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I know there were a lot of people laid off because they wanted to slow down deployment.
...at least there is something for those who are left to work on. | |
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| | | Re: Yahoooooooooooo! The speeds won't change unless you were too far out to order at all before.
Then things might be better for you if you are in an area where they have extra pairs, the original engineering provided for those extra pairs to be dedicated to your home AND that those pairs actually make it all the way to your home and are defect free.
Soooooooo... Good luck! | |
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Cape Cod
kudos:1 | More open copper There are probably plenty of vacant copper pairs available, since so many people are going totally wireless, or using VoIP or Skype like services for a fraction of the cost of POTS.
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| | | Re: More open copper Doesn't work that way though.
The pairs have to be dedicated to a house...you can't swap them around like you suggest. | |
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| | | | Re: More open copper If turn off your phone and leave it dead for 4 months your pair will be given to someone els. | |
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join:2009-09-09
Corona, CA | Re: This is a old message i got from att AT&T should just shut their mouths and let their happy DSL customers speak for them. Wait ...
I'm in a small city of 150,000 that has AT&T as their primary DSL provider. I'd say less than 1/2 the city can get AT&T DSL speeds over 3mpbs, most under 1.5. Not advertised speed, actual stable download speed.
Yeah, the Three Mile rule means that unless you are within 1 mile of their central office, you probably aren't getting reliable service.
IIRC, we are about 2 miles out, and that means unstable speeds of 384k and huge slowdowns or shutdowns during peak hours.
After about 5-10 years of it with the service getting worse every year, we pulled the plug this year.
I've spent over $150,000 with AT&T (maybe twice that), and that's the best they can do as far as I can tell.
It's not enough. | |
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| | | | Re: This is a old message i got from att maybe you shouldn't do business with a business that offers what you appear to think is an inferior product. | |
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join:2009-09-09
Corona, CA | Re: This is a old message i got from att said by John McClane:maybe you shouldn't do business with a business that offers what you appear to think is an inferior product. Obviously that's what we had to do in the end. I don't switch vendors like most people do. If a company works with me, they are my source for life. I don't "bargain shop" for mission critical services. But it got so bad, we were losing customers. I had to drive home with a memory stick on many occasions to get a critical file sent. We were sending engineering data to customers before most companies even had email, c. 1993.
We started using Hughes Satellite as a backup system, but it had it's own problems, and is not good as a "primary" ISP. We still keep it for backup though.
AT&T told us that we could get us T-1 for ~$580 a month (1.5mbps) but would not guarantee it either, and it was a long contract term. No guarantee, no contract.
We still buy about $1000/month from AT&T last I checked, but hopefully we will terminate most of that by yearend. At peak, I believe we did $1800/month with them, IIRC. | |
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join:2001-06-26
Sugar Land, TX Reviews:
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1 edit | 1.5 is blazing fast compared to what I can get in Houston (in a pretty busy semi-urban part of Chinatown, at that). Try speeds of 300 kbps - I frequently see download speeds plummeting to barely dialup levels (as in 10 kB/s). That is, if the connection is at all usable, which isn't about 20% of the time (a massive improvement from a few weeks ago). One in a blue moon, the connection will actually burst up to 80 KB/s ... but that's still less than half of my advertised speed.
How this is considered acceptable ... I don't know. | |
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| Re: This is a old message i got from att I have been in Houston or its suburbs for the past 10 years and I can tell you ATT DSL has been solid as a rock for me. I have been in the northwest (Jersey Village), Westchase (Bw 8 and Westheimer) and The Woodlands. Each time my network has been spotless with their highest 6 meg service.
You need to get with ATT and see what the problems are for your line.
Now as for their billing ..well...that is just the other end of the spectrum. | |
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| ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? Seems kind of dumb to me. meanwhile Verizon is rolling out Fiber that gives consumers 100mb symmetrical connections and laughing in their face. I understand they invested heavily into the copper field and want to try and get some kind of ROI but that aint going to happen no matter how hard you keep trying to push down that technology it's nothing but a stop gap and worthless. | |
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| | | Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? said by RiseAbove: nothing but a stop gap and worthless. Obviously not...or they wouldn't be doing it. They are getting lots of takers on Uverse and it is the only thing (outside mobility/wireless) keeping the company profitable.
