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AT&T Has Biggest iPhone Quarter Yet
Though continued landline losses may lead to layoffs...

AT&T has unveiled their third quarter earnings, which among other things indicate the company added the most iPhones ever in a single quarter. According to AT&T, they activated 3.2 million iPhones during the third quarter, with forty percent of those customers new to AT&T. The data suggests that despite AT&T's network headaches, the lure of the device is simply too great for many to resist. iPhones represented 74% of the 4.3 million postpaid, integrated devices activated by AT&T last quarter as AT&T tries to extend their exclusive distribution arrangement with Apple.

More shiny new iPhones means more people paying $30 a month for data (whether they use that much data or not), and AT&T's wireless data revenues jumped 34% from last year's, to $3.6 billion. AT&T continues to see huge subscriber additions in wireless. The company added 2 million new subscribers to bring their wireless subscriber total to 81.6 million. Once lured in by the iPhone, many customers stay because of the iPhone (and long term contract ETF penalties), as AT&T continues to have the lowest customer defection rate in the industry.

On the U-Verse front, AT&T says they added 240,000 net U-verse customers, bringing their installed total U-Verse customer base to 1.8 million. According to AT&T, 90% of customers who order U-Verse TV also get broadband service. 60% of customers who order U-Verse TV also sign up for U-Verse VoIP service.

Of course AT&T's problem isn't wireless or U-Verse, it's their continued losses in traditional landline service. Landline revenues continued to drop, falling 7.1% to $16.3 billion from $17.6 billion one year ago. Those landline reductions will likely mean additional layoffs, according to engineers speaking anonymously to Broadband Reports. "A significant workforce reduction is coming and will be finalized by end of October," says one source, who says specific layoff numbers have not yet been revealed.
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SLD
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This and...

This and the increase in land line prices pretty much proves that AT&T is trying to get out of land line business for the more profitable and manipulable wireless only sector.

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The reason the numbers were so high is that a new 3GS model was released early in the 3rd quarter. It's the same pattern every time. Initial sales boom, then they stagnate, and finally sales become frighteningly scarce just weeks before the next new model comes out.

As long as Apple can continue to string out this process by adding new customer-demanded features a couple of times each year, they will continue to see similar trends. However, once they finally make a product that includes most of the intriguing features that should have been there initially, only an ISP change will provide similar financial numbers.

The true test will be the performance in the 1st quarter of 2010, as I'm sure that the holiday season will see a bunch of sales from stragglers that have been eyeing the newer model.

N3OGH
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This is similar to the trend that took place when personal computing was in it's adolescence.

The technology moved forward at a quick enough pace that people were willing to shell out for the newest thing to do the coolest stuff. I remember those days, when there was a definite OHH and AHH factor at the latest computer model.

Now, most of the time it's a processor speed bump, or more memory, etc.

At one time, personal computers weren't just tools, they were fascinating leaps forward in technology.

Now, if it runs Word, and gets on deh Intertubes, most people don't care.

Dare I say it, computers became pedestrian. The same thing will happen to the iPhone when it pretty much does everything a computer does. We're getting pretty close to that point.

I just got a 3g iPod Touch, and it's pretty impressive. I use it to browse the web at my house over wifi, and it loads web pages quick. I'll never fill the 32GB capacity.

Unless the next iPod Touch can perform felatio, I don't see moving up to a new model for the foreseeable future...
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said by N3OGH:

Unless the next iPod Touch can perform felatio, I don't see moving up to a new model for the foreseeable future...
What if they come out with a revolutionary new color such as grey?

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Unless the next iPod Touch can perform felatio...
if ONLY!

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I'm trademarking the name now.

The iBlow!!

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I'm trademarking the name now.

The iBlow!!
I' trademarked BlowPod a long time ago.
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my wife said she will patent the "isuck"

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said by jmn1207:

The true test will be the performance in the 1st quarter of 2010, as I'm sure that the holiday season will see a bunch of sales from stragglers that have been eyeing the newer model.
I'll be curious to see what happens to their numbers when an LTE iPhone is released on another carrier. A recent survey stated that 40%-50% of iPhone owners like the iPhone, but not the AT&T network. If people will pay big bucks to migrate to AT&T for the iPhone, it stands to reason a substantial percentage of those would pay to leave AT&T as well.

