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AT&T Hints At Usage-Based iPhone Data Pricing
To be 'determined by industry competition..'
by Karl Bode Wednesday 09-Dec-2009 tags: prices · business · bandwidth · consumers
Investors like Craig Moffett have been urging AT&T to ditch the $30 unlimited pricing model and start charging customers more money for wireless data in the form of steep overages. While there's some customers who think a more usage-based approach is a good idea, they usually fail to understand that when carriers implement such models, they frequently don't offer improved value, and users wind up paying higher prices. If you're one of the many iPhone users who like the $30 unlimited data model just as it is, things may be changing soon according to AT&T's wireless division boss:

With about 3% of smart-phone customers driving 40% of data traffic, AT&T is considering incentives to keep those subscribers from hampering the experience for everyone else, he said. . .Many customers don’t know how much bandwidth they’re consuming, Mr. de la Vega added. When AT&T conducted a broadband test, customers often reduced their data use. Longer-term, he said, a pricing scheme based on usage is likely, though it will be determined by industry competition and regulatory guidelines.

Of course for every user who's gobbling up a lot of data, there's dozens more paying $30 a month simply to access their e-mail occasionally. In the end, AT&T's consistently made more than enough money to keep pace with user demand without changing iPhone data pricing models -- they just failed to meet capacity demand. The result has been a very bad public relations year for AT&T, as consumers reacted to an AT&T wireless network that wasn't ready for the iPhone. That's AT&T's fault -- not the fault of flat-rate $30 pricing, or the fault of customers who simply want access to what was advertised.

While AT&T (and every other carrier) likes to pretend that the shift to the overage model is driven by things like "fairness" or necessity, the reality is the push is driven by investors for one reason: it winds up with you paying AT&T more money for the same (or less) service.

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alwaysonjohn

join:2003-05-23
Clarksville, TN

Terminate the contract?

They wouldn't do this, and if they did it will let a lot of iphone users to escape their contract and use their iPhone on a more data friendly provider (t-mobile). Then again, they did change sms prices which let a ton of users cancel their contract accordingly so you never know. I would definitely make the switch to verizon and sell my 3gs on eBay.
patcat88

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Jamaica, NY
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Re: Terminate the contract?

said by alwaysonjohn:

They wouldn't do this, and if they did it will let a lot of iphone users to escape their contract and use their iPhone on a more data friendly provider (t-mobile).
iPhone doesn't work on Tmobile 3G, and ATT will make sure Apple never makes an AWS iPhone while ATT has the contract.

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Re: Terminate the contract?

said by patcat88:

said by alwaysonjohn:

They wouldn't do this, and if they did it will let a lot of iphone users to escape their contract and use their iPhone on a more data friendly provider (t-mobile).
iPhone doesn't work on Tmobile 3G, and ATT will make sure Apple never makes an AWS iPhone while ATT has the contract.
Isn't there some rumor floating around that the iphone might be headed to T-Mobile next year though? If so, seems like ATT would definitely lose with this.
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brianiscool

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Yeah it does, if you unlock it.

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Re: Terminate the contract?

said by brianiscool:

Yeah it does, if you unlock it.
The iphone does work on Tmobile's GSM network but it does not work on Tmobile's 3G because it doesn't have the 1700mhz frequency which T-Mo works on.

To get your iphone unlocked it is pretty much as simple as can be now with programs like PwnageTool or RedSn0w. Anybody who is decently comfortable around computers can do it.

Right now running an iphone on Tmobile and it's working great.
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insomniac84

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Big whoop. It doesn't work on AT&T 3G either.

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Re: Terminate the contract?

said by insomniac84:

Big whoop. It doesn't work on AT&T 3G either.
So true.
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chasrome
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Which is why I would NEVER consider an iPhone.
puffgussy36

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Hampton, NH

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said by patcat88:

said by alwaysonjohn:

They wouldn't do this, and if they did it will let a lot of iphone users to escape their contract and use their iPhone on a more data friendly provider (t-mobile).
iPhone doesn't work on Tmobile 3G, and ATT will make sure Apple never makes an AWS iPhone while ATT has the contract.
1. The contract is almost up. 2. Legalities aside, there is no way Apple (popular) would ever let AT&T (unpopular) dictate its business model. I'm sure it has been said 1,000 times but AT&T's need of Apple's partnership is not necessarily recipricated.

