 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | Where's the comparison quote: By comparison, Verizon is spending some $23 billion on their FTTH FiOS deployments.
AT&T is just spending $1.4B MORE, not total. I wonder how much AT&T is spending total to deploy U-Verse. | |
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 |  | | Re: Where's the comparison said by ColorBASIC: I wonder how much AT&T is spending total to deploy U-Verse. well according to the article they are spending $6.5B, so a little less than 1/3 what Verizon is spending. In the end they will probably wish they had just finished the job and gone all the way to the curb... | |
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 |  |  telcolackey5The Truth? You can't handle the truth join:2007-04-06 Death Valley, CA 2 edits | Re: Where's the comparison Verizon has spent 20 Biilllion dollars (pinky raised to mouth) for less than 7 million homes past (not customers)...
They have plans to get to 18M homes past. That additional spending is incremental on top of 20B.
Lot-o-$$ from those stock holders. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Where's the comparison said by telcolackey5:Verizon has spent 20 Biilllion dollars (pinky raised to mouth) for less than 7 million homes past (not customers)... They have plans to get to 18M homes past. That additional spending is incremental on top of 20B. Lot-o-$$ from those stock holders. Where exactly do you see this 20 B already spent? No where do I see already spent. 20B is for the entire rollout. | |
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 |  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| The difference is Verizon is spending their money wisely to invest long-term and in a future proof solution.
While at&t is IMHO wasting a lot of this money on a stop-gap measure that probably in the near future won't measure up to Cable and the likes of Verizon (and others) (If it even measures up now!) and in the end at&t will have to spend even more money to go back and finish the job. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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 |  |  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA | The $6.5B is only through the end of next year. Certainly they will be deploying long past that. | |
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 | | Southeast states The article also says that AT&T will soon announce build plans for the Southeast (the former BellSouth territory)which will take it to MORE than 19 million homes by end of next year.
I see this as AT&T gaining more confidence in the U-verse service...and spending more as a result. | |
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 |  MizzatWill post for thumbsPremium join:2003-05-03 Atlanta, GA kudos:1 | Re: Southeast states Just wish I could read the whole article.  -- What has two thumbs and likes to help? | |
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 |  |  |  cwh join:2006-05-14 San Antonio, TX | Re: Southeast states said by Enlightener:www.bugmenot.com ( unfortunatly the site is blocked...) bugmenot only works with content sites that are free with signup and the WSJ not fall into this category. | |
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 |  |  |  MizzatWill post for thumbsPremium join:2003-05-03 Atlanta, GA kudos:1 | yea, I checked there, but it won't give logins for pay sites. -- What has two thumbs and likes to help? | |
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 |  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by guardfrog:The article also says that AT&T will soon announce build plans for the Southeast (the former BellSouth territory)which will take it to MORE than 19 million homes by end of next year. If at&t had a hair they would blitz Connecticut, the only at&t area in the heart of FiOS country.
Do you think they are afraid? | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Southeast states said by batterup:said by guardfrog:The article also says that AT&T will soon announce build plans for the Southeast (the former BellSouth territory)which will take it to MORE than 19 million homes by end of next year. If at&t had a hair they would blitz Connecticut, the only at&t area in the heart of FiOS country. Actually, that would be Southern California....
An employee friend of mine got u-verse this past week in SoCal.
Took 2 days and about 15 hours to set it up, with 4 techs and a manager, and many a call to tier 2 support...
End result, has been losing sync on his 2wire modem, can't unlock parental controls, all 5 of his set top boxes go black when a show is recording, setting up recordings online isn't working, and on and on.
A real winner... -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS Yes to the Fair Tax | |
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 |  |  |  jamez818please hold during the silence join:2000-09-18 Sunland, CA | Re: Southeast states Sounds like the Telco/Cable war has begun. -- just whiners and complainers... | |
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 |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Heh! I see you've moved over to TW.... how are they working out? Also, were you in a former Comcast area, or TW area?
My DirecTv bill has been creeping up over the past year (2x $3/month hikes, and my service costs less than what a new customer would pay, but increases are increases.
Eventually, if they go high enough, I'll either go IPTV or TW.
I personally don't care about HD, as I don't have any HD TV's -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  MizzatWill post for thumbsPremium join:2003-05-03 Atlanta, GA kudos:1 Reviews:
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| I can barley record two HD channles on cable right now. The studder and packet loss is almost unbearable. I have to either watch a regular show while on in HD is recording or let the HD channel record and leave the room (and check DSL reports!). They are working on a way to record multiple HD channels at once. -- What has two thumbs and likes to help? | |
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 en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Ummm... they need to actually deploy it... not just post it. quote: he company has launched U-Verse in 18 major markets (most recently the Los Angeles area).
at&t's uverse still doesn't show as available here in Santa Clarita, even though its one of their markets... and I even put in an address right beside a VRAD. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  jamez818please hold during the silence join:2000-09-18 Sunland, CA | Re: Ummm... they need to actually deploy it... not just post it. Have several friends in Santa Clarita that already have it. One lives off Arroyo Parkway on Salceda i believe and the others live in Saugus off Seco so it is available. I haven't heard any complaints so far. -- just whiners and complainers... | |
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 axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | what's another billion Hey, good to hear those $2 mystery charges are going to good use. Maybe they can ask the government for some tax breaks, then not share the subsidised network. Worked for Verizon! | |
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 |  Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL | Re: what's another billion Don't be silly. They'll invent another fee to cover the extra $1 billion.  | |
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 |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: what's another billion Its times like this I think about getting an HD antenna for my house, and scrapping cable/satellite/iptv altogether. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| Letsssss get ready to rumble!! In the Blue corner we have Kid at&t. He is so tough he cannibalized his own mother. In the Red Corner we have Fast-as-Light Verizon. He too has been known to cannibalize a once mighty MCI when they became weak and soft.