I think 2010 (definitely 2011 when LTE is rolled out to more Verizon markets) will be an interesting year.
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iphone competition

I can't wait until someone else gets the iphone. ATT has the worst coverage and network I have ever had the displeasure of using. Maybe with 90% of their iphone customers jumping ship when someone else has the iphone available, they'll finally step up and bring their network up to par.

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said by jbadams:

I can't wait until someone else gets the iphone. ATT has the worst coverage and network I have ever had the displeasure of using. Maybe with 90% of their iphone customers jumping ship when someone else has the iphone available, they'll finally step up and bring their network up to par.
Your wish may be around the corner - if the Droid is as good as VZW claims, it may gave the iPhone a run for its money.

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said by jbadams:

I can't wait until someone else gets the iphone. ATT has the worst coverage and network I have ever had the displeasure of using. Maybe with 90% of their iphone customers jumping ship when someone else has the iphone available, they'll finally step up and bring their network up to par.
Your wish may be around the corner - if the Droid is as good as VZW claims, it may gave the iPhone a run for its money.
I have been keeping an eye on that. The only issue is the Motorola part of the equation. Their handsets have been less than desirable lately.

Phil
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Exactly. Motorola hasn't produced anything worth a second glance for years now. My wife had a RAZR which had to be one of the worst phones I've ever used. She now has an iPhone and is loving it.
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The Droid won't be much of a competitor... It's not an Apple product.

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said by jbadams:

I can't wait until someone else gets the iphone. ATT has the worst coverage and network I have ever had the displeasure of using. Maybe with 90% of their iphone customers jumping ship when someone else has the iphone available, they'll finally step up and bring their network up to par.
Why wait for an iPhone from another cell provider? Other providers exist besides AT&T and they have smartphones now that are every bit as versatile and user friendly as the iPhone.
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There has yet to be a smartphone as versatile and user friendly as the iPhone. Don't even lie about that one.

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said by NeoandGeo:

There has yet to be a smartphone as versatile and user friendly as the iPhone. Don't even lie about that one.
That the iPhone is the best is YOUR OPINION, and not a FACT. I think the Palm Pre is better than the iPhone and I have used both. That is MY opinion. And I am sure others feel that the various Android phones and Blackberrys are every bit as good or better than the iPhone. It all depends on your requirements - like having a phone that actually works as a phone too. Something the iPhone is mediocre at at best.
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No other phone offers the complete package that the iPhone offers. And none are as fast and have menus that flow as smoothly as the iPhone. Don't get me wrong, I hate Apple. But they have made the best out of the box phone, that becomes perfect once you open it up yourself.

Your opinion is invalid.
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You dislike the fastest OS for a mobile phone? It's understandable since you're on Sprint, with the lousiest selection of phones.

How's that lag on the Pre treating you?
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And opinions can't be invalid.
They are when they ignore truth. No other OS is as consistently smooth, or has as many useful features/programs as the iPhone. And almost all current WinMo devices are more useful and faster than the Pre, but still pale in comparison to the iPhone on nearly all accounts.

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said by NeoandGeo:

You dislike the fastest OS for a mobile phone? It's understandable since you're on Sprint, with the lousiest selection of phones.

How's that lag on the Pre treating you?
said by FFH5:

And opinions can't be invalid.
They are when they ignore truth. No other OS is as consistently smooth, or has as many useful features/programs as the iPhone. And almost all current WinMo devices are more useful and faster than the Pre, but still pale in comparison to the iPhone on nearly all accounts.
Sorry bud, an opinion can not be invalid. Your opinion is just valid as anyone elses.
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They can only be valid if something cannot be proven. He was proven wrong by me. So his opinion is invalidated.

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You did not "prove" anything. You stated what you think are facts.
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The proof is in the device. There is no mobile phone OS as smooth or as quick as the iPhone OS. Nor is there any other device with as many useful programs. After you unlock the iPhone it becomes an even stronger contender for perfection.

I am proving opinions wrong, live with it.

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So you have personally compared each and every phone/os? Could you post your results to be validated?

Doubtful.
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Re: iphone competition

I have used a range of mobile devices. HTC Mogul/Palm Pre/Omnia/HTC Imagio/HTC Touch Pro and early android phones. None of them have as many useful apps, or run as fast and slick as an iPhone. None of them have a render rate for the Web that is faster than the iPhone.

None of them have measured up as of yet. That is a fact, and only argued by those that are fanboys against Apple, and not against Apples products that don't measure up, as in everything else that Apple offers.
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For someone who supposedly hates Apple you sure carry a big bucket for the company.