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Re: Terminate the contract?

said by puffgussy36:

said by patcat88:

said by alwaysonjohn:

They wouldn't do this, and if they did it will let a lot of iphone users to escape their contract and use their iPhone on a more data friendly provider (t-mobile).
iPhone doesn't work on Tmobile 3G, and ATT will make sure Apple never makes an AWS iPhone while ATT has the contract.
1. The contract is almost up. 2. Legalities aside, there is no way Apple (popular) would ever let AT&T (unpopular) dictate its business model. I'm sure it has been said 1,000 times but AT&T's need of Apple's partnership is not necessarily recipricated.
Apple just wants the cash. ATT will provide it, and allow for the open ecosystem that Apple wants (so it can make even more money). As long as ATT ponies up the cash, Apple will stick with a horrible network. They did it last time they renewed their agreement.
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puffgussy36

join:2007-01-15
Hampton, NH

Re: Terminate the contract?

True. I think the game changer would be if Apple were actually to lose smartphone market share to a device on another network. Say VZ finally lands the device that lures iPhone users away. Apple might consider offer the phone through more carriers to regain the share.

The question is: Is any such device on the way? (Digression I know

tiger72
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sure you would.

Iphone customers keep getting slapped by ATT and Apple, but keep coming back for more. ATT knows this, and will use it to their advantage to squeeze even more cash out of the herd.

en102
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Re: Terminate the contract?

Yup - AT&T/Apple are taking full advantage of cash grab while they can.
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Big Dawg 23

join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN

This wont go over well

Doing a business model like this will cause folks to jump to other carriers. If the Iphone leaves for another carrier this will cause a mass exodus.

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Re: This wont go over well

said by Big Dawg 23:

Doing a business model like this will cause folks to jump to other carriers.
...unless other carriers do the same.

canesfan2001

join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL

Re: This wont go over well

They definitely will. Just look at the text messaging rates. For a long time they went down, then suddenly, they all went skyrocketing...

ropeguru
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Re: This wont go over well

said by canesfan2001:

They definitely will. Just look at the text messaging rates. For a long time they went down, then suddenly, they all went skyrocketing...
And to add to that.. They all jumped about the same amount around the same time.

Can you say collusion??

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Re: This wont go over well

Absolutely. But it's not collusion if you don't keep meeting minutes.

I agree that just like the 200% SMS price bump, a new metered billing paradigm will be hoisted upon consumers by wireless carriers pretty soon here....

koolman2
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Glad my carrier only charges $6/month for unlimited - actually, that's the only text plan they have: all or none. Incoming texts are free if you don't have a plan, otherwise 10¢ each. Alaska company GCI ftw
itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

Wouldn't switch

Definitely wouldn't go to the NOTwork.

But AT&T would see me and my wife drop our iPhones immediately.

I'd probably drop my line altogether and either go with T-Mobile or suffer with my work's Verizon phone.

Either way AT&T would loose.
flycuban

join:2005-04-25
Homestead, FL

Re: Wouldn't switch

at&t wants to make more money without having to upgrade its network. This is sick. Why can't companies just be happy with what they make.
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Re: Wouldn't switch

because their investors want to make more money NOW, and invest in network upgrades never. in fact its the get rich quick investors that have ruined the heart of american business and removed much of the risk taking from many corporations. nowdays returns on stock are valued more then being on the cutting edge.
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ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
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Re: Wouldn't switch

It's not even an issue of being on the cutting edge; it's an issue of investing in needed infrastructure. You can't just buy a vacant lot and magically produce a product without building a factory. Building that factory takes time and money, but it pays off in the long run. However, investors want profits NOW because they're usually not holding a stock long enough to realize any long-term gains, so they'd rather buy the land, then try to resell it for a quick buck. The short-term profit will be greater, but the long-term profit will be nil.

I firmly believe that, had this mentality been at work years ago, many of the major companies we have today wouldn't exist. Investors would have demanded such high immediate profits that the companies couldn't have invested anything to build infrastructure.

