effects.

Doctor Four
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"Piece of bloated crap painted blue"

This phrase probably describes AT&T's new browser perfectly.

TheRul
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Victorville, CA
·Verizon FIOS

already been done

Something very simular (although 2D) to this has been done. A small company called "DirectWeb" tried this, and gave PCs at a cheap price. They failed because they could not get the revenue, nor the customers.

Sometimes bad ideas just keep coming around.
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jmurray

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How long til?

How long until you have rent your browser from AT&T, because you can only use the AT&T browser on the AT&T Internet?

Count Zero
MD2Be
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Re: How long til?

That's a SICK thought.

Why can't ISPs be happy as dumb pipes? I've never used anything my ISPs offer.
Surfinusa
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They Would be better off ......

Buying and recreating/re-invent AOL's Netscape Nav and fix it from what AOL did to it make a mobile version.

Or

Asking for Google to help create a browser to fit their needs.

Though ATT cash rich has to spend the money somewhere besides provisioning POTS.
nitzan
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Re: They Would be better off ......

How about Google creates the browser, WITHOUT AT&T?

Seriously, those companies are exactly opposite of each other. Google innovative, clued, and fresh. AT&T old, greedy, clueless, and anything but fresh!
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Clearly not up on your browser history- for the most part the "Mozilla" development team is an outgrowth of Netscape- AOL shut down most of the division. Firefox is really basically an outgrowth of the old Netscape Navigator (actually, SeaMonkey, the former Mozilla suite, is a more direct successor)... so you already have your Netscape successor.
Surfinusa
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Re: They Would be better off ......

Yeh, Clearly.

sbrook
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It's your internet

It's your internet
View it Our Way!
nitzan
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...

Yet another brilliant idea from Randal Stephenson's crew. That guy is going to bring AT&T down the toilet faster than you can say "let's outsource it to India".

I refuse to buy AT&T on principal - they're worse than Micro$oft these days.
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KrK
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Re: ...

... Reminds me of this

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY
nitzan
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Re: ...

lol!

winsyrstrife
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