You have not provided facts but instead given your observation based on your experience and Golf has done the same. Golf acknowledges what he has stated is his experience/opinion but you seem to live in a world that somehow confuses you experience with what supposedly everyone else will experience when using a particular device.

My son has an iphone and it is a nice device but I don't like it very much because I actually have hands bigger than a 13 year old and typing on that thing is grueling compared to my BB.

Now IMO typing on the iphone is a pain in the ass for folks with big hands, that doesn't make it so for everybody else.

You see how that works?

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Great observation JSRoman.
I will see what I can do as I have a mobile applications QA consultant working for me that has just about every device sitting on her desk.

But again to NeoandGeo, it is IMPOSSIBLE to say an opinion is not valid.
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It is not impossible when the opinion is proven wrong. The opinion was an invalid incorrect opinion that took a flawed personal preference over fact.

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said by NeoandGeo:

It is not impossible when the opinion is proven wrong. The opinion was an invalid incorrect opinion that took a flawed personal preference over fact.
Right, you proved it wrong with another opinion. This will go round and round....

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said by ptrowski:

Great observation JSRoman.
I will see what I can do as I have a mobile applications QA consultant working for me that has just about every device sitting on her desk.

But again to NeoandGeo, it is IMPOSSIBLE to say an opinion is not valid.
Not true. If an opinion says 'the world is flat'...

If opinions are based around actual science, and not opinions on things that others feel are different (Like the best cell phone), they can be wrong. Neoandgeo is an idiot, but opinions can be wrong.

Again, I'm not agreeing with this lunatic. Just saying.

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said by Metatron2008:
said by ptrowski:

Great observation JSRoman.
I will see what I can do as I have a mobile applications QA consultant working for me that has just about every device sitting on her desk.

But again to NeoandGeo, it is IMPOSSIBLE to say an opinion is not valid.
Not true. If an opinion says 'the world is flat'...

If opinions are based around actual science, and not opinions on things that others feel are different, they can be wrong. Neoandgeo is an idiot, but opinions can be wrong.
Right, but if said person feels by his/her beliefs that the world is flat, then even though it may be considered science fact that persons belief structure may not support it therefore in their eyes the opinion is not wrong. I agree with your opinion though that NeoandGeo is an idiot.
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n/m...someone beat me to it...
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Typing is not a problem on a capacitive touchscreen if you can have the mental comprehension to know where the middle of your thumb is going to be. Practice for 5 minutes and you can type as fast as actual buttons.

Now typing on a resistive touchscreen of most WinMo devices is definitely a pain.
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said by NeoandGeo:

The proof is in the device. There is no mobile phone OS as smooth or as quick as the iPhone OS. Nor is there any other device with as many useful programs. After you unlock the iPhone it becomes an even stronger contender for perfection.

I am proving opinions wrong, live with it.
What are you eight? Back that crap up with some facts. You know stuff that actually has been proven to be true.
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I do know things that have been proven to be true. I stated them.
I am just a fan of a phone that doesn't give problems and doesn't bog down.

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said by NeoandGeo:

There is no mobile phone OS as smooth or as quick as the iPhone OS.
There is no mobile phone whose users and following are as douchey as the iPhone users. As someone that defends iPhone, that douchiness applies to you.

My opinion is valid. It has been validated by the internets.

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said by NeoandGeo:

It's understandable since you're on Sprint, with the lousiest selection of phones.
sorry that title belongs to Verizon Wireless, they've held the title for 8 years now I believe. probably even longer.
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They are tied, should have mentioned that.

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No reasoning with a necon either so I've noticed.

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Re: iphone competition

Having fun with multitasking straight out of the box on your iPhone? That's right, I didn't think so. That was one of the dealbreakers for me... along with AT&T sucky network.

iPhone still wins for applications, though... I miss it for its ability to edit photos on the fly, its dedicated Facebook app, and its streaming media apps (mainly Joost, Slacker, and Orb).
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said by NeoandGeo:

And none are as fast and have menus that flow as smoothly as the iPhone.
Now which one is it? fast or slow? Can't reason with a fanboy.
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Smoothly = slow?

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said by NeoandGeo:

Your opinion is invalid.
As is yours...

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said by NeoandGeo:

No other phone offers the complete package that the iPhone offers. And none are as fast and have menus that flow as smoothly as the iPhone. Don't get me wrong, I hate Apple. But they have made the best out of the box phone, that becomes perfect once you open it up yourself.

