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My Dixie Wrecked
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| Re: Thank God I don't work for AT&T My company did something similar. Every year in August would would get a "cost of living" raise but we were told about a week ago that we wouldn't be getting one this year. It sucks not getting it, but at least I have a job.
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| Re: Thank God I don't work for AT&T The company I worked for was spending cash like a drunken liberal for years, giving me 6% raises per year, paying hourly employees 3 quarters of a millions dollars in overtime for year 97 ( this is a small privately owned hotel/private club in Chicago with 200 employees. They final learned their lesson this year when they fired 70 employees and lost 150 out of 1200 within a 90 day period. Needless to say I am currently unemployed.
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join:2002-04-10
| Well fired means someone did something wrong. What about those 150/2000? Laid off? Imagine you were in that subset. Either way, finding a new job isn't easy. As for a company spending money on it's employees, I don't see that as a negative. They paid you guys well. Kept many happy. Guess they could have spread the money out better, to keep you employed though. Either way, if you were smart, you took those EXTRA sums of money and saved them to live off of, in case of emergencies like now. | |
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join:2000-09-16
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| Just look at what the house did with a majority of them democrats. They passed the most liberal spending policy in many decades. Actually all the republicans and 11 democrats voted against it. Now that they have a majority there is nothing to stop them. A majority of the programs, maybe 80-90%, is worthless junk. | |
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Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Thank God I don't work for AT&T If you define "most liberal" as "most expensive", it is not the most liberal spending policy in decades. It's not even the most expensive spending policy passed this decade. | |
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Gainfully employed, finally
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Gainfully employed, finally
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| said by DoLeMiTe  :My company did something similar. Every year in August would would get a "cost of living" raise but we were told about a week ago that we wouldn't be getting one this year. It sucks not getting it, but at least I have a job. On the bright side, we are currently experiencing deflation, so a cost of living adjustment would technically be a wage cut.
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join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs: | BS I'll believe that, when i dont see a price hike this year.
AT&T and doing the right thing just dont sound right. | |
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
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join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
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| Re: BS said by OSUGoose :I'll believe that, when i dont see a price hike this year. AT&T and doing the right thing just dont sound right. Out of curiosity when is the last time you've seen a price hike other than the just launched Uverse? | |
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join:2002-07-24
San Jose, CA | Re: BS I got a price hike on all three of my AT&T landlines just last month.
And on my AT&T cellphone a few months ago. | |
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Will post for thumbs
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join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: BS A true price hike or did you change plans/contract expire, etc? I've never seen a price hike on my phone or DSL without a plan change. I change plans too often on my cell to keep track, but my rate never changed once I had a plan established for as long as I can remember. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: BS Price hike... or 'fee' hike  | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
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Mount Airy, MD | I've not had a recent rate hike in my AT&T Wireless plan either. Actually, because of significant cutbacks in features that I decided I did not need, my bill has gone down by quite a bit.
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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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Stepford, CA
clubs: | BFD Now instead of 24k gold toilets, the dickheads at the top will have to settle for 14k. | |
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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
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| said by ninjatutle :Where have you seen a 24K toilet in the US of A outside of Trump's residence? No kidding. You think these petty little marxists would be overjoyed that these "evil" executives would not be getting any bonuses this year.
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| Re: BFD said by pnh102 :said by ninjatutle :Where have you seen a 24K toilet in the US of A outside of Trump's residence? No kidding. You think these petty little marxists would be overjoyed that these "evil" executives would not be getting any bonuses this year. It's not the executives, it's "managers". I'm classified as a "manager", but I work in a cubicle doing business support and this will be the second year in a row I won't be getting a raise. And I use the common john with everyone else on my floor. | |
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join:2006-10-16
Greenville, SC
| managers Its not just managers its any non-union employee. at&t has two groups those who are union (non-managed group) and those who are managed are "managers". I am one of those non union folks not getting a pay raise this year. At least I hopefully get to keep my job. Nice to see our CEO who makes millions a year not take a bonus.. maybe he needs to take a pay cut to help the company? | |
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Bentover
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| pi ssed off Im the lowest level manager at the company. It really hurts us at my level because the truth is we are just grunt workers that do the dirty work to keep the company going (where the rubber meets the road). We get sh it from union workers and management, its the worst management level to have. These upper level managers and up are depending on the low life 1st level managers to keep the company going when the union members go on strike in April. Trust me the sh it we put up with to keep our jobs is unbearable. | |
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: pi ssed off Ah middle management. I don't miss it. | |
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Naperville, IL | Re: pi ssed off Gotta start somewhere. | |
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join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs: | middle management, weeds out all the non fully devoted, drank the kool aid, and eagerly serves it to his minions. from the ones truly looking out for at&t | |
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join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| said by Karl Bode :Ah middle management. I don't miss it. Read the poster's post again. He wasn't talking middle management. He's talking about lowest management, which many took pay cuts if they moved from craft to management. | |
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You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
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join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
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| Wonderful...no raises..for people who make millions.. Yep they sure will be hurting.....poor them
they should all be taking massive pay cuts....and they should support the vast majority of their workforce.
