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AT&T Hints at 1 Gbps GigaPower in North Carolina
by Karl Bode 09:18AM Thursday Apr 10 2014
Currently only available in a small portion of Austin at speeds of 300 Mbps, AT&T has recently hinted that their "1 Gbps Gigapower" U-Verse upgrade will soon be coming to portions of Dallas and San Antonio. Now AT&T is hinting that the faster service could appear in portions of the Triangle and Piedmont Triad regions of North Carolina.

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According to a company press release, AT&T is in "advanced discussions" with the North Carolina Next Generation Network (NCNGN) to offer Gigapower over the core fiber being deployed there by the initiative, which has the support of numerous companies.

As part of their participation in the NCNGN, AT&T says they'll provide public Wi-Fi and free U-Verse to "up to" 100 public locations and 100 business buildings. They'll also be offering free 3 Mbps service to 10 affordable housing complexes.

Like other AT&T Gigapower announcements the company doesn't offer an estimate of how many everyday residential customers will actually be able to get the faster 1 Gbps speeds when the dust settles. AT&T has repeatedly told investors the upgrades won't really hit AT&T's bottom line hard if at all, which continues to suggest less broad deployment and more marketing theater designed to counter the PR hit taken by initiatives like Google Fiber (read: offer next-gen speeds to just enough users to appear competitive and adaptive).

In Austin, AT&T offers 1 Gbps lines for $70 if you agree to be monitored by AT&T's deep packet inspection technology and have all of your surfing and online activities monitored. The cost is $100 a month if you refuse. Among the few users that can actually get the service, I've seen some complaints in our forums that Usenet appears to be throttled on the connections, which again won't be upgraded to 1 Gbps until later this year.

North Carolina has been a point of contention in telecom discussions after Time Warner Cable spent years lobbying for a bill that would restrict the ability of local communities to upgrade lagging telecom infrastructure. Time Warner Cable succeeded on new laws limiting local residents' rights after their fourth attempt, then crowed about their participation in the NCNGN and their dedication to 1 Gbps connectivity.

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gatorkram
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Sigh

No one wants to come east of I-95 it seems.
ke4pym
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Re: Sigh

Your best bet is going to be RST Fiber out of Shelby, NC.

F100

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Re: Sigh

Right ke4pym. Funny thing is that Durham isn't serviced by AT&T. Verizon was actually the local carrier back when they were promising FIOS to everybody but sold the Durham city market to Frontier a few years ago when they unloaded a bunch of markets. Not sure if that is the whole county or just the city but most of the county is the city now.

So I don't know how they can say the Triangle when you are missing one of three sides. Guess they missed that Geography lesson. At&T talks in circles anyways.

Maybe that will at least encourage Google to move into this market to show AT&T how much better to do it. We'll have to see. So far, RST fiber is the closest I've seen to real network deployment (wired or wireless) and not just talk.
cramer
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Re: Sigh

It was the entire GTE footprint. They did actually run a huge amount of fiber. However, Frontier are too stupid to use it.

AT&T is just blowing more smoke. NCNGN is a powerless, meaningless bunch of blowhards. NCNGN isn't building anything, doesn't own anything, and has no means to get anyone to do anything at all. "Participation" is just BS ink on more BS paper. AT&T's "gigabit" network has yet to materialize anywhere.
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Re: Sigh




They may have not done a lot with it yet, but to say it hasn't yet materialized anywhere is a lie.

I think they will do it in places they have U-verse via FTTH.

I am still hoping RST makes it, though I am disappointed that Raleigh the city will not be getting it in 90 days due to the fact wake forest some how counts as Raleigh.
cramer
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Re: Sigh

It. Is. A. Lie. 300 != 1000. "We'll upgrade it later", is not 1 gig, either.
kcdogg

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My girlfriend lives in Reidsville outside of town and no one, not AT&T or TWC, will make the necessary improvements so she can get cable or DSL.

battleop

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Now wait a minute!

EPB says you can download a Full length HD movie in just 12 seconds (but they can't tell you from what site) with their 1Gb service and AT&T says it's 36 seconds with their 1Gb. I think someone is full of crap.

Come to think of it I think they both are.
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elefante72

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Re: Now wait a minute!

Dont confuse marketing bs. You can only download at the speed of the slowest point in the chain. If the network is not the bottleneck, then the sender is or the receiver. Even on my 50/25 line, I can rarely max that out on any download, hence why I don't bother getting anything higher.
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said by battleop:

EPB says you can download a Full length HD movie in just 12 seconds (but they can't tell you from what site) with their 1Gb service and AT&T says it's 36 seconds with their 1Gb.

Perhaps AT&T meant to say 36 seconds with their "available now" 300 Mbps? The 1 Gbps is a future speed.
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Re: Now wait a minute!

said by n4bkn:

said by battleop:

EPB says you can download a Full length HD movie in just 12 seconds (but they can't tell you from what site) with their 1Gb service and AT&T says it's 36 seconds with their 1Gb.

