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join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA | No problem AT&T will eventually get it anyway. They'll just wait for the next Republican president, then buy both Qwest and Verizon. No need to bother with the auction. Too messy! | |
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| Re: No problem said by rdmiller  :AT&T will eventually get it anyway. They'll just wait for the next Republican president, then buy both Qwest and Verizon. No need to bother with the auction. Too messy! Maybe there won't be a "next Republican president" .. your choice  | |
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MrMoody
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
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| Re: No problem I haven't seen the Dems do much to discourage anti-competitive corporate actions, either. Sure would be nice to see ANY third political party stand a chance for once.
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Re: No problem said by MrMoody :I haven't seen the Dems do much to discourage anti-competitive corporate actions, either. Sure would be nice to see ANY third political party stand a chance for once. Try this 2008 nightmare election scenario on for size: Clinton vs. Giuliani
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join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | Re: No problem Amen to that. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Are you kidding me? Verizon has more money than AT&T and Quest combined. | |
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join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA
| Re: No problem said by grandpinaple :Are you kidding me? Verizon has more money than AT&T and Quest combined. Verizon is spending theirs hand-over-fist on FIOS. AT&T is lurking in the weeds, waiting to pounce. It only takes one bad quarter for some wise guy to suggest that Verizon is "in play". | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Re: No problem They have been at it for 3 years already. Verizon isn't stupid they are keeping their dividends high despite their massive infrastructure investment. AT&T won't be able to merge their way into this cake. AT&T can't have their cake and eat it this time to. Why would Verizon want to be apart of a giant infrastructure dinosaur that is probably going to be knee deep in the red when DOCSIS 3.0 kicks uverse into the toilet. | |
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@verizon.net | Not even close. Verizon VZ has a market cap of 128.50 Billion. AT&T T has a market cap of 252.31 Billion which makes AT&T worth almost twice as much as Verizon. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: No problem They may have assets twice as much, but Verizon has revenue 1.5 times greater. | |
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@verizon.net | Re: No problem You have it reversed for 2006 AT&T made 9 Billion net. income compared to Verizons 6 billion. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: No problem I was talking about total revenue and no Verizon still made 6 billion net of which 4 was paid in dividends and AT&T made 7. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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| What a maggot "Despite the fact that Stephenson calls the spectrum "beachfront property" and concedes that they won't find better spectrum anytime soon"...
Way to go Darth...just sue your way to the top!
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: What a maggot said by S_engineer :Way to go Darth...just sue your way to the top! How can you possibly twist AT&T's comments about prime spectrum and them possibly not bidding for the spectrum into lawsuits? | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| So far behind the curve.... What this "announcement" really means is twofold:
First, ATT realizes that it can't compete in an open new wireless market--it's a hopeless dinosaur incapable of recognizing and bringing to market new ideas in time to win market share. Therefore, it must control the spectrum, which controls the market, to succeed.
Second, ATT is totally abandoning the concept of common carriage--they only want your wireless device to carry what they allow. While this may seem to be part of this developing market, think where we'd be if ATT had only allowed phone calls to the ATT owned grocery store, the ATT owned flower shop, the ATT owned pizza parlor, etc. We'd be looking at a very different economy.
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: So far behind the curve.... said by calvoiper :ATT realizes that it can't compete in an open new wireless market--it's a hopeless dinosaur incapable of recognizing and bringing to market new ideas in time to win market share. Therefore, it must control the spectrum, which controls the market, to succeed. calvoiper What it means is that under the auction rules, if the "open access" part of the 700mhz spectrum doesn't garner a bid north of $4.9 billion, the spectrum will be pulled off the market and then rebid without the "open access" rules. So I suspect Verizon & AT&T will hold back unless some other big money company(Google ??) bids on it. Only then will they step in if they have to.
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Stardust We Are
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join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
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| Lost "Despite the fact that Stephenson calls the spectrum "beachfront property" and concedes that they won't find better spectrum anytime soon, he says that they need to run more numbers and create a proper business model before committing to the auction."
They can't even run a proper Business Model now!Hey att lobbying the fuck out of the Government is not a business Model.But you seem to like it alot.I have a good idea why not make shit people really want-innovate-God forbid you may save a few bucks paying the whores(congressmen)to do your work.
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wombough
join:2001-08-30
Beaufort, SC | att and verizon and quest will eventually merge and form bell once again. They are the only 3 baby bells left. But one can no buy the other they are too big they can only hope to merge as equals! | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Suggestion for at&t... ..."Despite the fact that Stephenson calls the spectrum "beachfront property" and concedes that they won't find better spectrum anytime soon, he says that they need to run more numbers and create a proper business model before committing to the auction."
... Take your sweet time.. take all the time in the world and run your numbers - and when the auction is over and they're still running numbers, then maybe there will ultimately be an alternative to what is the market today.
Wireless is wireless is wireless today. You get a phone that is over priced and inflated and usually doesn't quite get the task right (as in it's usually missing a feature or two that people are calling for), a service that is inconsistent based on location, locked into a VERY overpriced plan that always falls short of at least one of the user's needs, overly priced add-ons such as text message plans, and crappy customer service that could care less about talking to you in the first place. Slap a name on that such as at&t, sprint, or verizon, and you have what we call in America, "Mobile Phones"...
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MrMoody
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Smithfield, NC
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| Re: Suggestion for at&t... said by fiberguy :when the auction is over and they're still running numbers, then maybe there will ultimately be an alternative to what is the market today. No, because Verizon and Sprint will own the spectrum and it will be business as usual. Competitive internet pipe, don't make me laugh.
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MrMoody
Liberal Capitalist
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Re: Suggestion for at&t... Because Europe has a standardized, open system with true competition. | |
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
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| said by fiberguy :Wireless is wireless is wireless today. You get a phone that is over priced and inflated and usually doesn't quite get the task right (as in it's usually missing a feature or two that people are calling for), a service that is inconsistent based on location, locked into a VERY overpriced plan that always falls short of at least one of the user's needs, overly priced add-ons such as text message plans, and crappy customer service that could care less about talking to you in the first place. Slap a name on that such as at&t, sprint, or verizon, and you have what we call in America, "Mobile Phones"... Mobile Phones cost more because they're mobile. It's what you pay for.
It's why laptops cost more than a comparable desktop machine, even after you factor in the cost of the LCD.
Anything that's mobile will cost more than the non-mobile equivalent. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
1 edit | Re: Suggestion for at&t... Gee.. thanks for the lesson... even if you are incorrect in your answer. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| This is a ploy.... This is simply a ploy. They want the spectrum alright, they just want it free of ANY regulations or restrictions, and free from any open devices/access requirements.
What they are doing here is threatening to take their ball and leave Eric Cartmen style. "Screw you guys... I'm going home..."
Basically they are trying to get things the way they want them. "Our way, or the highway."
If Google or someone else big makes a bid for the spectrum above the minimum, I can assure you that all of a sudden AT&T's "numbers" will come up green and they'll be in to win.
They're hoping that the Auction fails and then the conditions are stripped, or that maybe their threat of not bidding will pressure the FCC's to change the rules and regulations for the Auction spectrum at this late hour.
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