Not to start a political firefight, but, IMHO, this is an issue that plagues us as a country. In many areas, our infrastructure is either crumbling or simply hasn't been built properly. Everyone wants the lowest possible taxes, then they complain that roads and bridges are falling apart or the school systems are on financial life support. I'm no fan of taxes that are higher than they should be or excessive government waste, but if you want infrastructure for the future, someone is going to have to pay now. You can replace that aging bridge now on a reasonable schedule, or you can not spend the money and wait for it to be on the point of collapse, but then you have to build the new one in a hurry, which will likely cost more, plus you may have to reroute traffic if the old one has become unsafe, which causes headaches and congestion.

People have become so accustomed to immediate gratification that no one wants to spend money now for a return down the road. It's a philosophy of, "I want my money now. Let someone else worry about the future."

ropeguru
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Re: Wouldn't switch

said by ISurfTooMuch:

However, investors want profits NOW because they're usually not holding a stock long enough to realize any long-term gains, so they'd rather buy the land, then try to resell it for a quick buck. The short-term profit will be greater, but the long-term profit will be nil.

Which is why I say day traders should be kicked out of the market. Before they created all these easy to use, low/no cost trading systems, most folks were in the market for the long haul. Now that they have made things so easy for Jow Shmoe to trade, things have gone to crap.
malikeye

join:2002-09-02
Raleigh, NC
How much more do you expect me to pay? I pay ~30% from my check, and then I pay taxes on virtually everything I buy. How much is enough? I reckon I pay at least ~50% of the money I make, in taxes.

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: Wouldn't switch

So does everyone else. What is your point? Do you like roads, schools, phones, electricity, railroads, radio, tv, internet, computers, fire departments, police departments, hospitals, etc?
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Re: Wouldn't switch

said by insomniac84:

So does everyone else. What is your point? Do you like roads, schools, phones, electricity, railroads, radio, tv, internet, computers, fire departments, police departments, hospitals, etc?
What is YOUR point? Your question might as well read: Do you like ice cream? Of course, everyone does - the question is whether we're being ripped off by the structure of these goods, their consumption, and the funding mechanism (free ride for the majority at the expense of the productive).

NOT ONE of the items you mention is provided more effectively by the government than private models.

Our police and firemen make $100K+, rarely combat fires or crime, earn immense overtime, and retire quite young with fat pensions.

Our "free" public roads are always in miserable shape, and congested as there is no direct cost to use.

Our public school monopoly sucks up half the state budget, but is unable to graduate 50% of its charges.

Our municipal utilities have managed to steal billions from us, but failed to invest any in infrastructure maintenance. Their employees do better than the public safety personnel.

Public radio ... ?

Hospitals run by the government... lessee... LA County, Killer King, the VA... that's a scary thought.

I'll take "private" any day of the week.
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Re: Wouldn't switch

public safety by the private sector, "i am sorry mam your neighborhood isnt profitable to police". house burned down? sorry but your block also isnt profitable for fire protection.
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Re: Wouldn't switch

said by Kearnstd:

public safety by the private sector, "i am sorry mam your neighborhood isnt profitable to police". house burned down? sorry but your block also isnt profitable for fire protection.
If you go with the fact that most crime happens in poor neighborhoods, then the public police forces aren't terribly effective either.

As for private firefighters, those actually were in force during colonial times. Subscribers would pay a private fire company for the privilege of having firefighters on call whenever you needed them.
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nixen
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Re: Wouldn't switch

said by pnh102:

If you go with the fact that most crime happens in poor neighborhoods, then the public police forces aren't terribly effective either.
Clearly, the most cost-effective approach would simply be to surround such neighborhoods with moats and claymores.
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pnh102
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Re: Wouldn't switch

said by nixen:

Clearly, the most cost-effective approach would simply be to surround such neighborhoods with moats and claymores.
Well, we have more and more gated communities popping up.
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elray

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Santa Monica, CA
said by Kearnstd:

public safety by the private sector, "i am sorry mam your neighborhood isnt profitable to police". house burned down? sorry but your block also isnt profitable for fire protection.
Right now, we have the opposite. Criminals get a free ride in all neighborhoods, and no one is responsible. To wit, "to protect and serve", the LAPD's motto, is only a slogan. The courts have ruled they have no such duty. People died when LAPD abandoned Florence & Normandy for political correctness.