dont they know the less they pay the average worker...the less that worker spends...the less he spends the less the economy that runs on conusmer spending gets....the less ATT gets...
its one vicious circle that these companies dont understand.
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join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | Re: Wonderful...no raises..for people who make millions.. Its what they are not saying that is more the point, which is that those in the trenches, both union and managers, are also not getting raises nor bonuses. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | so... the board has to approve him NOT taking his bonus?!
so I guess if the board considered he was an exceptional CEO, they could have "forced" him to take his bonus anyway? | |
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | Re: so... It's just the procedure that has to be followed. Most, if not all, publicly held companies are like that. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| The Government Got What It Wished For New York State is already whining that the lack of executive bonuses are costing them in state tax revenue.
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rockhounds_5
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join:2004-07-29
Lewisville, TX
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| Just one of many sacrifices In this context, keeping your job is your raise. The bonuses they have to pay out as the year was profitable for wireless and uverse. They've been giving up a lot of wireline subscribers, but have gained huge numbers of new customers in wireless.
This economy of ours is headed for some serious trouble. Some sacrifices will need to be made unfortunately. I've quite a few friends that have been laid off and there is nothing for them. Nothing.
I used to work in the oil business before going to IT, and we had a long stretch of time in the late 80's/early 90's when we got no raise. It sucked. We were told that at least we get to keep our jobs. | |
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Grrrr
join:2001-10-31
NOT Texas!
| Re: Just one of many sacrifices Same corporation my friend. Wireline gave wireless the seed money to start and subsidized them when they weren't profitable. And just where do you think those calls go once they reach the cell site? That's right, down the copper and fiber from wireline.
Also, some (definitely not all) of those wireline POTS losses were merely migration to Uuverse and Mobility. The number to watch is total lines served.
With no COLA, poorer healthcare benefits than craft and no pay raise this year means a pay cut. Yes it's hard to feel sorry for RS, and I do applaud his forgoing his bonus. But there are a lot of lower level management that are going to feel the pinch. And for people that manage crews... well don't be surprised when the low morale telegraphs to the crews.
It's going to be a long strike this year.
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join:2007-12-27
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| said by rockhounds_5 :This economy of ours is headed for some serious trouble. Some sacrifices will need to be made unfortunately. I'm not disagreeing with you, but sacrifices have been made for years. The wrong people have been making them, that's all. You can see that in this thread.
said by KrK :Record profits at my company this year. No raise in 2 years. The year before that it was 3%. said by Skippy25 :Yeah... how does that make you feel when you have a company that made $26 billion in profits last year not giving you the annual 3-4% raise? said by fiber_man :When your top level employees make more than 50-100 times your average worker then guess what you have? said by techjoe :No raises for all salaried and non-contract staff this year, decided after bonus were paid out so I hear, to the exec's and sales. But we hired 3 new execs in the past few months, complete with relocation and McMansions. | |
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join:2004-07-29
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clubs: | Re: Just one of many sacrifices You speak the truth. Thanks for pointing this out to me. I mourn for our country and its people. | |
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fiber_man
Things Happen For A Reason
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
·AT&T U-Verse
1 edit | Their own fault. When your top level employees make more than 50-100 times your average worker then guess what you have?
A lot of animosity, low morale, laziness, sloppy work, don't care attitude, etc..
