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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA | Re: Have to dump redundant Bell South IS & Marketing types Less.....it's the new more.
but when the bill comes it's
MORE, the new cheaper (the higher $ figure confuses some people  ) | |
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Annonamoose
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join:2001-11-10
The Sandbar
| said by TK Junk Mail  :All mergers result in loss of mgt staff in the support departments like IS, Marketing, Accounting, Legal, etc. That is partly how they justify these mergers to Wall St - more efficient operations with lower overhead. Well, with me being one of their newly displaced managers, it's still a kick in the balls no matter what way you cut it... 
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: Have to dump redundant Bell South IS & Marketing types Sorry to hear AT$T decided to cut your job. Hope everything works out for you and your family. | |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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| said by Annonamoose :said by TK Junk Mail :All mergers result in loss of mgt staff in the support departments like IS, Marketing, Accounting, Legal, etc. That is partly how they justify these mergers to Wall St - more efficient operations with lower overhead. Well, with me being one of their newly displaced managers, it's still a kick in the balls no matter what way you cut it... Hope everything works out for you; BellSouth should've stayed on its own.
When FIOS is completed at VZ, I really hate to see the carnage among non-FIOS techs.
AT&T's Union is bracing for contract negotiations: "CWA locals representing members at AT&T across the union kicked off the "one year to a new contract" mobilization with leafleting and workplace actions across the districts in advance of 2009 negotiations. AT&T Mobility members also joined in, to show support for a united CWA at AT&T and to gear up for the AT&T Mobility Orange negotiations; that contract expires in February 2009." »www.cwa-union.org/news/at-t-memb···ion.html
AT&T didn't announce this is if they aren't going after the Union next year.
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Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| said by Annonamoose :Well, with me being one of their newly displaced managers, it's still a kick in the balls no matter what way you cut it... Take a look here »www.usajobs.gov/ you can look for openings by region, job type, etc. All of the necessary forms are on line and you can submit it on line. If you are a Veteran that gives you a big leg up. Good luck!
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH | Sounds to me like the only thing this will bring about is more sales people, more adverts, and ATT making a bigger attempt to cram it's services down everyone's throats. :/
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join:2005-12-31
Raleigh, NC
| said by TK Junk Mail :All mergers result in loss of mgt staff in the support departments like IS, Marketing, Accounting, Legal, etc. But the layoff due to "synergies" of the merger was announced earlier. This new layoff is separate. | |
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pandora
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join:2001-06-01
Outland
|  Is AT&T is milking POTS users?
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN | Re: Is AT&T is milking POTS users? Well.. Its worked so far no? | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Yes. America, home of $10/mo Caller ID. Remember a prepaid cellphone can be cheaper than $10/mo based on usage. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Re: Is AT&T is milking POTS users? Barely, since they set a minimum charge of 1 dollar per each day you use the phone. So one call a day, that may be 30-60 minutes a month of calling will at minimum cost you 30 bucks. It was was actually per minute that same amount of calling would cost only 7.50-15 a month at 25 cents a minute. So prepaid doesn't work for anything but 100% emergency usage. | |
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join:2005-12-31
Raleigh, NC
| Re: Is AT&T is milking POTS users? Great web page. I used that one recently in deciding to get my daughter set up with AirVoice. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
| Just because you have a Copper Line doesn't mean you have "Plain Old Telephone Service." What AT&T is doing, is squeezing everything it can from it's Copper Infrastructure. I think this was a bad decision on AT&T's part. FTTH is the way of the Future! | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| Re: Is AT&T is milking POTS users? said by tc1uscg :Yep.. you would think someone would have been paying attention when Sprints ION died before it left the ground. No, they DID see it through. Yes, they had turned up a few customers. Yes, it was installed nationwide in over 200 major pop's. What was Sprint ION?
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| goes without saying you want to prop the bottom line... fire workers..
then you hire them back at the entry level salaries.. saves the company a bunch of money upfront.. although it's debatable whether it actually saves the company money in the long run.. in terms of LOST customers/prospects because the new people don't know the job quite yet..
although you really wouldn't know it.. that's how corporate america does business, they constantly roll over on employees just so that they can avoid career long hires whom would be entitled to retirement benefits, healthcare benefits, etc, etc... those obligations are cut short and the employees are forced into state welfare programs short term.. the same things done to illegal aliens.. although by the time the american worker is forced to see if they qualify.. they don't... since they illegal alien's work is off the books, they can lie to qualify. | |
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ
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| Re: goes without saying Except that they are not hiring them back, they are hiring contracting houses (who are hiring sub-contracting houses, who are in turn hiring more sub-contracting houses... you get the point) who hire the former employees and take away a large percentage of the contract. In the end, the former employees have a lower quality job, no health care, no retirement plans, no rights, endless hours, no training, no outlook, nor any career planning, mistreatment by other full time employees (red badge vs. blue badge = like a concentration camp), and at the end get kicked out with no notice because they are simply disposable. | |
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join:2005-12-31
Raleigh, NC
| Re: goes without saying said by verolom :In the end, the former employees have a lower quality job, no health care, no retirement plans, no rights, endless hours, no training, no outlook, nor any career planning, mistreatment by other full time employees (red badge vs. blue badge = like a concentration camp), and at the end get kicked out with no notice because they are simply disposable. I haven't been through this personally, but I've seen it happen to my colleagues. | |
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@rr.com | Re: goes without saying Most of the people leaving in our area are in their mid fifties but have their 30 years in. They are also the most respected and tired competing against the con artists that don't care how they make the crazy numbers. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | And we wonder why a few people snap and come back with a bunch of guns and ammo.... | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| said by tmc8080 :although by the time the american worker is forced to see if they qualify.. they don't... since they illegal alien's work is off the books, they can lie to qualify. Plus, the political systems are racist, pro-illegal type systems.