Your opinion is invalid.
LOL. Apple Fanboy. No reasoning with an iPhone fanatic. Opinions can't be invalid. Try again.

Phil
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Why do you say the iPhone is mediocre at best as a phone? I've had zero issues using mine as a phone.

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said by NeoandGeo:

There has yet to be a smartphone as versatile and user friendly as the iPhone. Don't even lie about that one.
That the iPhone is the best is YOUR OPINION, and not a FACT. I think the Palm Pre is better than the iPhone and I have used both. That is MY opinion. And I am sure others feel that the various Android phones and Blackberrys are every bit as good or better than the iPhone. It all depends on your requirements - like having a phone that actually works as a phone too. Something the iPhone is mediocre at at best.
Had the iPhone, now Pre. The iPhone was much better, but ATT sucked. I don't like the Pre anywhere near as much as the iPhone, but Sprint is MUCH better than ATT.

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Out-of-the-box versatility is not really head and shoulders above the competition, although jailbreaking can make things better. The interface is second to none.
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said by jmn1207:

Out-of-the-box versatility is not really head and shoulders above the competition, although jailbreaking can make things better.
They should try reading the EULA for their iPhone before jailbreaking it.
quote:
c) You may not and you agree not to, or to enable others to, copy (except as expressly permitted by this License), decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, decrypt,
modify, or create derivative works of the iPhone Software or any services provided by the iPhone Software, or any part thereof (except as and only to the extent any foregoing restriction is prohibited by
applicable law or to the extent as may be permitted by licensing terms governing use of open-sourced components included with the iPhone Software). Any attempt to do so is a violation of the rights of Apple
and its licensors of the iPhone Software.


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Having used an iPhone for two years, I can certainly say that it's a user friendly phone for people who want something that's simple.

Being a recent convert to a Palm Pre, I can also say that there are other phones out there with the potential to give the iPhone a run for its money. Is the Palm Pre there yet? No-- it has a long way to go with its App Catalog and SDK to make it to "iPhone" or "iPhone killer" status. But it has the potential: nice GUI, open OS, a company that encourages homebrew apps instead of stating that jailbreakers should be imprisoned, a company that's responsive to user requests/needs, an active hacking community, multitasking, a physical keyboard, a replaceable battery... I could continue, but won't.

While there are times I certainly do miss my iPhone, I can't say that I miss it because of its Appily goodness and OS. I miss it because of the third party applications written for it. If the Palm Pre, or Android, or Blackberry, or something else can field an app store to compete with the non-iFart types of applications in Apple's App Store then I think that most users won't miss their iPhone and wouldn't care about using a phone made by someone else.

Apple has built a good phone, but the hardware has been matched or eclipsed by other phones out there. It's just a matter of time and investment before someone also has an app store to compete with Apple-- and then the iPhone will be in trouble.

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iPhone Customers
I have a iTouch so I have everything except the phone part. People see me with it and ooh and ah over my iPhone, I don't enlighten them. Apple fans are somewhat like sheep. I can fully understand that, My original iTouch had a touch screen failure, Apple promptly replaced it under warranty put while I was was waiting for the replacement I felt like I had a death in the family. I have never had such an attachment for an electronic device. I am a hamradio operator so I have a house full of electronics, mostly vintage vacuum tube gear, in amateur radio I am what is called a boatanchor pilot. with all of that I have never had an attachment to any such device until now. So I am saying this from a point of view of an Apple owner, I may not be a Apple Sheep, but I might be a Apple Rocky Mountain Bighorn

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picture is relevant
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This is a second vote for the Palm Pre from a former AT&T iPhone customer.

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To each his own

I have used a Storm and several other phones and found that NONE were my type

The iPhone really takes the cake for me

I take the crappy service because of the phone itself

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said by FFH5:

Why wait for an iPhone from another cell provider? Other providers exist besides AT&T and they have smartphones now that are every bit as versatile and user friendly as the iPhone.
As versatile? Definitely. As user friendly? Not even close.
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said by jbadams:

I Maybe with 90% of their iphone customers jumping ship when someone else has the iphone available, they'll finally step up and bring their network up to par.
Unless Tmobile gets IPhone, current Iphone customers on ATT are stuck unless of course the want to buy another iphone just to use on Sprint or Verizon.