Perhaps AT&T meant to say 36 seconds with their "available now" 300 Mbps? The 1 Gbps is a future speed.

And the future Gbit might end up 2.5Gb shared with entire hood. Google has high capacity backend design to give everyone in fiberhood a Gbit.
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Re: Now wait a minute!

And is still at the mercy of the rest of the Internet. So still if the download you're getting is only coming from T1 or T3 you are still only going to get that speed. So having the Gbit is pointless as you're only going to see it on a rare occasion.

battleop

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Re: Now wait a minute!

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!!!

Chuck tell him what he's won....
existenz

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Re: Now wait a minute!

Not sure where you get your information. I can pull over 800M outside Google Fiber with one computer and near a Gbit with 2 computers. And there are likely hundreds of people in my fiberhood that are active.

See the second post....
»Google Fiber Kansas City

Edit: Here are some KC/Chicago tests at this time...



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Re: Now wait a minute!

Still not what you pay for, but it is okay since it's by Google right? Now try the Speed Test from DSLR and see what you get. Also show the actual links from Ookla so we can see if they were Photoshopped.

And you must not have obtained your information from someone that knows that their internet service is only as fast as the slowest point. Aka- a t1 is SLOWER than your GF. Would you like to do a speedtest to my connection at my home? You won't pull what you just posted.
cramer
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And just how do expect to get greater than 100mbps out of a 100mbps connection? (read: MINE.) You are ultimately at the mercy of the speed of the machine sending you data. In the case of my web servers, that's 10 (ten) Mbps -- intentionally to limit their throughput.

(BTW, the link is gig, but the ISP hardware at both ends limits it to 100. While I can remove the traffic shaping on my side, I cannot on their's.)
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Re: Now wait a minute!

Yeah, no doubt a single connection can only go as fast as each end. The point here though is that multiple people can be doing many things at same time to various sites and not interfere with each other. The way Google designed network, it appears most everyone in a fiberhood could get near Gbit and not interfere with each other. With other Gbit ISPs, it appears that entire hoods could be sharing a 2.5Gbit GPON and could more likely interfere with each other.
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Re: Now wait a minute!

I read his review and it looks like he does get near 1gbs if there are two PCs using the network at the same time if I understood right.

Cool to see a google fiber person here. I hope to be a google fiber or RST fiber customer soon. For now I am stuck with old cable tech.

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So show us how many non speed test sites sustain those speeds.
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Re: Now wait a minute!

Dropbox does over 200M sustained on syncs. I'm not sure about Google HD but TV is not compressed beyond original content so could be 15+ for each recording - will check on GFiber forums. Netflix 4K is 15M per device. Torrenting is maybe major thing that can sustain over 200 today (I've seen 500) - is likely some kid(s) in your hood will do this. That adds up for entire neighborhoods if only on a 2.5G GPON.

Again, were talking about many users in a neighborhood and that ISPs are claiming to offer 300M/1G but are sharing 2.5 in entire hood. Limits could more likely be hit with them than with Google Gbit.
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Re: Now wait a minute!

said by existenz:

Dropbox does over 200M sustained on syncs. I'm not sure about Google HD but TV is not compressed beyond original content so could be 15+ for each recording - will check on GFiber forums. Netflix 4K is 15M per device. Torrenting is maybe major thing that can sustain over 200 today (I've seen 500) - is likely some kid(s) in your hood will do this. That adds up for entire neighborhoods if only on a 2.5G GPON.

Again, were talking about many users in a neighborhood and that ISPs are claiming to offer 300M/1G but are sharing 2.5 in entire hood. Limits could more likely be hit with them than with Google Gbit.

200mbs on dropbox, did you have to use an SSD to keep that speed up or did a HDD manage to keep up with that?
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Re: Now wait a minute!

You're confusing megabits with megabytes. 200Mb ~ 20MB. I have complete crap laptop drives that read at 50-60MB (bytes) per second, while that's not gig, it's a lot faster than his dropbox upload.
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said by TBBroadband:

And is still at the mercy of the rest of the Internet. So still if the download you're getting is only coming from T1 or T3 you are still only going to get that speed. So having the Gbit is pointless as you're only going to see it on a rare occasion.

Yep - I have a friend in Kansas City who got Google Fiber recently.. Most of his speed tests avg 300-400 down / 300-400 up using a direct connection to their router/gateway/interface.

Sure Gigabit to everyone would be nice but the reality is your going to be bottle necked by everything running off 100mb connections elsewhere.
existenz

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Re: Now wait a minute!

We're talking about sharing neighborhood connections here, not individual connections. ATT is possibly sharing 2.5G with entire hood, is more likely many users in hood will interfere with each other than way Google Gbit is designed.

