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AT&T Hungry to Expand Into Europe
by Karl Bode 04:33PM Friday Aug 30 2013
As Verizon eyes expanding into the Canadian wireless market, AT&T has their eyes set on expanding into Europe. Bloomberg notes that AT&T has explored possibly acquiring portions of Vodafone, European carrier EE, as well as part of Spain's Telefonica SA. Rumors that Verizon would be buying out Vodafone's 45% ownership stake in Verizon Wireless re-emerged this week; AT&T's interested in buying some of what's left of Vodafone, but wireless only -- not any of the company's fixed line ambitions. AT&T could pay about 80 billion pounds ($124 billion) for what's left of Vodafone, according to Wall Street analysts.

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chgo_man99

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In Business World they are already global

and have huge IP network and presence in Europe and Asia. Its gonna be interesting to see how they are gonna compete in consumer market where in Europe there is actually stronger competition in the cellular market. They should focus on Central and Eastern Europe where consumer growth is not yet saturated, market is young and growing fast and adoption of new technologies is up ahead in a leading position. Northern and Central Europe has adopted LTE faster and earlier than western countries of Europe. They could adopt Plus GSM in Poland (Vodafone's share - »www.plus.pl/indywidualna/English/welcome/) which is smaller than the largest T-Mobile there in terms of subscribers but it has better coverage especially with data 3G/4G and LTE.
TBBroadband

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Re: In Business World they are already global

the Europe is also HUGE on prepaid and NOT contracts. Contracts there are also 13 months but have huge amounts of MVNOs.
34764170

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Re: In Business World they are already global

Smart people.
chgo_man99

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They have there 2 year contracts too, not in all countries they have only 1 year contract. But what they have in common is the more features you sign up and the bigger monthly payments you make, the less you pay upfront for a device.
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Re: In Business World they are already global

Also they use GSM more than here. And when you buy the device its generally unlocked to be used across the board, especially in the UK/Britain. They're cell business there is way better than here. Only if our country would adopt those models- no contracts, buy the phone, and use prepaid.

Simba7
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at&t: We've screwed over America..

..let's see if we can screw over Europe while abandoning America.

cork1958
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Re: at&t: We've screwed over America..

That's close to how I would've said it but I would've put it like this:

let's see if we can screw over Europe while STILL screwing America.
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dra6o0n

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Re: at&t: We've screwed over America..

More like, America gotten fat and unappealing to them, so AT&T decided to cheat by dating Europe.
34764170

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Re: at&t: We've screwed over America..

There is only so much they can rape clueless North American's.

batterup
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"AT&T Hungry..."

Oh my; will it eat me?

IPPlanMan
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Hey AT&T! Finish building the LTE network here first...

Jeezus... No wonder AT&T's network is a hodge-podge of technologies:
Edge, 3G [HSPA], Faux-G [HSPA+], LTE

AT&T currently spins its network as a "layered approach": »www.att.com/network/
- "With the introduction of 4G LTE, AT&T is also the only carrier that offers two layers of network technology that deliver 4G speeds: LTE and HSPA+... That means a smoother, more consistent 4G experience overall."

Hogwash. There's nothing consistent about having a network protocol change on you.

Compare this to Verizon which can say, as of June 27, 2013: »news.verizonwireless.com/news/20···ets.html
- "Verizon Wireless’ 4G LTE network is available to more than 99 percent of its 3G footprint and to more than 95 percent of the entire U.S. population."

With 99% "LTE-overbuild" coverage by Verizon, does AT&T honestly expect us to care that its network is layered? No, I would like to know why the LTE coverage sucked in Ocean City, which is a place that AT&T was so proud to announce it launched in May 2013: »www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=2···id=36511
[Yes, I "Marked the Spot" with the app repeatedly]

When's AT&T supposed to be done with its LTE build? Oh, it'll be "substantially complete" by Summer 2014: »www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=703494

Not sure what "substantially complete" means... does it mean 99% of its 3G/Faux-G networks? I have my doubts.
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en103

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Re: Hey AT&T! Finish building the LTE network here first...