We pay phenomenal taxes, only to have our assigned police diverted to other parts of the city. We are unprotected. When crime occurs, the departments announce "increased patrols", never bothering to account for when they took them away. People have died as a result, this year.

Our fire departments are used as public taxis to the hospital for freeloaders. Thanks to union control over staffing, many stations are closed, and taxpayers have died as a result, this very year.

Poverty does not cause crime. The impoverished may make better victims for the predators, but there is no cause and effect.

A case may, I say may, be made that some areas need public subsidy of a temporary nature for police, fire, and basic medical services. But those services can be contracted, instead of creating a permanent government bureaucracy that only exists to feed itself.
dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
uh? people have been paying taxes year after year in hopes of it going towards improvements and long-term uses. It's not our fault that the government abuses it and doesn't spend it on infrastructure. We gave them the money, the result is not our fault. Same thing applies to these companies.
ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

Re: Wouldn't switch

As the electorate, it is our fault, since we keep sending these clowns back term after term. Elections often end up being decided based on who has the best hair, who is the best speaker, or who runs the slickest ads. And don't even get me started on the religion issue. There is a certain segment of the population who will automatically vote for whoever most loudly proclaims that they're more "Christian" than the other guy, never mind the fact that these folks often seem to be the biggest hypocrites out there.

The whole system stinks, from the lifetime politicians in Washington and various state capitals to the demagogues playing on people's emotions to the assorted sheep and fools who vote based on little more than who has the best smile.

en102
Canadian, eh?

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said by Kearnstd:

because their investors want to make more money NOW, and invest in network upgrades never.
Exactly... investors will pressure AT&T to make as much profit in order to get a better ROI .. and they want it yesterday.
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Vamp9190
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Yeah, I have a BB Bold, and I would never pay more than what the current data plan costs, so if my current usage would make the price higher, cancel city here I come.

Seems like with phone carriers it is always so-so. Can anyone really say one is the best, each has issues I think.

Just not sure what other carrier to use: Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint...ugh. Plus I would not want some cheesy phone, it has got to be really good.

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AT&T is currently the only national carrier that offers an "unlimited" plan for any phone, that being the iPhone. Where would you go? All of the other carriers have hard caps on usage.
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Re: Wouldn't switch

said by pnh102:

AT&T is currently the only national carrier that offers an "unlimited" plan for any phone, that being the iPhone. Where would you go? All of the other carriers have hard caps on usage.
No, it's not unlimited, it's capped at 5GB.
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Re: Wouldn't switch

said by Gbcue:

No, it's not unlimited, it's capped at 5GB.
Yes, it is stated to be "unlimited" by AT&T itself:

»www.wireless.att.com/learn/inter···es.jsp#8

quote:
++ While using data on iPhone is unlimited within the U.S., Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, international data roaming can get expensive quickly as international roaming rates apply. Voice and data usage, including data usage incurred from delivery of Visual Voicemail messages, will be charged at international rates. For a complete list of countries visit att.com/dataconnectglobal and rates visit att.com/worldpackages. AT&T offers these iPhone International traveling tips to help you keep control of data usage.
Of course, I am sure there is a "secret" limit if you go too high on the data.

Also note that other AT&T data plans have the 5GB limit.
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patcat88

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But Macfans would not drop their phones. Keeping up with the Jones doesn't follow logic.

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Re: Wouldn't switch

when will committing suicide become cool again?

mather

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It better be $0.0020 per K and not $0.20 per k

It better be $0.0020 per K and not $0.20 per k

I can see it now a kid get's beat up after running up a $5000 iphone bill.

iHateATT

@mymmode.com

Re: It better be $0.0020 per K and not $0.20 per k

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that will never happen. Not until LTE becomes standard anyways. At that pricing configuration a user could use 3x the amount of bandwith that AT&T allows now, and still only pay $30. I would imagine that with their current track record, we'll see something more along the lines of .007 to .01.

pnh102
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With a Reasonable Cap, Yes

If AT&T's claim that a tiny minority of users use the bulk of the bandwidth, then a very cap that targets these users would be reasonable.