As far as household, as more services bump up speeds on the source end and Gbit users update to modern computers, they'll be able to push/pull closer to a Gbit with multiple users. IE, my highest end computer can do 800/800, some older can only do 200. But many computers/tablets at once in household can be pulling 50-200+ from various services, potentially up to near 1Gbit.

With over 15 devices in my home, on Google they won't interfere with each other if say concurrently DropBox were syncing at 200Mbps, DVR recording up to 8 channels, and a couple devices doing 4K Netflix, etc. Google Gbit would have no problem handling this within a household or even many doing this in fiberhood - 150 potential users in my condo building alone. Other Gbit ISPs with 2.5Gb GPON may not be able to handle that at the neighborhood level, let alone a single large building.

Simba7
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at&t at it again

In Austin, AT&T offers 1 Gbps lines for $70 if you agree to be monitored by AT&T's deep packet inspection technology and have all of your surfing and online activities monitored. The cost is $100 a month if you refuse.

So, you're getting penalized $30 if you don't want to be spied on.. when in reality you're spied on anyway? Nice way of providing a false sense of security while beefing up your profits.

As part of their participation in the NCNGN, AT&T says they'll provide public Wi-Fi and free U-Verse to "up to" 100 public locations and 100 business buildings. They'll also be offering free 3 Mbps service to 10 affordable housing complexes.

..of their choosing and whenever they feel like it. They'll probably institute caps and put the link on the lowest priority in their network.

Like other AT&T Gigapower announcements the company doesn't offer an estimate of how many everyday residential customers will actually be able to get the faster 1 Gbps speeds when the dust settles. AT&T has repeatedly told investors the upgrades won't really hit AT&T's bottom line hard if at all, which continues to suggest less broad deployment and more marketing theater designed to counter the PR hit taken by initiatives like Google Fiber (read: offer next-gen speeds to just enough users to appear competitive and adaptive).

Precisely. They've pulled this crap before, promising things and never actually doing a damn thing. I guess no one learns from the past and we get screwed over in the process.
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elefante72

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Re: at&t at it again

Well the answer to spying is running a VPN tunnel. Not exactly rocket science. Any sensitive stuff I run through a SOCKS proxy on the web and I have a VPN VM for anything else I don't want people to know about.

In Canada Rogers was doing DPI by default along with traffic shaping, so I am SURE AT&T is already doing this in the US and tapping that data to the Three Letter Agencies. Check your cell, DPI.

We are so naive in this country.

And I may be crazy but all this free stuff communities require to get franchises is total bs, because that cost (in addition to the franchise taxes) just gets passed on to the people who actually work for a living. If they want to wire a building, pay for it. Government buildings don't have a right to internet just because they are the royals. They don't rake in enough $$$ from franchise fees to pay for such things?

If you look at where these guys are putting fiber, it's essentially areas where competition IS, not where it is not. So wastefully you have cities with two sets of fiber, and large swaths of the US sucking bits through a straw. This doesn't move the needle for the country, it simply creates a larger divide for the rest of us.
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Re: at&t at it again

Right on!

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said by Simba7:

In Austin, AT&T offers 1 Gbps lines for $70 if you agree to be monitored by AT&T's deep packet inspection technology and have all of your surfing and online activities monitored. The cost is $100 a month if you refuse.

So, you're getting penalized $30 if you don't want to be spied on.. when in reality you're spied on anyway? Nice way of providing a false sense of security while beefing up your profits.

Google does the same thing, so does Facebook, offer free or discounted products in exchange for privacy. Not sure why this is so nefarious when AT&T does it, you're the one giving up your privacy. They simply will make money off it by offering other products and you're the one that provides the data they use, so they are providing you a discount for the privilege.

As part of their participation in the NCNGN, AT&T says they'll provide public Wi-Fi and free U-Verse to "up to" 100 public locations and 100 business buildings. They'll also be offering free 3 Mbps service to 10 affordable housing complexes.

..of their choosing and whenever they feel like it. They'll probably institute caps and put the link on the lowest priority in their network.

Now you're just making things up, doubtful priority will be any different, that'd be more work than it's worth. Of course they will cherry pick. As a business, why would you provide service for free to places it'd be the most expensive to provide? I don't like it, but I understand it. I'm a victim of it as well, I don't have U-verse in my neighborhood, but the more prestigious neighborhood across the street has been fully deployed.

Like other AT&T Gigapower announcements the company doesn't offer an estimate of how many everyday residential customers will actually be able to get the faster 1 Gbps speeds when the dust settles. AT&T has repeatedly told investors the upgrades won't really hit AT&T's bottom line hard if at all, which continues to suggest less broad deployment and more marketing theater designed to counter the PR hit taken by initiatives like Google Fiber (read: offer next-gen speeds to just enough users to appear competitive and adaptive).