I agree though...push the fiber out and they would have a more reliable service. | |
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| Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? said by alfnoid:said by RiseAbove: nothing but a stop gap and worthless. Obviously not...or they wouldn't be doing it. They are getting lots of takers on Uverse and it is the only thing (outside mobility/wireless) keeping the company profitable. I agree though...push the fiber out and they would have a more reliable service. I agree that they are getting takers on Uverse doesn't mean the quality of the product is good or worth the money or that their current deployment of said product is a good move. | |
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by alfnoid:said by RiseAbove: nothing but a stop gap and worthless. Obviously not...or they wouldn't be doing it. They are getting lots of takers on Uverse and it is the only thing (outside mobility/wireless) keeping the company profitable. Um, they recieved 1.3 billion dollars for 07 through 09 to maintain those copper lines.. If they can't manage it with that free money tossed at them on top of subscriber funds.. Then they need to sell off some of their areas.. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | 100mb symmetrical is nice to "have" available, but at the price they want for it and that the industry wants to charge for it, AT&T is actually making a smart move.
With a smaller investment in bonded xDSL, they're spending less now and offering a service at which customers can use and take advantage of. 24mb isn't anything to sneeze at and will serve the purpose of customers very well for some time to come.
Comcast has their 50 and 100 meg service but who's going to pay comcast, in this economic environment of "cut back the monthly bills"... Meanwhile, AT&T is making a smaller investment int heir system, still making a killing on profit, sitting on a load of money in the process. Meanwhile, and yes I'm thinking sane here, AT&T could easily in the future take that pile of money and do an end run on everyone by doing a national deployment of fiber service IF they were smart. (ie: they're making higher profit margins now, save it, and have a better financial picture to make a HUGE stink later) If they were to do this, you know that tarnished reputation they have? ... improved over night. Most people are victims of the great American disease of "short term memory syndrome" and will forget about AT&T's past..
As it stands now, the phone industry is lauded by many people for their being "heros".. DSL was a lower cost, somewhat, and Verizon launched fiber. The younger generation tends to preference phone over cable because they were not part of the generation of phone customers who took it up the but to make calls. (Many younger generations forget that average phone bills just a decade or so ago were in the average price of $80+ a month)
Anyway... my statement above is predicated on the fact of AT&T actually making a smart move.. I won't hold my breath that they'd seize an opportunity because, well, they tend to look at numbers, and not the person's way of thinking in order to help gain maximum results. Part of business is thinking like your customer; a necessity in business.
But anyway.. like I was saying, having 100mb is one thing, they're still not doing much to see that customers will actually want to take it. It's more marketing than anything.I bet if you look at VZ's FiOS internet, the overwhelming majority of their customers still take their rock bottom tier with only a small handful taking higher speeds. | |
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| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? well Comcast is making a profit too, but the upside they have is that DOCSIS 3 gives them the speeds over the existing lines. id imagine the DOCSIS3 CMTS is just rackmount stuff that while not cheap is much cheaper than lots of line replacement and VRAD deployment. dont know if they have to replace the nodes or not though.
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? YUUUUUUP! DOCSIS 3 is a relatively easy upgrade compared to what AT&T has to do.. which, in itself, does say that copper coax/fiber isn't dead. (There's much life in hybrid fiber/coax, but what makes the difference is how it's designed, maintained, and operated)
There's only so much you can really do with a small twisted pair of copper though. AT&T is not going to be able to get past that for too much longer. It's going to be advances in technology and services that want to run over those twisted pairs that will be the end of traditional copper. I don't think AT&T is really paying attention to that.. just like Bill Gates and his 640k of ram comment. | |
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| said by fiberguy:100mb symmetrical is nice to "have" available, but at the price they want for it and that the industry wants to charge for it, AT&T is actually making a smart move. With a smaller investment in bonded xDSL, they're spending less now and offering a service at which customers can use and take advantage of. 24mb isn't anything to sneeze at and will serve the purpose of customers very well for some time to come. Comcast has their 50 and 100 meg service but who's going to pay comcast, in this economic environment of "cut back the monthly bills"... Meanwhile, AT&T is making a smaller investment int heir system, still making a killing on profit, sitting on a load of money in the process. Meanwhile, and yes I'm thinking sane here, AT&T could easily in the future take that pile of money and do an end run on everyone by doing a national deployment of fiber service IF they were smart. (ie: they're making higher profit margins now, save it, and have a better financial picture to make a HUGE stink later) If they were to do this, you know that tarnished reputation they have? ... improved over night. Most people are victims of the great American disease of "short term memory syndrome" and will forget about AT&T's past.. As it stands now, the phone industry is lauded by many people for their being "heros".. DSL was a lower cost, somewhat, and Verizon launched fiber. The younger generation tends to preference phone over cable because they were not part of the generation of phone customers who took it up the but to make calls. (Many younger generations forget that average phone bills just a decade or so ago were in the average price of $80+ a month) Anyway... my statement above is predicated on the fact of AT&T actually making a smart move.. I won't hold my breath that they'd seize an opportunity because, well, they tend to look at numbers, and not the person's way of thinking in order to help gain maximum results. Part of business is thinking like your customer; a necessity in business. But anyway.. like I was saying, having 100mb is one thing, they're still not doing much to see that customers will actually want to take it. It's more marketing than anything.I bet if you look at VZ's FiOS internet, the overwhelming majority of their customers still take their rock bottom tier with only a small handful taking higher speeds. wow you really went all out in your response. I understand and agree with a lot of your points but my original intent was to say that ATT's continue reliance on cooper is going to come back and bite them in the ass big time.