Fortunately - its better than where it was a few years ago.
EDGE/UMTS-HPSA+/LTE have at least a common back end.
Back in the AT&T Wireless days/Cingular days, it was AMPS/TDMA + GSM/EDGE with an initial sprinking of UMTS and swiss cheese coverage.
ANSI core vs. MAP core was a huge problem. The vast majority is at least UMTS/HSPA+ with some rural areas still on GSM/EDGE.
Verizon still has a lot of 1x/EVDO/LTE just as AT&T has EDGE/UMTS-HSPA+/LTE.

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There's nothing wrong with AT&T running EDGE, HSPA+, and LTE. This is the natural evolution of the technology path they have chosen. They still need the older technologies for backward compatibility... if they shut them down too soon, everyone would complain about how a "greedy corporation" is forcing everyone to buy new equipment and sign new contracts.

Verizon is running CDMA 1X, EVDO, and LTE. 1X in particular will live on for a long time since there are a lot of legacy (and often expensive to replace) industry specific devices that still use it. Verizon has just been quicker to upgrade their network, which is a result of business decisions more than technology.

Getting kicked from LTE to a properly implemented HSPA+ network is a much better experience than LTE to EVDO, so there is some truth to AT&T's claims.

If you want a mess of technologies, look no further than Sprint, who until recently ran: iDEN, CDMA 1X, EVDO, WiMAX, and LTE. That did create real world problems for customers and excessive overhead, since Sprint has been bogged down dealing with too many networks despite having fewer customers than VZW or AT&T.
TBBroadband

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Re: Hey AT&T! Finish building the LTE network here first...

and they still run; CDMA 1X, EVDO Rev. A, WiMax and very little LTE. Most of which will be still years before its shut down due to contracts and the amount of customers that are still using and signing up with those services/networks.
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Actually, it is pretty smooth. HSPA+ is adequate for the vast majority of the country. The 10% of the country that has cities and dense suburban areas needs LTE, the other 90% is fine on HSPA+.
34764170

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Re: Hey AT&T! Finish building the LTE network here first...

LTE is such an improvement just for the much lower latency alone never mind the much faster speeds. Very much worth the upgrade.
BiggA

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Re: Hey AT&T! Finish building the LTE network here first...

I'd rather they upgrade EDGE to even regular 3G than Faux G to LTE. However, they are doing both, and they have already overlaid virtually all problem spots on HSPA+ with LTE, and they are going to be 100% UMTS by the end of the year.
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Ha! 99% my ass. There are huge swaths of both land and population that still have EVDO-Only. But at any rate, it doesn't really matter, as most places I go my iPhone on AT&T's HSPA+ network is faster than my Android LTE phone on Verizon.

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Oh great.

i could not care less about Telefonica but the fact that they want to devour a quality provider like Vodafone is truly sad. Some of that may not get an approval anyway because a take over of vodafone and telefonica's wireless subsidiary o2 would leave a number of countries with just two providers.
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Intertwine

Maybe this is a new future for America and Europe . Let telecommunication and Internet Service Providers work in different countries to broaden business. This could create more jobs and more revenue sources.

atuarre
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RE

Good luck AT&T. The regulatory climate in Europe is much different then it is here in the states.
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Re: RE

said by atuarre:

Good luck AT&T. The regulatory climate in Europe is much different then it is here in the states.

And unlike the US the regulators in the EU will be much harder for them to buy than a US Congress critter.
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The headline should actually read

"NSA desperate to expand global spy network" since ATT is a bunch of whores that sold out the 4th Amendment long ago.

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Cheaper international roaming

Hopefully it'll bring cheaper international roaming.

While I have Verizon, it'll be a nice relief for people to be able who travel overseas to not have to pay the exorbitant international roaming rates when AT&T owns the European cellular infrastructure.

The reason international roaming is so expensive is they have to pay the carriers that own the infrastructure and factor in the exchange rates for international currency.

If I were to go overseas, I'd go without data and use my phone for voice only.
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34764170

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Re: Cheaper international roaming

I can't help but laugh at everything you post. You kill me.

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Did you ever ask yourself why T mobile, which has networks in several European countries, charges on their own networks as much as ATT does ; and why the EU commission had to mandate lower roaming rates within the EU treaty countries?

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Verizon offers a fairly inexpensive data plan for traveling internationally - I would pick that and use imessage / facebook and not call anyone. =)
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