Iphone subs on ATT are pretty much in "SLAP! Thank you, sir! May I have another?"
trap.

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said by caco:

Iphone subs on ATT are pretty much in "SLAP! Thank you, sir! May I have another?"
trap.
You made me think about this one for a minute because I believe Sprint, and Verizon use a different cellular chipset if memory serves (different networking). So my thought is I wonder how many would defect knowing they would up and have to buy a new iPhone potentially? Sure you could chance selling your old one on ebay but even that has a 50% risk at best. Plus what if they don't get what they paid for the iPhone back?

Keep in mind I am just thinking out loud for conversation. Gotta have something else keep me awake besides a newborn.

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I keep seeing "att network horrible" yet, i have never had an issue...

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I have never had an issue with voice. Their 3g service where I live in NYC is sometimes as slow as dial up. Piss poor slow and unreliable.

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Drop in iPhone prices

After the 3GS launch, AT&T dropped the price of the 3G iPhone to $99 (new) or $49 (refurbished). This gave many more customers, new and existing, the opportunity to get their hands on an iPhone.

Sure, the 3G isn't as fast as the 3GS, but for many, it's not always the speed, but the status.

At the same rate, I still feel that AT&T is milking the iPhone for everything they have, without doing the proper network upgrades.

Down here in S. Florida we have a kickass 3G network, but I know there are many large markets, that still do not have 3G.

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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL

Mr Matt

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Just Think!

Food for thought and don't throw up. All AT&T has to do is add a one dollar crap charge per subscriber per month and it will yield AT&T $81,600,000.00 per month. Verizon recently increased the administrative charge $0.07 per line per month. I wonder how much that increase will yield them.

obeythelaw
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join:2003-04-16
Warren, NJ

obeythelaw

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i think

att has really started putting more effort into their network. the whole thing about iphone mms never brought the iphone or the network down. they transitioned many larger markets to the 850mhz spectrum. soon, att coverage won't be an issue.
w4ncr8
join:2000-10-27

w4ncr8

Member

Re: i think

I think the new AT&T LOGO should be YOUR WORLD DELIVERED BY WIRELESS, as you do not have much of a broadband package to offer, you do not even offer 3g service in Wilmington. N.C. yet.
And your pricing packages for landline broadband for the Southeast way too high for the little service you offer.
In the Southeast your U-VERSE areas remind me of WI-FI hot spots where available.
I have yet to hear a legal answer as to why you have two different prices, cheaper price gets better service higher prices get lesser service why is this ?

FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA

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to obeythelaw
Two things. One i agree they have been doing a lot recently to their fixed network.

I have never had data or voice issues in my home calling area, ever. Not once, not ever. So, perhaps in some areas their fixed network is spread a bit thin, but there's moe at play than simply att deciding to put a new tower up. You need municipal local aproval to add new towers anywhere i know of. Some towers are added near fire station, or EMT/ambulance station, which also supports their communication network. Some are building mounted, and they have a lot of restrictions due to their proximity to street level.

Putting up towers is hard. Adding equipment to existing towers... It all depends on how much the tower can hold safely within structural load codes etc, but relatively easy. I have seen more equipment added on towers i know to be att owned/mainly their stuff in the last 2 years than in the previous 8, so much more that a previously 1 or 2 antenna set, has now become 5 or 6. More equipment means more bars on your phone, stronger more solid throughput per channel.

Smaller, more numerous cells... Since each tower has a spectrum budget it can't surpass, carriers opt for the smallest footprint possible for each tower's coverage. This brings it into direct conflict with the issue of putting up more towers/sites. Also, more numerous cells means far more handoffs, all potentially a spot for a dropped call.

So, as you can see, att's network is not at fault for any issues you personally have. The fault lay with topography, obstacles, ambient atmospheric conditions, your own specific individual handset, and yes NIMBY. So please, don't jump all over att just because you happen to have hit a few congested spots. Vz, tmob, sprint, all have less coverage than att is some areas (including most of the areas i frequent/travel through). In other areas coverage is similar or pretty much "good" or "bad" for all of them. They do wireless mapping for tv signals the same way they make up that map for coverage n your mobile provider. It's not always going to be accurate, but if you aren't demanding a provider to stand on their head whilst humming a song & splitting the atom, maybe you'll actually be satisfied with your service...

- A
SEREGA784
join:2001-12-26
united state

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Member

GSM

I am staying with att because it is only reasonable gsm provider and that I can use any phone I wish.