If and when corporate America finally figures it out. It is the first line employees that deal with their customers and make or break that relationship with that company. Those employees should have the resources and support from management to help retain their customers and work of mouth advertising will provide new customers.
Many successful companies know this and follow those guide lines.
The middle class made this country strong and right now they are angry.
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join:2008-06-27
Albany, GA
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| Re: Their own fault. said by fiber_man :When your top level employees make more than 50-100 times your average worker then guess what you have? A lot of animosity, low morale, laziness, sloppy work, don't care attitude, etc.. If and when corporate America finally figures it out. It is the first line employees that deal with their customers and make or break that relationship with that company. Those employees should have the resources and support from management to help retain their customers and work of mouth advertising will provide new customers. Many successful companies know this and follow those guide lines. The middle class made this country strong and right now they are angry. i was going to post something, but you said it better than i could. You nailed it on the head. | |
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27 | The ridiculous thing is... Out of his $22 million(!!!) yearly compensation, Randall Stephenson's bonus amounts to only $650k. No sweat off his back, and it sounds good to the press. They'd still get our tax dollars though, because they can... | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| boggles the mind how the ceos of companies that are not only devoid of morality and social justice but earn obscene compensation compared to ordinary line workers and while their industries foam at the mouth with corporate welfare all in the name of saving and or creating jobs. the silly loophole is that these jobs are NOT what you think they are.. they are NOT something to even consider yourself middle class on... these are poor house jobs with no job security, little to no benefits and if your lucky enough to have the job for 2-5 years, your laid off because you earn too much in raises to your salary or consume too much in benefits. companies DO rate your productivity as a worker, versus how much it costs them and then they make the decision to lay you off. this has been going on for generations. the only way the ceo should freeze compensation versus cutting.. is if they laid off not ONE SINGLE WORKER as a result of the downturn in the economy. otherwise it's fair game to cut ceo pay.
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join:2002-04-14
Naperville, IL
| Re: boggles the mind Soon, most likely this year the US Government will go bankrupt.
We all know all the major banks are bankrupt.
It's time for change.
Not Democrat change or Republican change, cause the congress are just a bunch of millionaire, crooked criminals.
America needs real normal people in office to represent real people.
American's must purge these multinational large corporations, and prosper via small businesses, and a fair playing field.
We are not responsible for the governments and Big Businesses choices that screwed everything up, those that made the choices are responsible, and must be held accountable.
Then we must rebuild America based on the constitution, and small businesses, and sound money.
Kick the criminals, Federal Reserve and all into prison jump suits. | |
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join:2002-11-16
Kitchener, ON
| Re: boggles the mind Soon, most likely this year the US Government will go bankrupt.
We all know all the major banks are bankrupt.
It's time for change.
Not Democrat change or Republican change, cause the congress are just a bunch of millionaire, crooked criminals
The Problem is that corruption doesn't look at just the wealthy and powerful. You put any normal person in a position of power and let time take it's course and you'll end up with that Normal person becoming the corrupt millionaire crooked criminals. | |
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techjoe
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Schererville, IN
| Bleh No raises for all salaried and non-contract staff this year, decided after bonus were paid out so I hear, to the exec's and sales. But we hired 3 new execs in the past few months, complete with relocation and McMansions. Makes me sick.
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join:2008-05-22
| Instead of bonuses Instead of bonuses, management should be looking at ways to save the bottom line. Compared to the modest merit increases that that most salaried and hourly works get, bonuses aren't a small chunk of change. Unless these execs went on spending binges with their last bonuses, there should be plenty of money left over from last year. And when the economy improves and the cash flow into the company looks good, take the bonus then.
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| Just a game The contract expires this year for all craft employees at ATT. This is just a game before bargaining begins to make everyone think that the upper echelon are going to suffer cutbacks. A small cutback compared to what the upper management makes. Therefore during the bargaining process the company can blame the economy and claim they are suffering thru cutbacks therefore all employees should help bare the burdon and settle for nothing in the contract. Even the lowest paid peons. | |
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join:2001-08-30
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clubs: | Re: Just a game Exactly what happen with district 6 bargaining. It makes me sick. | |
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join:2001-10-12
Mauldin, SC
·AT&T Southeast
| said by Profess0 :
The contract expires this year for all craft employees at ATT. This is just a game before bargaining begins to make everyone think that the upper echelon are going to suffer cutbacks. A small cutback compared to what the upper management makes. Therefore during the bargaining process the company can blame the economy and claim they are suffering thru cutbacks therefore all employees should help bare the burdon and settle for nothing in the contract. Even the lowest paid peons.