As it is now Uverse has a pretty horrible compressed HD image and offers at least to me a less than stellar product. As bit rates and performance become more important to consumers as they adapt to HD ATT will be far from be able to keep up with demand due to the structural limitations on their network.
Basically they are delaying spending a bunch of money so they can milk the customers till they reach a point where complaints out pace the demand and they are forced to make a change. It's ATT's motto, I know this because I use to work for them. | |
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? "Basically they are delaying spending a bunch of money so they can milk the customers till they reach a point where complaints out pace the demand and they are forced to make a change. It's ATT's motto, I know this because I use to work for them."
Pretty much what I was saying.. and guess what? When they do those massive upgrades, they'll come out smelling and looking like a hero too.
..same thing happened to Verizon. Verizon, quite honestly, is a horrible company. However, a lot of people think verizon is " 'da bomb" because they have that fiber stuff. Technology is great, same crappy company running it. However, people see the fiber as "what's good"... that's what AT&T will ultimately get out of this. | |
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| Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? said by fiberguy:"Basically they are delaying spending a bunch of money so they can milk the customers till they reach a point where complaints out pace the demand and they are forced to make a change. It's ATT's motto, I know this because I use to work for them." Pretty much what I was saying.. and guess what? When they do those massive upgrades, they'll come out smelling and looking like a hero too. ..same thing happened to Verizon. Verizon, quite honestly, is a horrible company. However, a lot of people think verizon is " 'da bomb" because they have that fiber stuff. Technology is great, same crappy company running it. However, people see the fiber as "what's good"... that's what AT&T will ultimately get out of this. Oh I know Verizon is a horrible company I deal with them dealing on the wireline and wireless side of things due to my job daily. In fact them and ATT are on the same page when it comes to crappy service but I think Verizon has it right with the fiber straight to the door and ATT is just playing catch up. | |
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join:2009-05-18
Decatur, GA Reviews:
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| I have Uverse I have Uverse 24 and Tv/Voip. Couldn't be happier.
Sounds like pair bonding won't boost my speed, but for my uses (gaming, streaming video) I'm fine on the 24 tier.
Just my opinion. (I'm also so close to the VRAD I can throw a rock and hit it...) | |
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join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL | Still not available to me "We're sorry. Currently, AT&T U-verse service isn't available for the address associated with this phone number"
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN |  Yawn
We still have no U-Verse in sight here, AT&T is still rocking their early 2000s DSL speed tiers. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | No sale. Still limited to 2 HD streams apparently? Not interested. | |
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|  lolwhatYou're getting warmerPremium
join:2001-06-11
PonziWorld | Re: No sale. Cable doesn't do whole-house DVR apparently? Not interested.   | |
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join:2008-04-26
Madera, CA | All AT&T customers going to be eligible? According to AT&T, they're starting to deploy pair bonding this week with plans to hit every market in all 22 AT&T states.
So if I'm reading that right, that means all AT&T customers are going to get U-verse? I live in the county by the way, I currently get ATT HSI Pro 3/512 that's the highest offered currently, can't wait to get U-verse. | |
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| decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: All AT&T customers going to be eligible? said by Madtown:According to AT&T, they're starting to deploy pair bonding this week with plans to hit every market in all 22 AT&T states. So if I'm reading that right, that means all AT&T customers are going to get U-verse? I live in the county by the way, I currently get ATT HSI Pro 3/512 that's the highest offered currently, can't wait to get U-verse. i'm gonna say it applies to folks that are on a loop with a Vrad but were too far to get it... I just don't see ATT deploying to everyone.. They are paid not to.. | |
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join:2008-04-26
Madera, CA | Who pay them not to, and also what type of area are they paid not to upgrade? | |
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| | | Re: Less compression said by digitalfreak:I'm 950ft from the VRAD and already have 24/3. The only reason I haven't switched from DirecTV to U-verse TV is that they overcompress their stream, and only offer recording of 2 HD streams at once. If they'd use this to provide more bandwidth for TV with pair bonding, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
You know they ATT does not have stuff that Directv has like MLB NETWORK, MLB EI, NBA LP, NHL CI, NFL ST.