If AT&T wants to be sincere, it could use the Comcast approach of a high cap that very few people hit, with those who hit it having their speeds throttled.

Of course the result will most likely be a very low cap with very high overages.
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riturno

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Re: With a Reasonable Cap, Yes

As you pointed out, "If".

Do bandwidth hogs exist? »arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···lyst.ars

ptrowski
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Very tough to check usage....

Settings -> General ->Usage, Scroll down. Wicked tough.

avg user

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Re: Very tough to check usage....

said by ptrowski:

Settings -> General ->Usage, Scroll down. Wicked tough.
That is not your current usage, it's an on-going counter since the last reset. Do *YOU* reset your counter at the end of every billing cycle?

McShaken
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It's all about making more money...

AT&T is already expensive.... This is just another excuse for silver spoons and golden parachutes... If the iPhone crowd is giving AT&T heartburn, I'm sure the other carriers would be happy to take on the iPhone and its loyal following.

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Re: It's all about making more money...

said by McShaken:

I'm sure the other carriers would be happy to take on the iPhone and its loyal following.
Verizon initially told Apple to go screw themselves when Apple was looking for a carrier.
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Matt3
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Deja Vu All Over Again?

said by AT&T :
With about 3% of smart-phone customers driving 40% of data traffic, AT&T is considering incentives to keep those subscribers from hampering the experience for everyone else ...
Wait wait, where have I heard this before?
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Re: Deja Vu All Over Again?

said by Matt3:

said by AT&T :
With about 3% of smart-phone customers driving 40% of data traffic, AT&T is considering incentives to keep those subscribers from hampering the experience for everyone else ...
Wait wait, where have I heard this before?
Every major ISP?
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Re: Deja Vu All Over Again?

said by ptrowski:

said by Matt3:

said by AT&T :
With about 3% of smart-phone customers driving 40% of data traffic, AT&T is considering incentives to keep those subscribers from hampering the experience for everyone else ...
Wait wait, where have I heard this before?
Every major ISP?
Even with 5GB caps, they are whining about the "bandwidth hogs."
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Oedipus

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Pricing

If it happens, I wont be surprised if it's $30 per month plus what ever per-byte fee they can pull out of their ass.

Hopefully it will affect Blackberries too so I can tell them to stuff it.

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If this happens then adios

I'd close all my lines and take my $243 somewhere else. Or better yet, just get a blackberry through work and just use my iPhone as an iPod touch.

The only way I'd stay is if the metered billing started at $0 and had a reasonable per KiB rate.
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Lookn4Me40

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Here we go Again

If ATT does this junk, My i-phone 3gs will quickly become a christmas ornament LOL... They'd better let us out of our contracts, I'll tell you that... They will lose customers faster than Sprint is........

VodaTel

@yscriticalcare.com

Sick of AT&T / Verizon and all the other overpriced shrills


I can't wait for AT&T to lose exclusivity with this device.

I love my iPhone, but these corporate shrills will push more and more until they get their hands slapped. To be honest, Verizon is pulling the same crap with their ETF's.... until they get their hands slapped. They're all in the business to give us less and less while getting us to pay more and more.

I don't blame investors for wanting more and more... after all that's why they invest, but there needs to be a balance. Companies like AT&T will throw their customers under the bus the first opportunity they get or if they start to feel pressure from the likes of Moffett and company.

I do have one line I opened up with T-Mobile with my unlocked iPhone. To be honest, it works just fine... in fact, even though it only uses EDGE, at least it's consistent and dependable. Once T-Mobile gets their own 3G iPhone (please next summer) I'm moving my other 2 lines over to them too.

obeythelaw
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no way

if att does this with the iphone, i will cancel my contract and hopefully not have to pay an etf and switch to verizon and just go with a blackberry.