Once they were loving siblings of Ma Bell now they are fighting for the crown of undisputed heavy weight champion of information.
This is a fight on the streets and in the allies of Los Angeles, no holds barred. Weapons of choice, for at&t, an old well tested hunk of metal, copper. Verizon's weapon glass, lighter and quicker but it cost Fast-as a bundle.
Two siblings enter, one will leave.
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 |  cwh join:2006-05-14 San Antonio, TX | Re: Letsssss get ready to rumble!! The only problem with argument is they are boxing in different rings and those rings will rarely meet. | |
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| Re: Letsssss get ready to rumble!! said by cwh:The only problem with argument is they are boxing in different rings and those rings will rarely meet. True it is more like competing movies opening on the same weekend but then I couldn't do my WWE build up. | |
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 alchav join:2002-05-17 Palm Desert, CA | I want to hear from some U-Verse Customers!
Everybody talks about the money both Verizon and AT&T are spending, but I have not heard from any U-Verse Customers. Can they deliver acceptable TV Service? People say AT&T can deliver one HDTV Channel at a time, so if someone has more than one HDTV, or wants to record a different channel than they are watching, it can't be done. If they can barely deliver Phone, High Speed, and TV right now with their FTTN. What will happen in the near future? I say Verizon FiOS, with their FTTH is the clear winner, and AT&T better wake up. | |
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 RickPremium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT | Sorry but.... as I've been saying for a year now, I just don't think this service is going to make it.
And, AT&T is and was making a BIG mistake in pursuing this, and now spending a billion + more dollars on it.
Let me ask you this. How much money do you spend on an old car before you finally realize that when you add it all up, you should have just bought a new one instead?
I see Uverse as being like that. EXCEPT, when you finish spending it, you still just don't have anything even remotely close to what you could have had.
And, apparently a whole lot of people are now agreeing with me. It is hard to believe that they now pass 2.8 MILLION Homes, and only 20,000 people have signed up for the service. If their goal is to pass 18 million homes, what will that leave them at that rate? 150,000 customers in the WHOLE country in the areas they serve?
What kind of a disaster is that waiting to happen?
My number one and two reasons for feeling the way I have is because of the last two addresses I lived at, prior to this one. Neither was rural, both very residential..and at neither one could I even get the lowest level of DSL service. Never mind anything else. At the last one, even the pots service I had left a lot to be desired. This just suggests to me that the copper in the ground simply at times isn't even sufficient for these low level things like pots and low tier DSL. But NOW it's suddenly supposed to all be ok for HDTV..Voice..and HSI all in one?
Call me a skeptic, but I just don't believe it. Not on a widespread, large scale anyway.
Even just LOOKING at the wire they use and comparing it to the cable and fios networks suggests that it's flimsy for this kind of thing, and simply not enough.
We're all hopefully taught early on that when you want to power something with an extension cord, you buy and use a good solid, thick cord. Do you think that all these services coming over an old copper phone wire constitutes that? Not me.
I think it constitutes a company that realizes they're really far behind and is going to do anything to get something out there in the market.
Let me ask you this. We've all seen all the forums now around BBR. OOL..comcast with powerboost..COX 15MB service. If AT&T showed up on YOUR doorstep and told you they could give you what essentially amounts to ONE THIRD the speeds we ALREADY get..and THAT is AT&T's NEXT generation service..
would you be buying it?
I didn't think so.
And, that's why only 20,000 people have so far.
Out of 2.8 Million homes that could.
WOW. Is this perhaps the BIGGEST telco blunder you've EVER seen in your life in the making? I think so.
In closing, let me reiterate again. I'm not anti AT&T. Not anti Telco. And certainly not a paid cable fanboy. I'm a consumer, who lives in Comcast and AT&T land. Comcast took over my old cable company, and has since raised prices quite a bit. In fact, the highest tier of tv service now seems to be over 30.00 per month HIGHER than Adelphia charged. Cable companies have no fear to raise prices. And comcast and probably TW are doing it at will as they acquire these smaller rivals.
For us, the ONLY one who can fight the fight against them, is AT&T. Our areas need this competition. But, if that competition is going to have comcast laughing at them..there will be no price reductions. Because they don't fear AT&T and what they have to offer. It's really as simple as that.
On the other hand, look at Verizon and their fios service. That is feared by the cable co's. That is real competition.
And choice, for consumers.
While I'm sure what I have written has gone unheeded by AT&T, even though for a year or more I've been saying..i told you so..perhaps only 20,000 people signing up won't go unheeded by them.
Perhaps now they get to be the laughing stock of the telco and cable world.
And hopefully in doing so, they quickly reverse course.
FTTH..is the only answer AT&T.
You need to do it..now. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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You think this U-Verse build out is the reason AT&T's CEO for the last 17 yrs sold $80 million of AT&T stock over the last 12 months and then abruptly announced his retirement 30 days ago? Is it coincidence that he retires at the same time the fiber to the curb starts getting implemented? Just to be safe, I dumped my AT&T stock last week. Whitacres $170 million retirement package didnt help to inspire confidence either. | |
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