also to get channels you have on D* on U-Verse you need to get U300 that forces you to get the movie pack to get non movie channels and then it's $7 per tv vs $5 on D* | |
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| | Ha Ha They need to learn from Qwest Qwest is running VDSL2 with download speeds up to 40 down and 20 up. You need to upgrade AT&T it's 2010
Personally I am on the 40 down and can only get 5 up. No complaints here as I just left Cox Cable. | |
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join:2001-06-11
PonziWorld | Re: Ha Ha They need to learn from Qwest Yeah. Up to 40/20. And that's because Qwest actually spent the money to deploy it to you. You're pretty damn lucky. | |
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join:1999-08-21
Warren, MI | How is it deployed? I'm currently with Comcast but keep waiting for ATT to offer more bandwidth, especially for HDTV. For me 24/3 Internet speeds is not an issue, as long as its stable and is not impacted by my high TV needs. I currently can get Uverse but whats stops me is the limited TV bandwidth, especially since I have 6 TVs (2 HDTVs) in the home. With Comcast there is no issue with the 6 TVs in-use.
So my question is once bonding is announced in my area would it be setup during installation for new customers, if so I would sign-up tomorrow. Bonding would be the final blow for my Comcast over-priced triple play. I stick with it because primarily Internet speeds is top notch and stable. | |
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| | More of the same rubbish.... Comcast & AT&T should focus on upgrading their systems so 100% of their customers can have broadband.
THEN they should worry about 'increasing speed'.
Comcast & AT&T refuse to upgrade their systems for THOUSANDS of their customers so the customers can have broadband.
There are hundreds of areas around the US where AT&T refuses to build out their DSL capable infrastructure, or Comcast refuses to upgrade their cable systems from analog to digital.
So while the rest of the world marches on with faster and faster speeds, there are thousands of customers who just wish they had broadband at all.
No excuse for this. | |
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| | | Re: More of the same rubbish.... said by Mr Anon :
Comcast & AT&T should focus on upgrading their systems so 100% of their customers can have broadband.
THEN they should worry about 'increasing speed'.
Comcast & AT&T refuse to upgrade their systems for THOUSANDS of their customers so the customers can have broadband.
There are hundreds of areas around the US where AT&T refuses to build out their DSL capable infrastructure, or Comcast refuses to upgrade their cable systems from analog to digital.
So while the rest of the world marches on with faster and faster speeds, there are thousands of customers who just wish they had broadband at all.
No excuse for this.
Huh ?
How is comcast refusing upgrading their system from Analog to Digital. Today the FCC mandates the cable co's to carry analog signal look for the article.
I bet comcast is currently building out their network everyday. Just because some markets are slower than others does not mean they dont care. But upgrades take time so the system is ready for New Technology to be installed. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
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| Re: More of the same rubbish.... Some markets are stuck on 6/1, but they certainly have broadband. And Comcast's 6/1 is rock solid.
There is NO FCC mandate to provide analog on the HFC plant, only to be able to connect analog TV's for the basic cable rate, which can also be done with various types of boxes or DTA's. They also have to carry all local content in analog IF they carry any type of analog content, which is pretty much a non-rule anyways, since the way the plans work, the local channels would be the last thing to go.
Supposedly part of their problem is that they can't get enough DTA's, which is a bunch of bull. Even if they really can't, why not get the high-paying subs some nice new high-capacity DVR's, and do some hand-me-down to the expanded basic subs.
Also, by eliminating expanded basic analog, but not basic, they would still free up 30 channels, or 180mhz, which is enough to add D3 and still add 78 HD channels. Even with a couple of physicals for added VOD, you're still looking at 60+ HD's, which would bring the total near the magic 100 in most markets. | |
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|  Duramax08Ya rly.Premium
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San Antonio, TX | Re: It still would not have helped me.. ATT told my friend dsl would be available in a year also. 6 years laters............ | |
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2 edits | Let's get real... ...why does any home need Internet speeds of over 50 mbps for ANYTHING but bragging rights? There's not a server you can connect to out there that can exploit a connection over about 15 mbps. With the 15/2 service I had I could do most anything I wanted to. I could download a TV show in faster then real time. A movie would have taken about 45 mins. BIG DEAL! Most of the time torrents with even 100 seeders didn't download at much over 1 mBps.
I have no issue with someone wanting to overpay so they can brag that their connection is faster then mine, Heck, by them overpaying, it keeps MY rates down. But don't kid yourself into believing service that fast makes a rat's ass of difference in the real world. | |
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San Antonio, TX | Now, Is this only for the VRAD or it also works for the DSLAM? | |
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