Precisely. They've pulled this crap before, promising things and never actually doing a damn thing. I guess no one learns from the past and we get screwed over in the process.

They delivered 300 Mbps. It's marketing and posturing, tons of businesses do it, and when you're public you have to protect your shares. I agree, though. It seems like better marketing would be to drum up feign interest like Google does and have your cherry picking veiled by the users doing most of the work. "Hey we might bring this service to you if you really want it enough, make sure to write your legislature for us!" It's all bull****, just different flavors and Google has convinced the public that they are doing this in your best interest, but only if you beg them enough. It's genius!

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Re: at&t at it again

said by Mizzat:

Google does the same thing, so does Facebook, offer free or discounted products in exchange for privacy. Not sure why this is so nefarious when AT&T does it, you're the one giving up your privacy. They simply will make money off it by offering other products and you're the one that provides the data they use, so they are providing you a discount for the privilege.

Yes google and many other companies do this BUT this is usually really clear and actually provides you added value, another big point is that YOU CAN CHOOSE what you share with google or hell even if you don't want to use their service but for isp's you only have one other choice which makes your point kind of moot
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Re: at&t at it again

Well and can they really deliver 300/1Gbps to every user as Google does. Someone else said in another thread that ATT is doing 2.5GPON shared with entire hood. Google is supposedtly doing some kind of WDM-PON/Active Ethernet that allows nearly everyone in fiberhood to hit near a Gbit.

Apologies for posting this often but here's my review of Google Fiber in KC. It really does deliver nearly a full Gbit despite nearly 150 units in my building and many other hirises in my fiberhood with Gfiber already delivered.

»Google Fiber Kansas City
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Re: at&t at it again

Google only promises that speed on THEIR network as any other ISP. Just because you signed up for 1gig service does NOT mean you will get that once your traffic hits the internet outside of the Google World. You should do a speedtest here on DSLR and I bet you won't get that speed that you're always posting about now

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I'm not convinced that Google or FB make it that clear they sell your data either. It's simply more known since that is their main business model, where AT&T is just now ramping that model up, but traditionally not their primary money maker.

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said by Simba7:

They've pulled this crap before, promising things and never actually doing a damn thing. I guess no one learns from the past and we get screwed over in the process.

The difference is this will be a contract, with specific terms and conditions. The "promises" were never documented in a legally enforceable contract. If AT&T fails to deliver, there s/b terms in the contract for their failure to perform.

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decifal

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great

great, just freaking great.. Once again now they get close to my area with Uverse deployments, and now they will once again go back into the G.D city and start this soo called improvement all over again... I just wish to hell they would sell my remote terminal to a coop or smaller company and let the rest of us catch up with the world.

Ark

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So you can reach your data cap in 20 minutes!

What a great way to sucker people into overage charges!

»www.google.com/webhp#q=150GB+%2F+1Gbps
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Re: So you can reach your data cap in 20 minutes!

DSL is limited to 150 GB cap, 250 GB for U-Verse for regular tiers.

300 megs supposedly is a 1 tb cap. »forums.att.com/t5/Account-Billin···/true#M1
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Re: So you can reach your data cap in 20 minutes!

the 250 on U-Verse is not enforced

popwarner

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minimal strategy

Looks like At&t is going to only counter Google to the exact extent of Google's build out, or at least that's what it seems like so far. It gets them good press by doing the minimum necessary to compete. Other major ISPs are likely to, at most, follow in At&t's footsteps.

At this rate, Google will actually need to build out to the rest of the country before we actually see real change to infrastructure... Who knows when/if that will happen. Hopefully some critical mass will be reached and other ISP efforts will build into a self sustaining race to improve infrastructure... But I wouldn't want to bet on it.
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Re: minimal strategy

said by popwarner :

Looks like At&t is going to only counter Google to the exact extent of Google's build out, or at least that's what it seems like so far. It gets them good press by doing the minimum necessary to compete. Other major ISPs are likely to, at most, follow in At&t's footsteps.

At this rate, Google will actually need to build out to the rest of the country before we actually see real change to infrastructure... Who knows when/if that will happen. Hopefully some critical mass will be reached and other ISP efforts will build into a self sustaining race to improve infrastructure... But I wouldn't want to bet on it.

And time warner cable so far isn't even trying to match what AT&T's doing.

I agree they are aiming low so far, but TWC isn't even looking like they are going to try.
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No Gbps for Charlotte

I guess Charlotte being the other Google Fiber city on the list do not count for much. Wonder if there will be a press release that Charlotte will get the service in a few days. If they don't do something they will lose both major cities to Google or someone else. Like RST Fiber.
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believe it when i see it

AT&T abruptly stopped its U-Verse roll-out in our area of NC a couple of years ago when they got only a few thousand subscribers in Greensboro despite a huge marketing campaign.

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