  IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
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kudos:1 | About time... About time... It's still way behind Verizon's LTE rollout, but it's nice to know that someone in AT&T management is awake and stopped eating leftover FCC cupcakes for a bit.
That 4 Billion that disappeared in the T-Mobile merger debacle would have likely been useful for an LTE rollout...
I'm sure they'll figure out another way to raise it back... I know... Require that unlimited text/mobile plan... It's an easy 20 bucks per customer per month!
Go Deathstar Go! 
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... said by IPPlanMan:That 4 Billion that disappeared in the T-Mobile merger debacle It's not $4B in cash. It's amazing how much this inaccuracy is repeated. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... I don't believe that I'm wrong on this.... Check source:
»dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/···-mobile/
"AT&T will pay Deutsche Telekom $4 billion in cash and wireless spectrum access as a break-up fee under the terms of the merger announced in March. After taxes, however, the financial hit to AT&T will be only about $1.5 billion, or roughly two months’ worth of cash flow. The two companies will now begin a seven-year roaming agreement that will expand T-Mobile’s national coverage."
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... said by IPPlanMan:I don't believe that I'm wrong on this.... Check source:
»dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/···-mobile/
"AT&T will pay Deutsche Telekom $4 billion in cash and wireless spectrum access as a break-up fee under the terms of the merger announced in March. After taxes, however, the financial hit to AT&T will be only about $1.5 billion, or roughly two months’ worth of cash flow. The two companies will now begin a seven-year roaming agreement that will expand T-Mobile’s national coverage."
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... It's 3 Billion in cash and 1 Billion in spectrum at market rates if you want to separate it out that way instead.
All I know is that it's a lot of cash/money/spectrum wasted for a boneheaded merger idea that had no chance of being done in the tone-deaf manner in which it was handled. Has the management of AT&T ever been to DC?
I'm not talking about the Government Relations people which have and are currently here, but this merger order came from on high from a drone at management... and management drones told the lobbyists/government relations people in DC to go out and spend Billions of dollars they were given to get it done, without management seeming to give a damn whether it was actually feasible to get done.
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army | |
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... said by IPPlanMan:It's 3 Billion in cash and 1 Billion in spectrum at market rates if you want to separate it out that way instead. I do since that leaves an extra $1B to spend, which was part of your concern when you started the thread. | |
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1 edit | Re: About time... I'm more interested in your opinion... let's hear it.
What's more important... the cash or the spectrum?
Furthermore, why is losing 1 Billion of spectrum not synonymous in your mind with a cost of the merger failure? | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... said by IPPlanMan:What's more important... the cash or the spectrum? Cash.said by IPPlanMan:Furthermore, why is losing 1 Billion of spectrum not synonymous in your mind with a cost of the merger failure? Did I suggest that the merger wasn't a failure? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... Why cash?
It's not clear what you're suggesting at all actually. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... Because it can be used for just about every avenue of a business. "Quality" spectrum is important, but the argument is made every time that this topic comes up that AT&T is squatting on plenty of unused spectrum.
No reason to read more into my posts than written. I'm only suggesting that AT&T isn't writing a $4B check to Deutsche Telekom. It's less than that. Most articles around the net, including here, continue perpetuating the misinformation that AT&T is paying Deutsch Telekom $4B. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... You can only buy spectrum if it's for sale... right? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... You can only "buy" anything if it's for sale. Spectrum can be allocated through other means, but yes, usually a license is paid for.
Your point? | |
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| | | | | | | | said by openbox9:said by IPPlanMan:It's 3 Billion in cash and 1 Billion in spectrum at market rates if you want to separate it out that way instead. I do since that leaves an extra $1B to spend, which was part of your concern when you started the thread. $3 Billion + $1 Billion = $4Billion.
Where's the extra Billion? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... Perhaps he's saying there's an extra billion of cash because they didn't have to pay it out in cash form?