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Re: no way

said by obeythelaw:

if att does this with the iphone, i will cancel my contract and hopefully not have to pay an etf and switch to verizon and just go with a blackberry.
And pay $50 a month for a data plan that they REQUIRE you to have with a 5GB cap.... :
dualsub2006

join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY

Re: no way

A) The most expensive BB plan through Verizon is $45 and that includes BES access. All consumer data rates are $30 for all phones. Maybe you could get your facts straight in advance.
B) You can't buy a smartphone from Sprint or AT&T (IDK about T-Mobile) without a data plan. It is REQUIRED by all. Facts. Again.
C) It has been told to me by numerous VZW people that there is no 5GB cap on smartphone data plans. Aside from that, I have tried a NUMBER of times to do 5GB on my Treo, BB and now Droid. I can't do it. I can't watch enough YouTube videos or download enough songs from Amazon or check my email often enough to even come close. 2.2GB is as close as I have come.

r81984
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Craig Moffett is an @sshole

Who is this moron and why does he want to screw over the customers???
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Republicans: less fiscally conservative than that other party.

karlmarx

join:2006-09-18
iraq

So, lets be FAIR

Ok, so they charge $30.00 for 5GB of data. Let's be fair, they charge $6.00 per GB. Let them DO a usage based fee then. If you only USE 1GB, then you data bill is $6.00. Oh, WAIT, that's NOT what they are talking about. They are taking about a BASE $30.00 charge for the 1st byte, and $6.00 for every GB above that. I fail to see how the latter pricing plan is an INCENTIVE for users, that's a DISINCENTIVE.
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en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: So, lets be FAIR

Yup - there's no incentive to use 'less' than 5GB....just an incentive to not use more than 5GB.
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Linklist
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5

Opinion claimed as facts with no proof

»AT&T Hints At Usage-Based iPhone Data Pricing
While AT&T (and every other carrier) likes to pretend that the shift to the overage model is driven by things like "fairness" or necessity, the reality is the push is driven by investors for one reason: it winds up with you paying AT&T more money for the same (or less) service.
The above is Karl's OPINION. And it is not fact based on any objective criteria.
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Jim Kirk
Premium
join:2005-12-09

Re: Opinion claimed as facts with no proof

said by Linklist:

»AT&T Hints At Usage-Based iPhone Data Pricing
While AT&T (and every other carrier) likes to pretend that the shift to the overage model is driven by things like "fairness" or necessity, the reality is the push is driven by investors for one reason: it winds up with you paying AT&T more money for the same (or less) service.
The above is Karl's OPINION. And it is not fact based on any objective criteria.
I'd say it's based on past experience. Of course everything you post is based on FACT.
hoyleysox

join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA

Collusion

Longer-term, he said, a pricing scheme based on usage is likely, though it will be determined by industry competition and regulatory guidelines.
Meaning if Verizon raises wireless data rates, AT&T will too. Just like all the carriers simultaneously raised text message rates.
andyross
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL

Cap changes, too?

If only 3% are using 40% of capacity, odds are AT&T will rig it so that 90% pay more than the current $30.

Mang

@yahoo.com

I would love per usage based billing for the iphone.

As it is I have already blocked:
* International roaming
* text
* data (yes i can, maybe not you)
* MMS

I just need to block international dialing next.

I would love for AT&T to not require an Iphone data plan and just rape me on the usage that i put in. As it is I use Zero data and only have a monthly bill of $70 (all inclusive with fees and taxes) for 3 lines (two of which are iphones).

I get all the WiFi i can use at work and at home OR using iPassConnect for any hotspot (or comcast wifi) when i'm on the move.

Saving $60/mo over you suckers! woot!

anonname

@verizon.net

AT&T SUCKS

Its always the f(&Y*##$@g investors that want more money, and a bailout, but for everyone else its just not a big deal.

What is it with people, dont they understand that technology is getting better, and that with each passing few months another phone and device or service will come out that will consume more data, at a faster rate....?????

Its like we are going back in time, instead of moving forward, they lour people in with "unlimited" bullshit, and then talk about changing plans.

I for one will dump all my phones from AT&T and lets see how they like losing my $150 a month. And then watch when i convince everyone else to do the same, they will see what will happen then.

And yes of course they will rig it so they make more money then they currently are, all because in the next quarter they will say "oh we did really good" and then with the balance sheet for next year "its great we quadrupled in profit", its going to make the investors jump in joy while everyone who sticks with them suffers.

This country is becoming retarded, especially with people like that idiot Craig Moffett guy who only care about the money going into the rich peoples pockets, and higher profits. Screw him and anyone that is trying to hold this country back from what we deserve/PAY FOR

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