ArrayList
DevOps
Premium Member
join:2005-03-19
Mullica Hill, NJ

ArrayList

Premium Member

Re: GSM

let me introduce you to t-mobile. they are also a gsm provider

fancydancer
Perception is just your reality
Premium Member
join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL

fancydancer

Premium Member

Call clarity

If I only could have an iPhone on Sprint or Verizon's network...ahh one can dream. The reason I say that is AT&T's voice quality is crap! People sound muffled or in a cave. When I had Sprint it was clear you could hear a pin drop. Sorry, had to...

Cheese
Premium Member
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL

1 recommendation

Cheese

Premium Member

OMG

THE HTC HERO IS THE BEST PHONE, ITS A FACT, AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, I WILL KEEP TELLING YOU THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IT

IT'S SO SMOOTH AND FLUID AND THERE IS NO OTHER PHONE WITH THE COMPLETE PACKAGE

OMFG OMFG

/me rolls eyes

zteardrop
join:2005-12-20
Brooklyn, NY

zteardrop

Member

Before you pick a phone pick a network

Used to have verizon and loved it. Had to switch to AT&T because thats what our company has and the voice quality totally sucks.

Here is what I dont get.. driving on the 101-South in Los Angeles between 9am and 10am peak traffic time and the call drops at the same location everyday. Same location 101-North in the evening after 8pm and the call is fine.

What gives!! I think AT&T has some serious capacity issues.

iPhone will only be cool for so long, then people will go back to looking at the quality of the network. Besides, phones without keyboards totally suck.
firehawk6189
join:2003-05-29

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Member

Re: Before you pick a phone pick a network

said by zteardrop:

phones without keyboards totally suck.
I completely agree.

Cobra9777
Pain Is Just Weakness Leaving The Body
join:2002-09-28
Denton, TX

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to zteardrop
Couldn't agree more.

You should always shop for a network first, device second. If your network coverage is spotty where you spend most of your time, you will never be happy with the whole experience no matter how snazzy the device. For me, Sprint wins... very fast data and best data coverage at my home and work... lowest cost, and great voice coverage anywhere I go. All I hear is complaints from my coworkers and neighbors on AT&T and Verizon. I had a brief disastrous experience with AT&T and an iPhone a couple years ago due to poor coverage and dropped calls.

I've always owned whatever Sprint's "flagship" smartphone is at the time. In the past, this was generally a HTC WinMo device, which was very "open", lots of great apps, extremely reliable, but poor UI. Now, it is Palm Pre. What a difference! Same functionality with a very compelling UI. My son owns an iPod touch, which I have spent many hours using. The webOS UI on the Pre is very comparable to Apple for basic functionality, but not yet as smooth. However, the advantages of multi-tasking, the network performance, hardward keyboard, as well as the openness of the webOS environment are more important to me than the video-like fluidity of the iPhone UI. If the only factor that matters for you is the smoothness of the UI, then by all means get an iPhone. But do not try to invalidate the opinions (which BTW is definitionally impossible) of others who place more value on different criteria.

Bottome line: network first, device second. And when you buy a house, shop for a neighborhood first, mortgage second, house third.

scott2020
join:2008-07-20
MO

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Member

Android

Android is the next big thing and the only real competition to the iPhone. It is fast, open, and backed by Google who has basically limitless resources. Many manufacturers and carriers are on board. Android will have no problem being the dominant force within the next 2 years. Even AT&T will have Android OS phones then.

FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA

FastiBook

Member

Holy crap.....

Lots of opinions & personal preferences here on this reply dealio. Have you ever just sat down and realized that 100 years ago wireless communication was just entering industry, and the device sitting in your hand wouldn't even be feasible on several levels? Have you ever just sat down, put it (be it whatever device on whatever network) in your hand, and said "wow"? I think you folks are missing that.

I am not brainwashed or misinformed, or an "att fan", i have 4 years of nothing but good satisfying service from att, and i am extremely demanding with whomever i deal with, be it candles or shoes or cameras... I happen to feel they are doing a god job, have a great network, and i love my iPhone.

- A

DG
@comcast.net

DG

Anon

Take money, fix Chicago signal

If they'd just take some of that money and boost their signal in Chicago and suburbs so people there could actually have a call not dropped for once.

I'd switch to AT&T for an iPhone in a heartbeat if service wasn't so poor in Chicagoland.