 | | so much LTE, but lots more EDGE I understand the big push for LTE, but there are so many markets with EDGE yet, or poorly performing UMTS (3G). This should really be a focus on UMTS to all or most markets. Again, folks in rural areas are left in the dark, no cable, no DSL, no wireless broadband, no 3G..... | |
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Bel Air, MD | Re: so much LTE, but lots more EDGE Because if they did focus on UMTS, you would bash them that they can't get LTE fast enough to catch up to Verizon? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: so much LTE, but lots more EDGE He might not, but I would, since I'm pretty sure VZ has more LTE coverage now than AT&T has HSPA+  | |
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Bel Air, MD | Re: so much LTE, but lots more EDGE I can see that. AT&T is only up this high on the charts because of the iPhone. A lots bought the iPhone despite crappy 3G service. Lots of legacy people there who find moving carriers way too hard. | |
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| | | | | said by iansltx:He might not, but I would, since I'm pretty sure VZ has more LTE coverage now than AT&T has HSPA+
I would hope so; what Verizon has been pushing as "3G" in my area is pa-thet-ic. | |
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| Re: so much LTE, but lots more EDGE So I should look at the maps, but the maps are wrong...???
Also, Give Verizon a month or two. They'll cover that area as well, well before AT&T ever gets LTE there.
Sure, you can argue that VZW needs the upgrade to LTE from EvDO more than AT&T needs its upgrade from HSPA+. However in many places AT&T's network hits maybe 2 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up on HSPA...you an get those kinds of speeds on EvDO....and no LTE upgrade is in sight. | |
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| Re: so much LTE, but lots more EDGE Att won't list 3g in areas they only have edge. They're fairly accurate but not super accurate.
Discrimination between hspa and hspa+ is more subjective however. Some of their regular 3g network are new but not declared hspa+, because they are not connected to fiber network. That's especially true for more rural areas. Dubuque did not have 3g from att at all before march 2011. If IBM there wasn't setting its shop with att as its network vendor then this place would probably never see 3g. | |
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Camden, TN | Big f-ing deal I live 75 miles from Nashville and at&t can't even provide 3G. And they wonder why I'm not a customer. WTF good is smartphone data plan on EDGE? Verizon will have 4G here while at&t will still be offering 2G. | |
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| bnceo
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Bel Air, MD | Re: Big f-ing deal Then don't get a smartphone on AT&T. Simple solution. Go Sprint, go Verizon. Go local. Or maybe move to civilization. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Big f-ing deal said by bnceo:Then don't get a smartphone on AT&T. Simple solution. Go Sprint, go Verizon. Go local. Or maybe move to civilization.
I do live in civilization. Would you like ban for flaming? Sprint is just as bad. local? Doesn't exist and then if it did it wouldn't work outside my area. And I have Verizon. Maybe it would be nice to have OPTIONS. My point at&t makes a big deal out of this crap and they have so many areas still on EDGE. If you're refurbishing a house you don't start to redo the upstairs when the foundation needs repair. You fix the foundation FIRST. | |
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Bel Air, MD | Re: Big f-ing deal You totally missed the point. Beggers can't be choosers. If you want to have more than one option, you have to move to a place that provides those options. I don't expect to have customers in a place that I don't provide quality service at. So I bet AT&T really could care less about places that only have 2G.
Will it come, sure. But who knows when. In the meantime, sadly, you have to deal with only one choice and because of that, they can screw you if they wish. | |
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kudos:4 | You also fix a multi family house foundation first as you get more bang for your buck. Camden has what, maybe 4500 residents? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Big f-ing deal said by ptrowski:You also fix a multi family house foundation first as you get more bang for your buck. Camden has what, maybe 4500 residents?
So? Good enough for Verizon. Explain that. Everyone that doesn't live in a city of 50,000 or more should just go fuck themselves?
Putnam Ct has a population of 9600 so who are you to talk? | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Big f-ing deal I am not complaining at all as I already have 3G here on AT&T and have for a few years. And my iPhone 4S shows 4G, obviously not LTE but I will take it.
The point is a town with under a certain amount of residents is NOT a priority. | |
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said by BF69:said by ptrowski:You also fix a multi family house foundation first as you get more bang for your buck. Camden has what, maybe 4500 residents?
So? Good enough for Verizon. Explain that. Everyone that doesn't live in a city of 50,000 or more should just go fuck themselves? Putnam Ct has a population of 9600 so who are you to talk? | |
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| said by BF69:said by bnceo:Then don't get a smartphone on AT&T. Simple solution. Go Sprint, go Verizon. Go local. Or maybe move to civilization.