Not sure. | |
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kudos:2 | said by Goldman:Where's the extra Billion? Cash. Spectrum only holds value when buying/selling for accounting purposes. Cash, and the ability to raise capital, is what matters when spending money. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... Spectrum is an asset. It was 1 Billion worth at market rates... Please explain. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... What's to explain? The license to use spectrum is an asset. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: About time... Yes. What am i missing? | |
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join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL | AT&T did a lot of catch up on the back end of their infrastructure. They will be able to deploy LTE at a faster pace in 2012 due to this back end work. They can invest a lot more on spectrum now, granted, but they still have a better HSPA+ network than what they had a year ago. Due to LTE being a GSM based tech, they have much less work to do in their HSPA+ areas to get LTE running compared to Verizon which has had to basically reengineer their networks for LTE based on GSM principles rather than CDMA.
The problem AT&T faces is they are now behind Verizon due to the CableCo Spectrum deal in the spectrum race. They need a solution to catch up. That's why there is speculation of other deals that could be made for AT&T to gain spectrum. Otherwise, AT&T has to wait until they get more spectrum freed up and the FCC auctions more spectrum. We need more creative solutions that have industry, government, and consumer advocates working together. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: About time... How is it that AT&T let the CableCo Spectrum deal go to Verizon? Too busy with its eyes on the T-Mobile Prize? | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: VZW is the best I've seen 15-20/3 on T-Mobile with latency comparable to what you're seeing on VZW. Which wouldn't be an amazing thing, except it's on a $40 grandfathered plan with 5GB and throttling after that, no contract. Too bad I'm on GPRS back in central TX for the moment... | |
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So I will stick with vzw and their lackluster outages... | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: VZW is the best Ya. My Chromebook has VZW 3G and it works well. Wish I had a VZW LTE aircard or hotspot but I don't want to sign a contract and $50 per month for 5GB, plus $$$ for overages, isn't what I need right now. | |
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| | | You best do search on forums with people posting 25/10 on ATT LTE. ATT LTE is just as comparable. | |
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Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Re: VZW is the best Comparable?
How many people are on AT&T's LTE network again? Considering AT&T's LTE is only in 26 cities vs. about 200 cities for Verizon LTE, that's important to keep in mind. | |
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kudos:1 | Karl Doesn't Disappoint Always a Verizon jab to stick in almost every article. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Karl Doesn't Disappoint I think it's a fair jab. Verizon did have several outages in a short period of time. | |
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Dallas, TX | Thou Shalt not question editorializations presented as news by Karl Bode. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Karl Doesn't Disappoint Is that one of the commandments set forth in the religion of Kopimism? | |
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Thou Shalt not believe what 'known' covert AT&T employees say about anything.
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| Re: Karl Doesn't Disappoint said by etaadmin:said by Corona:Thou Shalt not question editorializations presented as news by Karl Bode.
Thou Shalt not believe what 'known' covert AT&T employees say about anything. I guess he will except I don't pretend to report my opinions as news.
As far as being a 'known covert', I'm not here to represent the views of my employer (whoever that may be) and like thousands of others, post here representing only my own personal views.
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kudos:1 | Re: No Seattle I don't find it shocking at all.
AT&T either lacks the money, engineering capability, or perhaps both that Verizon used for its LTE expansion.... about 200 cities... in about a year.
AT&T halfassed its LTE rollout because it felt entitled... that's right, I said entitled... to the assets of T-Mobile come hell, high water, or cupcakes.
It also felt that its customers would believe the fauxG is 4G... They can't see the little LTE under there!
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army | |
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| | | Since T-Mobile (US) is based in Bellevue, WA, LTE rollout was going to be on hold pending their merger. Now that the merger is dunzo AT&T will likely rollout LTE in the Seattle area sooner. | |
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| | 2 bad you will still have outages for verizon 2 bad you still have outages for verizon and IM sure ATT wont have major outages like verizon keeps having each month lol lol..... | |
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Memphis, TN | Memphis Maybe they will have LTE deployed in Memphis before the iPhone LTE comes out...
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