You hit it on the head and anyone with half a brain should be able to see the handwriting on the wall. The poor mouthing seems to start before every contract. | |
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@speakeasy.net
| Thankful McCaw/AT&T/AT&T Wireless/Cingular/AT&T Mobility has paid my bonus at 100%-150% for the last 14 years and I've received a pay raise around 3% (+/- .5%) every year. Not to mention several spot bonuses back in the day. The company pays well and compensates their managers fairly. For those who think there are 14k gold toilets lying around the office - the better question is when will we get our filtered water and plastic utensils back? | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  AT&T is doing the right thing, but............
As for Freezing Executive Compensation and cutting back on Employees, and no raises, that is inevitable in this Economy. I'm retired from PacBell and was on both sides as an Employee and Manager. I know a Company is made up from the people that work there, but the Attitude and Work Ethic comes from Upper Management. I came to Love and have Enviable Pride working at Pacific Bell. So the best advise I can give anyone is to find work you love to do and this will make you excel and do the best job you can. A good Company will reward you for this and you can advance to the position and compensation you want. If you are not getting this then leave that Company and look for one that does, Life is too short to be miserable. | |
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Grrrr
join:2001-10-31
NOT Texas!
| Re: AT&T is doing the right thing, but............ I too hired on with Pacific Telephone and all I can tell you is that I only wish it was still Pacific Bell. When SBC bought us (it was no merger) things went downhill fast. Thank you Phil Quigley.
I'm in too deep, have to tough it out to retirement. Thankfully it's this year.
You and I started when above all else, customer service mattered. I can't blame it all on company culture as I'm sure deregulation played a major part, but customer service is definitely not our first objective. Now we make value judgements.
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@sbcglobal.net
| Randy, what a charade According with Forbes, Randall's bonus is about 2% of his total compensation, while restricted stock awards are upwards of 8 Million. Not to mention his "other" compensation from serving on the boards of (his friends) other companies..... Guy is full of tricks, no doubt. Screw the worker bees, he is just fine.
Check it out, google Randall Stephenson compensation.
BTW, wonder why he is allowed to serve on other boards and T's employees can't even dream about moonlighting on the same field they work in. | |
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@sbcglobal.net
| What a morale booster... Here's another thought. Randall and the board decided that officers and managers would not get a raise this year. There was no mention in the email from Randy that the board members were going to not accept their retainers. That's $60,000 paid to each member to "sit" on the board. Now craft isn't getting a bonus this year nor a pay raise. I'm waiting for the email so I can break it to my crew. And as far as a strike goes, I highly doubt CWA will do it in this climate. | |
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| AT&T Manangement Freeze I work for AT&T and am one of the managers who will not be getting a raise this year. It all sounds very commendable that Randall Stephenson is not going to take a bonus this year (last year his bonus was $4.5 Million) until you learn that the day before this announcement was made he was given 320,900 shares of stock as a stock bonus. Which at $25.15 per share comes to a value of $8,070,635. Somehow his gesture loses it's effectiveness
This is a slap in the face for lower level managers who have had benefits reduced or taken away every year.
Yes times are tough.......at least for some of us.
Go to "cnn.com" , then under the "markets section" type 'T' for AT&T. Then click "INSIDER ACTIONS" in the left column. Now pick a name any name, and enjoy the facts... This is a good way to check other corporations also. | |
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| Re: AT&T Manangement Freeze Ann, I am a lowly first line too, I would never took a 'promotion' if I knew the highest paid tech makes more than me and has better benefits. I have to say when it was just SWBT it was better now I hate ATT and stay only for the check. Yes Randal and the officers got thousnads of shares on 1/29 and made millions onlt to send out the letter on 1/30 to the rest of the management that we get nothing. I never thought I could hate this company but since Randal has been in charge I despise this place. Once I can leave Im going too, there is no benefit of being a 1st level manager anymore. | |
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