I do live in civilization. Would you like ban for flaming? Sprint is just as bad. local? Doesn't exist and then if it did it wouldn't work outside my area. And I have Verizon. Maybe it would be nice to have OPTIONS. My point at&t makes a big deal out of this crap and they have so many areas still on EDGE. If you're refurbishing a house you don't start to redo the upstairs when the foundation needs repair. You fix the foundation FIRST. Also, YOU can't ban anyone from the site, you can Hey Mod them. But just because you may not agree with their opinion doesn't make it flaming. You always post the same thing when there is a story about AT&T deployments.
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Camden, TN | Re: Big f-ing deal said by ptrowski:said by BF69:said by bnceo:Then don't get a smartphone on AT&T. Simple solution. Go Sprint, go Verizon. Go local. Or maybe move to civilization.
I do live in civilization. Would you like ban for flaming? Sprint is just as bad. local? Doesn't exist and then if it did it wouldn't work outside my area. And I have Verizon. Maybe it would be nice to have OPTIONS. My point at&t makes a big deal out of this crap and they have so many areas still on EDGE. If you're refurbishing a house you don't start to redo the upstairs when the foundation needs repair. You fix the foundation FIRST. Also, YOU can't ban anyone from the site, you can Hey Mod them. But just because you may not agree with their opinion doesn't make it flaming. You always post the same thing when there is a story about AT&T deployments. I did mod him and as you can see the mods removed some of his posts. If he gets anymore reports in a short amount of time he CAN be banned for 3, 7 or more days. | |
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How so? Sprint shows 2G voice and 3G EVDO coverage in Camden, TN. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Big f-ing deal said by SteelerRaw :said by BF69:Sprint is just as bad.
How so? Sprint shows 2G voice and 3G EVDO coverage in Camden, TN. So they say. And that's just recently updated on the website within the last month. I've seen someone with a Sprint cell phone that showed "no signal" despite being in an "excellent" coverage area according to the website. And this was outdoors. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Big f-ing deal said by BF69:So they say. And that's just recently updated on the website within the last month. Perhaps they just recently added coverage there within the last month...
I've seen someone with a Sprint cell phone that showed "no signal" despite being in an "excellent" coverage area according to the website. And this was outdoors.
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Camden, TN | Re: Big f-ing deal said by jwhite6069:I was in Camden about three weeks ago.....3g is up....Not on the map yet, But my at&t htc inspire was showing H+ and when I ran a speed test it was showing about 2.6 megs.
I'll try to find someone with an at&t phone and see. They're kind of hard to find. Maybe all the at&t staight talk phones the local wal-mart sells might be useful now. Ironically they don't sell Verizon straight talk phones here. But thanks for the heads-up. | |
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| Re: Big f-ing deal said by BF69:said by jwhite6069:I was in Camden about three weeks ago.....3g is up....Not on the map yet, But my at&t htc inspire was showing H+ and when I ran a speed test it was showing about 2.6 megs.
I'll try to find someone with an at&t phone and see. They're kind of hard to find. Maybe all the at&t staight talk phones the local wal-mart sells might be useful now. Ironically they don't sell Verizon straight talk phones here. But thanks for the heads-up. So you don't even know if your above statement "I live 75 miles from Nashville and at&t can't even provide 3G" is even correct?  | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Big f-ing deal said by Lark3po:said by BF69:said by jwhite6069:I was in Camden about three weeks ago.....3g is up....Not on the map yet, But my at&t htc inspire was showing H+ and when I ran a speed test it was showing about 2.6 megs.
I'll try to find someone with an at&t phone and see. They're kind of hard to find. Maybe all the at&t staight talk phones the local wal-mart sells might be useful now. Ironically they don't sell Verizon straight talk phones here. But thanks for the heads-up. So you don't even know if your above statement "I live 75 miles from Nashville and at&t can't even provide 3G" is even correct? At&t has NEVER provided 3G coverage before. Their websites says EDGE coverage only. What else do you want me to go by? That is at&t's own website. This guy who claims he came through Camden says his phone says there is 3G here. I'm not going to call him a liar since I can't verify his claim as of yet. He's the only one I know of that claims 3G service exists here. As I said until I can find someone with a 3G at&t phone I can prove what he said one way or another. And as I said those are hard to find because everyone uses Verizon.
IF 3G exists it's VERY VERY recent. And I'd be more than happy to be incorrect. But if you are insuating that we've had 3G for along time and I didn't know WTF I was talking about is VERY incorrect.
As I said if at&t has lit up 3G here within the last month, then great. Only 4 years after Verizon did it. Better late than never I guess. And within 6 months or so maybe even less Verizon will have 4G here. | |
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| Re: Big f-ing deal said by BF69:At&t has NEVER provided 3G coverage before. Their websites says EDGE coverage only. What else do you want me to go by? That is at&t's own website. This guy who claims he came through Camden says his phone says there is 3G here. I'm not going to call him a liar since I can't verify his claim as of yet. He's the only one I know of that claims 3G service exists here. As I said until I can find someone with a 3G at&t phone I can prove what he said one way or another. And as I said those are hard to find because everyone uses Verizon.