There's all sorts of other incentives, like if you're an illegal Mexican in USA, the IRS allows you to get ITIN #s for yourself and your mother and father, and even if the IRS knows your mother and father live in Mexico, you can send money to them in Mexico, then because you send money to them, you can claim them as dependents, and get enormous standard tax deductions as a result: IRS (USA tax) incentives to send money to Mexico, out of this country.
There's a million anti-USA anti-white pro-brown programs like that, and since most competitive advantages work on incremental margins, these big whoppers of income redistribution and non-merit-based preferential treatment multiply up super fast.
Then, there's policies such as when the farming industry was pushing to mechanize the full labor system to become machines (including all field picking, sorting, etc.), then the "communist" movement in California including lots of "Mexican" labor had some negotiations with farm business, and the result was that labor would be spared: they kept the farm labor rather than mechanizing. In other words, rather than reducing inefficiency, reducing cost to USA people (whites), increasing quality (less germs, etc.), and increasing the employment of USA citizens (educated people that create complex farm machinery), they instead kept the illegal alien labor. Perhaps they did this to futher the lie that "illegals come here to do work that is necessary that we won't do".
Anyway, these actions paired with the corporate raiding strategy of selling out the USA and its citizens hurts us a lot.
Tax policies suck too: when you have equipment and inventory being taxed, what happens? Equipment, and to a lesser extend, inventories, represent latent capabilities, foundations upon which you can bank on the future, keep your capabilities despite any type of fluctuations in the outside conditions, etc.. With taxation of those assetts, you are penalized for keeping it, for not selling it, and when you sell equipment, where does it end up? China. Now, we don't have it, and they do. That's not 100% motivated by taxation policies, but it damn well is encouraged by it. It causes all sorts of evil.
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| Why would you want to work for them? After all the huge layoffs since the 80's and beyond who the heck would want to work for them. Here is your new job... and oh by the way we will fire you in 5 years or less. Ump Dat. They don't care about the people that work for them. Period.
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DivineDark
join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Re: Why would you want to work for them? Working for the deathstar is like when walmart comes to a small town and becomes the only employer. Sometimes its your only choice given the pay and level of education. | |
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| Re: Why would you want to work for them? "Sometimes its your only choice given the pay and level of education."
Surely your not implying that most at&t workers are uneducated? I believe at&t hires more people with degrees in engineering, accounting, business then any other US company. And is not a high school diploma and a english/math competency exam required? Combine this with a physical, drug screen, and several mandatory new hire training classes it sure seems like more then would be needed to get into walmarts or a car factory..etc. | |
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join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Re: Why would you want to work for them? You would be surprised. | |
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texans20
TaxHikeMike dot org
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join:2002-09-28
Texas!
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| Makes Sense More and more people are dropping their landline phones, or switching over to VoIP solutions that offer the same product AT&T has offered for damn near 100 years at a cheaper rate. I expect to see AT&T's landline operations continue to shrink yet their wireless and broadband services should grow. Now, if only they would look to the future instead of looking to next quarter, they would be set. Verizon sees the big picture with FIOS, AT&T just wants to please investors. I believe this will hurt AT&T in the next ten years as they will be one step behind Verizon's superior offerings.
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | :( I know I'm part of that lay off boooo | |
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join:2007-03-03
1001EB | Awwwwww, going to have to pay for an internet connection now?
I can only bet that sucks, but then again with at&t monitoring everything I am surprised they didn't fire you sooner. | |
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join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC
| Crock of BS They know a layoff of a large amount of folks especially after a monopolistic type merger were our govt. just gave a wink and a nod will cause some furor. Specially in an election year. This is just spinmeisters krap. No one a year from now is going to say ... hey AT&T you never hired anyone here in the U.S. after this? But by golly your overseas employment sure has grown by yet another 20%! | |
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koam
Pink Pecker
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join:2000-08-16
Pink Bird FL
clubs: | no retain is the wrong word to use if they are laying off and replacing. it is the opposite of the correct description. | |
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@insightbb.com
| I saw it coming I left ATT last fall. I saw all of this coming and believe me it is not over. I worked in wireless for 12 years and loved it until the ATT take over. ATT is a horribly run company and treats both it's customers and employees awful. They made it impossible to help a customer with anything and did not provide adequate customer service that could help them either. All of their cost saving cuts in customer facing employees and customer care is already biting them in the butt. They are making this look like they will be expanding wireless headcount, but I have heard from those still there it is being cut also. | |
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join:2001-07-09
Berkeley, CA | AT&T Layoffs Yea, only the ones that actually pull thier weight! | |
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AT&T Layoffs Intended to Grow Broadband Biz
Have to dump redundant Bell South IS & Marketing types
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