IF 3G exists it's VERY VERY recent. And I'd be more than happy to be incorrect. But if you are insuating that we've had 3G for along time and I didn't know WTF I was talking about is VERY incorrect.
As I said if at&t has lit up 3G here within the last month, then great. Only 4 years after Verizon did it. Better late than never I guess. And within 6 months or so maybe even less Verizon will have 4G here.
Fair enough.
So when you figure out that it is indeed available will you come back and edit your previous post? | |
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Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | Re: Big f-ing deal No then the complaints will move to lack of LTE. They never end... | |
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Bel Air, MD | Re: 3G to HSPA+ HSPA+ is kinda nice. Though them advertising it as 4G and then having 4G LTE is utterly confusing and created by suits in the marketing dept (probably from junior college). | |
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kudos:1 | Pathetic... What a joke.
Verizon is so far ahead of AT&T in deploying LTE it's ridiculous...
AT&T: 41 Total Markets
Verizon: 304 Total Markets
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I find it hard to believe that AT&T LTE deployment will be anywhere close to Verizon's LTE deployment when the next iPhone (presumably with LTE) launches this fall.
By the end of 2013, Verizon plans to offer full nationwide LTE coverage everywhere it has 3G coverage today.
Pathetic.
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Bel Air, MD | Re: Pathetic... It's not about the markets. It's about the amount of people.
A lot more to LTE than amt of markets. It's about the quality, the uptime, the building penetration, etc. Sure, AT&T deserves to get bashed for being late, but they are moving forward. That's all you can really ask. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Pathetic... If AT&T keeps moving forward this slowly, Sprint will catch up to them (watch how quickly Sprint deploys LTE in the next year and you'll see why I'm saying this).
As for quality, Verizon has it. Uptime? They've had outages but they appear to have fixed that. Building penetration? Negligible difference between AT&T's 700MHz and Verizon's.
I just find it surprising that, with all that backhaul that AT&T has in place for "HSPA+ with Enhanced Backhaul", how slowly the company is rolling out LTE. Granted, the markets Verizon is announcing now are smaller ones, but their last wave of new LTE cities outnumbers the total number of markets AT&T has deployed, and the population covered by even these smaller cities/LTE coverage improvements is more, as far as I can tell, than AT&T's TN markets that are now online.
Personally, if you want 4G there's absolutely no reason to go to AT&T. They're pretty much as expensive as Verizon, most of their network still doesn't have LTE (the majority of Verizon's network, by population covered, now does), and they don't have cheap rates like T-Mobile (or Sprint; you'll see LTE from them very soon, with unlimited data on smartphones no less). Pathetic. | |
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Exton, PA | Re: Pathetic... I think I'm confused about the "all that backhaul" statement.
They don't have any backhaul here and HSPA+ has been enabled for about a year, still don't hit more than 3-4mbps down and .2mbps up if you are lucky, right outside of Philadelphia in a wealthy area nonetheless. | |
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And even then, you're highly unlikely to see improvements anyway, since given that we are people, the CSRs are highly insulated from consumers, by the telephone.
What guarantee do you have that, if they tell you one thing, that they'll actually do that?
You don't, they might do something completely different (like hang up).
You can't get someone fired if they do a bad job for you (as the person calling in to complain). Again, you need a lot of other people to agree with you, and that's highly unlikely.
Good luck with that, since given that people like to complain to their friends, nothing will ever get done.
Having us be the regulators, what a terrible idea.
I'm surprised anyone can get anything done or agree on anything, really.
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Howell, MI | Re: AT&T Lte Verizon has 4G in Houghton, MI.
Not Houghton Lake, HOUGHTON (Keweenaw peninsula)
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Camden, TN | Re: AT&T Lte said by Jon Geb:Verizon has 4G in Houghton, MI.
Not Houghton Lake, HOUGHTON (Keweenaw peninsula)
AT&T is getting pwned.
yeah I noticed that. I have family that lives near there. So I pay attention to that area. While the UP is sparsely populated for the most part, Houghton is the home of Michigan Tech University which has 7000 undergrads. Which might explain why they got it sooner. I suspect Marquette will be the next UP area to get it since that county has about 75,000 people. | |
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Springfield, MO | LOL, by the time it hits my area They will be pushing something else, which is why I bought an international G-Note last December. I know my market will be one of the last to get 4G, since the city is only 200,000 & the area is only 500,000 population wise, if that.
H+ is fast enough for me, since I use wi-fi as much as possible.
I'm grandfathered on an unlimited everything plan, & will keep it that way as long as at&t doesn't take it away.
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